Bring canada to it's knees.

[Boges]

Who here wouldn't feel like doing what this lady did if being blocked like that.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid868989705001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAybGjzqk~,6NfTc6c241GVQxOh-GBHNHu5Cuhlf-y9&bctid=2098845632001

I like the lady saying "You're going to kill someone, We might as well call you murderer right now."

Not if people quit jumping on the hood of my truck I won't.

Edited January 16, 2013 by Boges

[g_bambino]

Not if people quit jumping on the hood of my truck I won't.

Yea, I noticed they kept putting themselves in front of her truck. I'll never understand how it is so many protesters think they'll win people over by inconveniencing and/or hassling them.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yea, I noticed they kept putting themselves in front of her truck. I'll never understand how it is so many protesters think they'll win people over by inconveniencing and/or hassling them.

It's called civil disobedience...perhaps you have heard of Ghandi or King ?

[Rocky Road]

I think this Nepinak is a radical. This kind of thing should be strongly discouraged.

They are given way too much slack when it comes to tolerating their rhetoric.

[betsy]

They are mad about the new bill c45 that will require the Cheifs to be transparent and show how much they make in salaries. Ultimately the Cheifs are the ones upset about this bill because they have so much to lose and they are willing to drag their people down for it. The true protest should not be in Ottawa but back on the reserves! They need to get rid of these Cheif and NOW!

So many times in the last few weeks I have heard that "this is their land" and "we are violating the treaties". As such I spent a few days to actually read the treaties. If regular Canadians read these treaties, we'd be the ones protesting! In the them it clearly states that the natives are to give up the land and the rights to the land FOREVER and in return will be compensated with $5 per year. Have they not been compensated already? Do they not get billions of dollars every year? Also in most treaties it says they are not allowed to disrupt any activities or interests of settlers or the government....yet the roads are being blocked? Oh...lets's not even go into the part where the treaties say that "Natives are not allowed to have alcohol".....that would just be rude.

Long story short....Canada has been doing this too long. We need to start a group of regular joe Canadians to show the federal government and the rest of the freeloaders that we are not going to take this. I'm not sure how this will happen but we need it to happen soon! If anyone knows of any existing group out there please let me know as I want in!

PS....if the First Nations get special priviledges because they were here first, then does that mean that I should get compensated by every new immigrant to Canada? Just curious?

They're mad about everything. Now they're mad that chief Atleo went on sick leave - what more with the dieting Chief still on her fluid diet (which they say is an individual "dying."). If she wants to choose to die....she's supposed to have the right to die, right?

These protesters are a big joke - and we're letting them disrupt the economy (and well-being of all).

I want to know if ever the police will follow any court order to dismantle any protest....and if our provincial government(s) will simply shrug it off if the cops ignored the judges' orders (like they did the other time)! Voters should take note!

Edited January 17, 2013 by betsy

[Accountability Now]

I wouldn't necessarily put the police inaction in the same boat as Harpers government. They would be doing the same thing if the Liberals of NDP were in power. You are right though....we need to remember all of this come election time as our leaders need to represent the majority.

[scribblet]

They're mad about everything. Now they're mad that chief Atleo went on sick leave - what more with the dieting Chief still on her fluid diet (which they say is an individual "dying."). If she wants to choose to die....she's supposed to have the right to die, right?

These protesters are a big joke - and we're letting them disrupt the economy (and well-being of all).

I want to know if ever the police will follow any court order to dismantle any protest....and if our provincial government(s) will simply shrug it off if the cops ignored the judges' orders (like they did the other time)! Voters should take note!

They are not following court orders as a judge recently slammed the police for inaction on aboriginal blockades

'No person in Canada stands above or outside of the law,' Ontario judge says

Two senior police officers have allready thumbed their noses at us.

[blueblood]

They are not following court orders as a judge recently slammed the police for inaction on aboriginal blockades

'No person in Canada stands above or outside of the law,' Ontario judge says

Two senior police officers have allready thumbed their noses at us.

Two senior police officers know not to bring ipperwash part 2. Given how police officers get thrown under the bus when they take action, why would they roll the dice? The public has gotten what they wished for. Boo hoo

[Accountability Now]

I agree. It was a calculated risk and really what was the benefit as it was a no win situation. Arrest everyone and cause an international scene. However, if the blockades happen again then I think they have no choice but to step in.

