DogOnPorch Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 You buy a shitload of chinese products, and you know it as well as I do. On the bright side though, your bizzare rejection of corporate capitalism will probably get you your own special tent at the next OCCUPY protest! Nope, sorry. I do not buy Chinese products. If they've put fake electronics into the components I use, I have no control over that and it simply proves my point that Red China is as slimy as they come. Buy Taiwan. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 So, GH...can't let a new page get you off showing the info on Lockheed farming out the F-35 electronics package to the Communist Chinese. Where is it? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Topaz Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 To avoid all this, why didn't the minister say 9 Billion PLUS????? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) To avoid all this, why didn't the minister say 9 Billion PLUS????? Why didn't we get the Sopwith Camel? A proven design and it would have cost mere millions for hundreds of them. Edited April 17, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wilber Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 Why didn't we get the Sopwith Camel? A proven design and it would have cost mere millions for hundreds of them. Don't know if you can get castor oil any more and besides, it gives pilots the runs. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 Don't know if you can get castor oil any more and besides, it gives pilots the runs. Ah yes...castor oil. Many WW1 aircraft had the resevoir on the upper wing just forward of the pilot. Right in the eyes... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) I don't buy Made in China.It's not possible. Even companies that assemble things in the US, often times use parts made in China. You can't get away from it. Your car probably has parts that came from China. Your light fixtures have sockets that almost certainly were stamped in China. Anything electronic you own, whether it's an American company or not, has pieces that were likely manufactured in China before assembly. Any of the furniture in your house probably has fasteners made in China. Blinds on your windows use hardware made in China. Your lightbulbs were probably made in china. If you own a table saw with a cast-iron deck or anything else with cast iron, those parts were almost certainly made in China. Your plastic toothbrush was probably made in China. Your shower curtain and shower-head for that matter were also made in China or have parts from china. Your door hardware was most likely made in China too. Your dishes and cutlery were probably made in China. The salt and pepper shakers you own probably came from China too. Edited April 17, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
Wild Bill Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 You buy a shitload of chinese products, and you know it as well as I do. On the bright side though, your bizzare rejection of corporate capitalism will probably get you your own special tent at the next OCCUPY protest! I admit I buy a lot of Chinese products. Sometimes I don't know that's where they came from. Sometimes there are no other sources. Still, if I have a choice I try to avoid them. In the real world, that's the best a poor guy can do. As for the Chinese doing the electronic chips for the F-35, it doesn't work like that. There is still some smaller scale manufacturing of such semiconductors done in America. This is used for sensitive stuff like military, aerospace and intelligence applications. Uncle Sam HAS to do this because it would be too easy to put extra stuff inside a chip to give an F-35 pilot or an American spy satellite a nasty surprise. This makes them much more expensive but in the scale of the defense budget it gets swamped out. Sorry to burst your bubble my good Dr. Dre but we're not talking apples and oranges here. I'm sure if an F-35 had a DVD player for those long haul missions it might be Chinese made but that would be about it. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
cybercoma Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 Still, if I have a choice I try to avoid them. In the real world, that's the best a poor guy can do. At least this is a more practical and honest response. Quote
GostHacked Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 So, GH...can't let a new page get you off showing the info on Lockheed farming out the F-35 electronics package to the Communist Chinese. Where is it? It might not be Lockheed directly. You do know they tender contracts for certain parts out to certain companies. You do know that some of those companies probably use Chinese components. You also know that the term JSF means Joint Strike Fighter. Several countries are involved in making the F-35. But don't let that get in the way of trying to make me look dumb. http://defensetech.org/2012/03/29/richard-clarke-all-u-s-electronics-from-china-could-be-infected/ Just remember, plenty of military electronics parts are sourced from China too. U.S.