Bring canada to it's knees.

[PIK]

http://news.yahoo.com/angry-canadian-aboriginals-divided-ahead-harper-meeting-165810107.html

So what do we do, bring in the army and end it once and for all. How do you deal with idiots that get invited to a meeting with the PM,which they screamed about and then block the doors and do not let anybody in. And in the citizen it said they then started to pound on the doors,demanding to be let in, when they were all invited there in the 1st place. These people better get thier act together, before they demand meetings or was it a case of harper calling thier bluff? If these people want to be taken seriously, then they need to get rid of the radicals that are only in it for a fight.

Edited January 14, 2013 by PIK

[Political Smash]

If Canadian tax payers do not want to become slaves to the First Nations I suppose that they will keep trying to shut things down etc. until something is done about it. That appears to be the direction this is going ... What's it going to be next time, tax payers give them free blow jobs or they are going to try and shut down the country? Or perhaps it's going to be that they get to live in anyone's house that they want whenever they want or they will try and shut down the country ...

Give up land claims and pay taxes for governing services or go live on your reserve and chief yourselves.

love

David Jeffrey Spetch

Ps. Be good, be strong!

Edited January 14, 2013 by Political Smash

[Michael Hardner]

http://news.yahoo.co...-165810107.html

So what do we do, bring in the army and end it once and for all. How do you deal with idiots that get invited to a meeting with the PM,which they screamed about and then block the doors and do not let anybody in. And in the citizen it said they then started to pound on the doors,demanding to be let in, when they were all invited there in the 1st place. These people better get thier act together, before they demand meetings or was it a case of harper calling thier bluff? If these people want to be taken seriously, then they need to get rid of the radicals that are only in it for a fight.

They're not aligned with their leadership, clearly.

[DogOnPorch]

They're not aligned with their leadership, clearly.

And as Lenin sat there after his stroke, who was the leader? Why Lenin, of course!

[Boges]

I want to see them try to shut down the 16-lane portion of the 401. I don't take that route to work so it would purely be for entertainment value.

[Michael Hardner]

I want to see them try to shut down the 16-lane portion of the 401. I don't take that route to work so it would purely be for entertainment value.

So you are looking forward to a confrontation, involving police ? I would see that as a giant mess and a failure myself.

[Boges]

Well if they're going to do it, Go Big or Go Home right?

Most Canadian have no idea why they're pissed, They just need to go to work everyday to pay their bills.

Heck, I don't even know why they're pissed, something about treaties with Crown and wanting a say on natural resources on "their" land.

Edited January 14, 2013 by Boges

[Michael Hardner]

Well if they're going to do it, Go Big or Go Home right?

Most Canadian have no idea why they're pissed, They just need to go to work everyday to pay their bills.

Heck, I don't even know why they're pissed, something about treaties with Crown and wanting a say on natural resources on "their" land.

I think you're right. Your eagerness to see countless people inconvenienced or worse, though, strikes me as a knee-jerk reaction.

[Boges]

Well honestly I don't know why the Natives are doing this whole #IdleNoMore thing in the first place. I think they should be happy with what they have. So know I don't want to see a confrontation.

But if they're going to try and take their message mainstream, Only something like blocking the 401 in Toronto at Rush hour will get people's attention.

[bush_cheney2004]

Your eagerness to see countless people inconvenienced ......

Interesting choice of word....it somewhat trivializes the entire conflict right back to the status quo.

[GostHacked]

Interesting choice of word....it somewhat trivializes the entire conflict right back to the status quo.

Maybe they can hook up with the Tea Party and some of the #Occupy *.* movements.

[Big Guy]

So far, the role of the OPP at these protests has rightly been to “keep the peace”. They already know the intentions of the protestors but not the intentions of those who oppose the protest. For this reason that are accused (maybe rightly so) for being supportive of the protest when they appear to move the opposition to the protest. That is what it appears to be. The rhetoric from the militant natives (… bring Canada to its knees) serves only to ratchet up the emotions and the potential for a violent physical response to incendiary native rhetoric.