[GostHacked]

So how widespread is this thing? Is it taking place in all provinces/territories of Canada or are they localized in a fashion?

[Accountability Now]

The blockades? I think there was one or two in every province ranging for 2 people per blockade to hundreds ( I think the Windsor one had that many)

That day was just the national day of action. It will be interesting to see what happens on the global day of action on the 28th

[GostHacked]

The blockades? I think there was one or two in every province ranging for 2 people per blockade to hundreds ( I think the Windsor one had that many)

That day was just the national day of action. It will be interesting to see what happens on the global day of action on the 28th

Global day of action on the 28th? January?

[Accountability Now]

That's only what I've heard

[Topaz]

None of this would probably be happening if Harper hadn't cancel the Kelowna Accord and as it has been said on some of the talk shows, it wouldn't have cost as much either. These people were make promises years ago as Treaties and no government can or should break them. How many of you would like to live as a First Nation people? In the Senate Committee Meetings, I heard the Chiefs say several times to the Senators, you keep making promises, for many years, but nothng ever gets done. There are many problems on both sides, and for once the country needs to know exactly what is going on within this government department. The FN isn't doing anything that non-native people haven't done.

[Canuckistani]

None of this would probably be happening if Harper hadn't cancel the Kelowna Accord and as it has been said on some of the talk shows, it wouldn't have cost as much either. These people were make promises years ago as Treaties and no government can or should break them. How many of you would like to live as a First Nation people?

The Kelowna accord might have kept the Natives quiet a bit longer by throwing more money at them. Wouldn't have actually resolved anything. My understanding is that bill C45 is the trigger for this protest - how would the Kelowna accord have prevented that?

As for living like the First Nations do, I'm not used to collectivist living, so probably wouldn't like it. But the people of the Osoyoos band certainly live a good life. The difference is that their chief has a you don't work you don't get money policy, and they've got off their asses and actually built a good economy. Also. I've worked with many people of Aboriginal heritage - they got paid the same wage as I did. Don't see what's wrong with that. I certainly wouldn't like to live in a godforsaken hole somewhere where there are no jobs, nothing to do. But then nobody is keeping them there, They're free to come to where the jobs are, and get one like everybody else, pay taxes like everybody else. The horror.

[Accountability Now]

None of this would probably be happening if Harper hadn't cancel the Kelowna Accord and as it has been said on some of the talk shows, it wouldn't have cost as much either. These people were make promises years ago as Treaties and no government can or should break them. How many of you would like to live as a First Nation people? In the Senate Committee Meetings, I heard the Chiefs say several times to the Senators, you keep making promises, for many years, but nothng ever gets done. There are many problems on both sides, and for once the country needs to know exactly what is going on within this government department. The FN isn't doing anything that non-native people haven't done.

Topaz...the only deal that this government should honor is the original treaties. Any alteration or 'accord' after that fact was done by persuasion of some sort whether it was liberal or conservative and we are going to continute having this flip flopping as long as governments switch hands. The original treaty deal that was made was a business deal in that it was objective. You give us the land and we give you some money and things you will need to get by. However because our government is so flaky and is open to such broad interpretation, we have found ourselves tied up in subjective arguements that no one will ever win.

Either go back to the orginal treaties or get rid of them all together.

Edited January 21, 2013 by Accountability Now

[GostHacked]

So is it a matter of them not being compensated properly or could it be a manner of the FNs not managing the money properly that they get from the government. ?? To many Chiefs not enough Indians??

[Rocky Road]

http://www.cbc.ca/doczone/8thfire/

Interesting program on Aboriginal issues by Wab Kinew.

[GostHacked]

http://www.cbc.ca/doczone/8thfire/

Interesting program on Aboriginal issues by Wab Kinew.

Looks like some stereotypes from the host as well about other people in Canada and how they view the native population.

Just some pickyness on terms... First Nations seems like an appropriate title. Indigenous ,, fitting in a way. Native, not anymore. I was born in Canada, so I am a native of Canada, however my lineage is not from indigenous or First Nations peoples.

[Accountability Now]

So is it a matter of them not being compensated properly or could it be a manner of the FNs not managing the money properly that they get from the government. ?? To many Chiefs not enough Indians??

I have been trying to learn that myself. I definitely think there is some mismagement in some bands but how many...i don't know.