-based defense contractors routinely buy things like processors and circuit boards — that end up on the Pentagon’s most advanced weapons, everything from fighter jets to nuclear submarines — from brokers who get such parts in China. And I was specific about the electronic components being from China. It's also part of the reason we have seen so much hacking from the Chinese into the Pentagon. Guess where the desktops and laptops come from? Guess where the chips are made. http://defensetech.org/2012/03/28/gao-buys-fake-submarine-parts-from-china/ Well, as part of the committee’s investigation into the problem, lawmakers asked the Government Accountability Office to buy weapons parts from Chinese companies (that U.S. weapons companies sometimes buy from) to see if the Chinese government is doing anything to crack down on the massive problem. A shadow company set up by GAO to buy the parts specifically requested brand new parts for F-15 Eagles, MV-22 Ospreys and two nuclear submarines. What did they get? You guessed it, fake parts from China!How massive is the problem? Over one million fake weapons parts have been identified as coming from Chinese companies since 2009. You don’t have to be genius to see the safety nightmare presented by fake parts on incredibly complex systems like submarines, fighter jets and tiltrotors. You's also have you have your head buried in the sand to think that this does not actually take place. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8876656/US-weapons-full-of-fake-Chinese-parts.html The US Senate Armed Services Committee said its researchers had uncovered 1,800 cases in which the Pentagon had been sold electronics that may be counterfeit.In total, the committee said it had found more than a million fake parts had made their way into warplanes such as the Boeing C-17 transport jet and the Lockheed Martin C-130J "Super Hercules". It also found fake components in Boeing's CH-46 Sea Knight helicopter and the Theatre High-Altitude Area Defence (THAAD) missile defence system. "A million parts is surely a huge number. But I want to repeat this: we have only looked at a portion of the defence supply chain. So those 1,800 cases are just the tip of the iceberg," said Senator Carl Levin. http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/192883-mccains-responsibility-for-the-fake-chinese-military-parts-crisis U.S. Senators like John McCain understandably have been alarmed to discover that at least one million counterfeit parts – most coming from China – now permeate American weapons and other military systems. And commendably, they have pledged to deal with a threat that’s been a matter of public record for more than a year and a half, when the Commerce Department’s Bureau of Industry and Security issued a detailed report on the subject.But if McCain in particular wants to understand why the armed forces have become so dangerously compromised, he should start by looking in the mirror. For McCain has long been a major obstacle to Congressional efforts to require that U.S. military products be made mainly of American-manufactured parts, components, and other inputs. Moreover, for even longer, McCain has enthusiastically supported the U.S. trade policies that have encouraged the American electronics industry and other high-value U.S. manufacturers to offshore so much production, so many jobs, and lately so much research and development to geopolitically unreliable countries – principally China. Do you want to know more? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 Mr Clarke is well known for his boogey men. 'Could' being the operative word in anything he claims. But, since you don't have anything re: Communist China supplying the F-35's electronics, it really doesn't matter. That Communist China steals technology from places such as Canada and the US isn't anything new, either. That's what they do. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 No, is that what you read? Almost all third world countries are run by dictators. I'm left with little other way to interpret your wishes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 This jet is not right for Canada BUT it is right for the Canadian Air Force because this plane is going to be used more for foreign agendas than flying over the north. This jet was going to be the plane for NATO countries to rule the world, so to speak, but those NATO countries can't afford the jet and neither can Canada and even the US says it costing too much. So what is the alternative? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 So given the Chinese have pretty much conquered us economically and our leaders can't increase their access to our natural resources and corporations even farther and faster...maybe you diaper-panted war-hawks better revert to scaring us with the history of WW2 and the rise of Hitler. BTW did we finance our defence against Hitler by shipping him our natural resources and borrowing money from him and if not why not? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 So what is the alternative? Stop trying to rule the world. Duh. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
PIK Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 Stop trying to rule the world. Duh. Just give it to china without a fight. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
GostHacked Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) Mr Clarke is well known for his boogey men. 'Could' being the operative word in anything he claims. But, since you don't have anything re: Communist China supplying the F-35's electronics, it really doesn't matter. That Communist China steals technology from places such as Canada and the US isn't anything new, either. That's what they do. You are such a baby. I showed you that stuff comes from China (I did not say how) and is in military hardware. You purchase more Chinese products than you actually think. Looks like my Dell laptop is made in .... dun dun duuuuuuun .. China. Hate on Clarke all you want, but it was the GAO which investigated and found the fake Chinese electronic components. Edited April 17, 2012 by GostHacked Quote