This is not good news. There are still those rural bubba’s in pick-up trucks with rifles mounted in the cabs and a case of beer under the seat. I live in the area of Caledonia and am surprised that physical violence has been limited to assault and battery. As the militancy of the militant natives escalates so does the potential for violent response from those in the local community. I think it is only a matter of time before there is a tragedy in Caledonia.

[Moonbox]

I think any violence on the First Nations' part will be met with in kind, and not by the military or police. If anything, it would take the police to keep the First Nations safe, and they know this. If there is violence, it will be the odd fringe yahoo, just like it is in any other culture or group, but certainly not matching a frothing jihadist.

[Michael Hardner]

Interesting choice of word....it somewhat trivializes the entire conflict right back to the status quo.

I was pulling back on my words so as to not accuse Boges of wanting ... what would naturally result from such actions ... social strife and escalating tension.

[Canuckistani]

I think any violence on the First Nations' part will be met with in kind, and not by the military or police. If anything, it would take the police to keep the First Nations safe, and they know this. If there is violence, it will be the odd fringe yahoo, just like it is in any other culture or group, but certainly not matching a frothing jihadist.

It will not take the police to keep the FN's safe, since any violence on 2nd Nations part would be very small, and met by greater violence on the part of the FN's. I certainly hope 2nd Nations people don't take matters into their own hands, but put pressure on their politicians to have the police (military if necessary) to deal with any FN violence. I hope INM does stir things up to the point where 2nd Nations people finally wake up to protecting their own interests.

[Accountability Now]

Well honestly I don't know why the Natives are doing this whole #IdleNoMore thing in the first place. I think they should be happy with what they have. So know I don't want to see a confrontation.

But if they're going to try and take their message mainstream, Only something like blocking the 401 in Toronto at Rush hour will get people's attention.

They are mad about the new bill c45 that will require the Cheifs to be transparent and show how much they make in salaries. Ultimately the Cheifs are the ones upset about this bill because they have so much to lose and they are willing to drag their people down for it. The true protest should not be in Ottawa but back on the reserves! They need to get rid of these Cheif and NOW!

So many times in the last few weeks I have heard that "this is their land" and "we are violating the treaties". As such I spent a few days to actually read the treaties. If regular Canadians read these treaties, we'd be the ones protesting! In the them it clearly states that the natives are to give up the land and the rights to the land FOREVER and in return will be compensated with $5 per year. Have they not been compensated already? Do they not get billions of dollars every year? Also in most treaties it says they are not allowed to disrupt any activities or interests of settlers or the government....yet the roads are being blocked? Oh...lets's not even go into the part where the treaties say that "Natives are not allowed to have alcohol".....that would just be rude.

Long story short....Canada has been doing this too long. We need to start a group of regular joe Canadians to show the federal government and the rest of the freeloaders that we are not going to take this. I'm not sure how this will happen but we need it to happen soon! If anyone knows of any existing group out there please let me know as I want in!

PS....if the First Nations get special priviledges because they were here first, then does that mean that I should get compensated by every new immigrant to Canada? Just curious?

Edited January 14, 2013 by Accountability Now

[Moonlight Graham]

Well honestly I don't know why the Natives are doing this whole #IdleNoMore thing in the first place. I think they should be happy with what they have.

Happy with poverty? Very low life expectancy? Very high incariration rates? Addiction/suicide problems? Getting ripped off in land claims etc.

I can see why they're PO'd but they should obey the law. I'm sure the gov/police will give them a bit of leeway in their protests as long as it doesn't physically hurt anyone or their property, wouldn't want to make the problems worse because things could really flare up if police are too rough.

[Accountability Now]

Bogues...can you enlighten me? How have the been ripped off in land titles? I'm not being sarcastic. I've read the treaties and they all clearly state that they give up all rights to their lands for the compensation. So what's the dispute?

[Smallc]

Happy with poverty? Very low life expectancy? Very high incariration rates? Addiction/suicide problems? Getting ripped off in land claims etc.

The government of Canada and 'settlers' can't be blamed for all of that though.