I tend to be more objective when I look at disputes and I feel that we have had 140 years of subjectivity to blur things up. Put yourself back to when the treaties were signed. The British were coming from the East....the Yanks were invading from the South. There was two choices for the Natives....sign the treaties or risk being wiped out. Let's be honest.....if it would have gone the route of being 'wiped' out then we wouldn't ahve this problem today. Just ask the Newfies how their Native situation is doing since they wiped them out back in the day. Fortuneately (or unfortuantely) civilized minds prevailed and a deal was struck to allow for peaceful co-existance under the Crown. It was not peaceful coexistance as separate nations but as one.

But for some reason, the Native poplulation feels that they are soverign or that they deserve soverignty. Howeve objectively speaking they gave up soverignty in the treaties. Its seems very clear to me and I would truly love to have a rational, non-emotional conversation with a member of the First Nations who disagrees with me on this only so that I can try and understand the injustice that has been done. Obviously there are individual situat

[GostHacked]

I tend to be more objective when I look at disputes and I feel that we have had 140 years of subjectivity to blur things up. Put yourself back to when the treaties were signed.....

Sure, could also be the language that was used when writing up these treaties. It could have been worded in a way in which the Indians did not know exactly what they were signing. Making them believe they are getting a just deal.

But for some reason, the Native poplulation feels that they are soverign or that they deserve soverignty.

If they want autonomy, they need their own nation. If they want to keep on this path of relying on payouts, they need to fully integrate within modern society and become a part of the country in order to drive social change. Not a fan of how they are doing it now, but if all other measures have failed, then this kind of outcome will take place.

They also need to have some change from within. From that documentary 8th Fire, those who are successful have ditched the 'victim' mentality for the most part and have done what they could to not only survive but excel in modern society. The FNs in my view need to ditch the victim mentality and start to take things into their own hands, but not by the way they are currently going about it.

I am all for protesting, but I guess when all else fails then we see the blockades happening.

[Accountability Now]

Sure, could also be the language that was used when writing up these treaties. It could have been worded in a way in which the Indians did not know exactly what they were signing. Making them believe they are getting a just deal.

If you have time you should read the treaties. Being an educated person of the 21st century....they seem fairly simple and easy to understand. Having said that, you are probably right in assuming the Natives may not have understood what they were signing. But is that our fault? You can't come back now and say....OH by the way....we didn't actually know what you were saying there....so give us back all that land and resources that you have developed and we'll go our own way.

Remember....the Natives were in no real position to negotiate so whether they understood completely or not is somewhat irrelevant.

[GostHacked]

If you have time you should read the treaties. Being an educated person of the 21st century....they seem fairly simple and easy to understand. Having said that, you are probably right in assuming the Natives may not have understood what they were signing. But is that our fault? You can't come back now and say....OH by the way....we didn't actually know what you were saying there....so give us back all that land and resources that you have developed and we'll go our own way.

Remember....the Natives were in no real position to negotiate so whether they understood completely or not is somewhat irrelevant.

As a not so good example, do you read and understand everything that is in an End User License Agreement (EULA)when installing software on your computer? Do you know what you are agreeing to?

By that do our politicians read every bill that gets tabled? Does our government know and understand the agreement they are signing with other countries? Do they know what they are accepting?

And I am with you on the last bit that they really in the end had no choice, go along with the proposals or risk total elimination.

[Accountability Now]

As a not so good example, do you read and understand everything that is in an End User License Agreement (EULA)when installing software on your computer? Do you know what you are agreeing to?

I hear you on this one and the answer is no...i don't read them and I do sign them. I guess the difference is that I hold myself accountable when I do get screwed over on any deal where I haven't read over the terms. I may call them names but I still blame myself.

By that do our politicians read every bill that gets tabled? Does our government know and understand the agreement they are signing with other countries? Do they know what they are accepting?

Rick Mercer just posted a blast of the new OMNIbus bill saying its a deceitful way to get legislation across because most MPs admitted they don't actually read the whole thing. They just vote on what the party is voting. Yikes!

The reason for that is because these new age legal documents take immense will power just to read nevermind actually comprehend. Conversely, the treaty documents are not that long and don't consist of too many pages. I don't think they can claim the same argument in that respect.

Here is the link if you wanted to read through some of the treaties.

http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100028653/1100100028654