punked Posted April 17, 2012 Report Posted April 17, 2012 Just give it to china without a fight. When did we go to war with China? Quote
Army Guy Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) You say that like it was a good thing. The only thing I can hope for is that the revelation of the insane costs of doing the same thing over and over and over again sinks a little deeper into our collective consciousness and moves us towards a different path. NO, i say it because for the most part it is true, unless you can mange a mass demostration or have access to the media, you SOL. My certainty of that is buoyed up by the fact that the militaristic government currently in power clearly fear and loath the Charter. I've heard this over and over again, Canadians calling the cons a militaristic government, or a turning our nation into a military warehouse..., or comparing us to the USA...because we did what GOING to buy 65 planes, 100 tanks, and some ships....perhaps we should put that into some context. Russian government agrees to increase spending by 60 % link CHina defense budget is reported to increase by 7.5 % this year but by 2015 it is reported to almost double to 238 bil US Shit, Canada does not even make the top 30 nations on Global Militarization index in fact it is not even listed. Canada's spending at the peak was 22.5 bil, and now is decreasing.... One has to atleast ask the question who is going to attack China, Russia, no one, but yet their defense budget are sky rocketing why is that...why do these nations need such a huge military are they that afraid of the US, is the US threating to strike...no, then why? perhaps to take advantage of the worlds current situation when most western countries are down grading militaries and expenditures.....so we should sit down put our heads in the sand, with our asses held high so one day someone can fill it....we'll still be saying Who would want to attack Canada after watching a parade of red stars roll down town toronto.... Edited April 18, 2012 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 One has to atleast ask the question who is going to attack China, Russia, no one, but yet their defense budget are sky rocketing why is that...why do these nations need such a huge military are they that afraid of the US, is the US threating to strike...no, then why? China, India, Pakistan and Russia are all very close together and all have enormous militaries. China wants to be the pre-eminent power in Asia and be able to exert their influence over the region and India, in particular, wants to counter act this as much as possible. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
bleeding heart Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 China, India, Pakistan and Russia are all very close together and all have enormous militaries. China wants to be the pre-eminent power in Asia and be able to exert their influence over the region and India, in particular, wants to counter act this as much as possible. You could be right, but India's military policy has long been heavily influenced by its (mis)relations with Pakistan, as well. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
waldo Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 Just give it to china without a fight. and is the Harper Conservative embrace of China just Harper's wiley rope-a-dope? coming off 2009 trips to China by Conservative Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney and chief bank regulator Julie Dickson... we have the recent Feb trip by Harper and his posse (Harper's second trip to China!). What's he after PIK? Is Harper fighting... for you? by the by, how's that Sinopec investment in Northern Gateway coming along? Or the earlier Sinopec purchase of ConocoPhillips' stake in Syncrude Canada (the world's biggest tarsands producer)... or the China state-owned CNOOC acquiring OPTI Canada's 35% interest in the Nexen tarsands project? Is Harper fighting... for you, PIK? Quote
Argus Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 You could be right, but India's military policy has long been heavily influenced by its (mis)relations with Pakistan, as well. True, but they're stationing their new nuclear sub on their east coast, not their west, so it sure isn't being bought because of Pakistan. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 Stop trying to rule the world. Duh. Can you cite some examples of Canada trying to rule the world? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Jack Weber Posted April 18, 2012 Report Posted April 18, 2012 Mr Clarke is well known for his boogey men. 'Could' being the operative word in anything he claims. But, since you don't have anything re: Communist China supplying the F-35's electronics, it really doesn't matter. That Communist China steals technology from places such as Canada and the US isn't anything new, either. That's what they do. Erm...Not certain the Chinese are pinko's anymore... Carry on... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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