[Boges]

Bogues...can you enlighten me? How have the been ripped off in land titles? I'm not being sarcastic. I've read the treaties and they all clearly state that they give up all rights to their lands for the compensation. So what's the dispute?

You probably know more about this than I do. I'm not an expert on Indian affairs but I think the problems they do see are internal. Chief Spence's reserve seems to be well funded. I don't think throwing more taxpayer money will help.

[Accountability Now]

Unfortunately I don't know a lot about it. But from what I've read so far in the treaties, Indian Act and other legislation it seems very concrete that the Natives signed the land away a long time ago. I thought any disputes would be from what the feel is lack of compensation but not over the land itself. Not sure though

[DFCaper]

From what I have seen and hear in the news, it appears to me that these have been mostly respectful protests. They are informing the law enforcement agencies to notify them about their plans for the protests. I have always thought that it was a poor strategy to try and catch the police off guard. There is no better way to have the police harass you. Just as the red necks try to disrupt the INM protests are experiencing.

I may not fully support the protest, but I think they have a right to continue as they have been. I will wait till thing turn worst before passing judgment against the protesting activity. I am a strong supporter of people’s right to peacefully, and lawfully protest. Although, it has been a while since a protest has been successful at convincing me of anything.

[g_bambino]

From what I have seen and hear in the news, it appears to me that these have been mostly respectful protests. They are informing the law enforcement agencies to notify them about their plans for the protests.

I may not fully support the protest, but I think they have a right to continue as they have been. I will wait till thing turn worst before passing judgment against the protesting activity. I am a strong supporter of people’s right to peacefully, and lawfully protest.

These don't seem like promises to abide by the law, though:

Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation Chief Allan Adam said that while there are no plans to shut down Highway 63, the only all-weather road to Fort McMurray, on Wednesday, the government should expect a months-long summer blockade if it does not repeal or amend its recently passed omnibus budget bill that made changes to the Indian Act and the Navigable Waterways Act...

In Southern Ontario, Grand Chief Gordon Peters of the Association of Iroquois and Allied Indians warned that Wednesday’s planned disruption along Highway 401 near Windsor is just a taste of what could come if the Harper government does not acquiesce.

Idle No More activists warn peaceful protests could turn into months-long blockades this spring

This seems to be following on precedents (Six Nations of the Grand River in Caledonia, student groups in Quebec, the Occupy movement in many places) and becoming a larger trend of interest groups ignoring the democratic process and resorting instead to to illegal disruption and intimidation of parliament, government, and the wider public in order to get the particular results the relatively tiny assemblage approves of. That isn't protest, it's blackmail and subversion.

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Edited January 15, 2013 by g_bambino

[DFCaper]

These don't seem like promises to abide by the law, though:

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This seems to be following on precedents (Six Nations of the Grand River in Caledonia, student groups in Quebec, the Occupy movement in many places) and becoming a larger trend of interest groups ignoring the democratic process and resorting instead to to illegal disruption and intimidation of parliament, government, and the wider public in order to get the particular results the relatively tiny assemblage approves of. That isn't protest, it's blackmail and subversion.

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Promises are not actions. Plus, I bet these Chiefs are amoungst the ones complaining about AFN not representing them. They represent INM to me as much as Canadian people saying Harper does not represent them is to foreign governments.

I reaaly hope these protests don't follow the precedents of the previous protests you mentioned, though they worked to some extent with Quebec and Queens park. Occupy, had in my mind little to no positive effects at any level.

[g_bambino]

Promises are not actions.

Well, actually they are. I think you mean the promise to do something is not the same as actually doing the something. Regardless, I said they don't seem like promises to abide by the law; protests in future may not be as respectful as those we've seen so far.

I reaaly hope these protests don't follow the precedents of the previous protests you mentioned, though they worked to some extent with Quebec and Queens park. Occupy, had in my mind little to no positive effects at any level.

The Six Nations' occupation of the Douglas Creek Estates was successful, as was (as you say) the student protests in Quebec. That is troubling enough (though there are some who say Occupy achieved some success).