Guest American Woman Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 This image is breaking my heart. All images of all innocent victims of war break my heart. There are images of dead Israeli children out there, too, in case you've missed those. Hamas could help reduce the likelihood of civilians being killed by attacks aimed at military targets by choosing a different location for their rocket warehouses - ie: somewhere other than in the middle of civilian populations - but I'd wager that they are getting exactly the results that they desire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I, too, don't like what I've seen on the news, but as long as these two countries have outside support, the world will have to watch children on both sides die. I rather see leaders put into a cage and fight it out to save the lives of their countries young. This fighting will keep going on until someone stands up to both countries and make them see this is not good for their countries and for the young. The hatred these people have for each other is unexplainable! I still think if Israel became part of the USA, then there would be a better chance for peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Read the timeline so that you may not make false and bizarre justifications for killing civilians that make you look like a German trying to justify Nazi actions 70 years ago. The 1948 Arab-Isreali War was instigated by the Arabs against the Israelis, now when either side lost land the losing side did their best to evacuate their people out of the area, be it the Arabs or Israelis except for the Palestinians, the one group that was left out to dry by the Arabs. Why you ask? Because the Arabs believed that with better preparation they should be able to defeat the Israelis shortly and in the meantime it does not hurt to use the Palestinians as an excuse, unfortunately for the Palestinians the Arabs were and are no match for Israel even when they outnumbered the Israeli military 3,4 or 5 to 1 and the Arabs were never able to defeat Israel, in fact they just kept on losing more territory in every war they started. The point here is that the Arabs used the Palestinians as a casus belli and could not care less about them and Israel is just defending itself. The Palestinian people need to realize that the Arabs are not looking out for them rather they put them in this position in order to further their own goals, the Israelis don't care about them because Israel has to protect it's citizens from outside aggression and this leaves the Palestinians to wake up and realize that they need to look out for themselves and distance themselves from the Arabs and prosper, or stick with the Arab cause and remain a casus belli until either the Arabs give up on the destruction of Israel, or they succeed...either way it will be a long wait. And you are blaming Israel for retaliating and "killing" innocent children even though Palestinian terrorist organizations are using area's with plenty of children to store their weapons in order to cause just this outcry? If the Palestinians stopped attacking Israel or stopped using children as human shields then the Israelis won't be killing anyone but the deserving. The main difference is that Palestinian terrorist TARGET civilians while the Israeli military targets TERRORISTS who just happen to use children as human shields and then fools use that as proof of how "evil" Israel is. Read up on history and see who the real aggressor has been over the last 50 or 60 years, and then read up on who wants to destroy who. Do you believe that Israel should put down their arms and let terrorists launch rockets at their civilians without retaliation? Would you be satisfied if someone started launching missiles at Canada and the government did nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 That CBC tripe doesn't sell here. The Palestinian Cause is the wet dream of a former Nazi SS man who hated Jews with a passion that shocked Himmler. GRAND MUFTI SIGNAL...ACTIVATED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 That CBC tripe doesn't sell here. The Palestinian Cause is the wet dream of a former Nazi SS man who hated Jews with a passion that shocked Himmler. It does sell. Because it is being talked about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 GRAND MUFTI SIGNAL...ACTIVATED! I want that on a t-shirt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I, too, don't like what I've seen on the news, but as long as these two countries have outside support, the world will have to watch children on both sides die. I rather see leaders put into a cage and fight it out to save the lives of their countries young. This fighting will keep going on until someone stands up to both countries and make them see this is not good for their countries and for the young. The hatred these people have for each other is unexplainable! I still think if Israel became part of the USA, then there would be a better chance for peace. there aren't two countries...there is one state suppressing/occupying another and the outside support is heavily asymmetrical, if it was symmetrical the zionists would have a reason to negotiate, Israel is essentially the 51state or is the US an israeli puppet state (i get that confused) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 You can wear Yasser Arafat across your rear while squeezing into hot pants, it's not going to change the fact the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem... 1. was real..or do you wish to deny that? 2. was the founder and first leader of the Palestinian Cause. Or do you wish to deny it? 3. was involved in the Holocaust and was an SS man. Or do you wish to deny that as well? 4. started the Arab-Israeli War. Or would you like to deny that? Deny away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I want that on a t-shirt! Ask DoP if he has any spare "Ask me about the Grand Mufti for some reason. Or don't, but I'll tell you anyway." buttons or bumper stickers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) You can wear Yasser Arafat across your rear while squeezing into hot pants, it's not going to change the fact the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem... 1. was real..or do you wish to deny that? 2. was the founder and first leader of the Palestinian Cause. Or do you wish to deny it? 3. was involved in the Holocaust and was an SS man. Or do you wish to deny that as well? 4. started the Arab-Israeli War. Or would you like to deny that? Deny away... Who. Gives. A. Crap. How about, instead of rehashing what is little more than a historical footnote, you can explain why this moldering corpse matters one bit. Edited November 15, 2012 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Who. Gives. A. Crap. How about, instead of rehashing what is little more than a historical footnote, you can explain why this moldering corpse matters one bit. That you're unable to wrap your brain around history really isn't my problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Ask DoP if he has any spare "Ask me about the Grand Mufti for some reason. Or don't, but I'll tell you anyway." buttons or bumper stickers. If you don't want to hear about him, post elsewhere on another topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) That you're unable to wrap your brain around history really isn't my problem. Your inability to articulate why this little historical tidbit has any relevance to the issues at hand is absolutely your failure. Don't get me wrong: I know why you do it. You're trying to cast the Palestinians as Nazis. If you don't want to hear about him, post elsewhere on another topic. Impossible. Any time there's a discussion of the Israel/Palestine issue, you drag the Straw Mufti out to pound away on. It's frankly bizarre. And tiresome. Edited November 15, 2012 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=918_1352982373 Iron Dome works... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Quite to the contrary, as it provides a thorough historical perspective for the motives and actions of those involved. It will always be part of the Israel/Palestine issue...because it is part of the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Quite to the contrary, as it provides a thorough historical perspective for the motives and actions of those involved. It will always be part of the Israel/Palestine issue...because it is part of the issue. Yes indeed. I think you'll enjoy that Iron Dome vid...impressive. Got 'em all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=918_1352982373 Iron Dome works... How dare the Israelis display such technical chutzpah in the face of rocket attacks by poor, oppressed Palestinians. It's just not fair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Quite to the contrary, as it provides a thorough historical perspective for the motives and actions of those involved. It will always be part of the Israel/Palestine issue...because it is part of the issue. I'd maybe agree if DoP's Straw Mufti posts actually made a connection with current events. But they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 How dare the Israelis display such technical chutzpah in the face of rocket attacks by poor, oppressed Palestinians. It's just not fair! Neat, though...I thought it would be about 30% intercepted...not so...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I'd maybe agree if DoP's Straw Mufti posts actually made a connection with current events. But they don't. You can't build a Mustang without first building the Model T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 You can't build a Mustang without first building the Model T. You mean you can't draw modern Nazi parallels without talking about Nazis past. I gotta say, it is pretty funny how obsessed you are with this marginal historical character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 You mean you can't draw modern Nazi parallels without talking about Nazis past. I gotta say, it is pretty funny how obsessed you are with this marginal historical character. As mentioned on this forum numerous times, an uncle of mine worked for him in Yugoslavia during the War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Black Dog: ...marginal historical character. Is his nephew a 'marginal historical character'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 As mentioned on this forum numerous times, an uncle of mine worked for him in Yugoslavia during the War. Cool story bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Cool story bro. That's fine if you think me lying. So was his nephew also 'a marginal historical character'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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