bush_cheney2004 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 President Obama delivered a US Mideast policy speech today with curious timing and direction. Everybody got a little sumptin' sumptin'. However, Palestine is not allowed to declare UN recognized statehood....go figure! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/19/obamas-mideast-speech-offers-punishment-praise/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 President Obama delivered a US Mideast policy speech today with curious timing and direction. Everybody got a little sumptin' sumptin'. However, Palestine is not allowed to declare UN recognized statehood....go figure! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/19/obamas-mideast-speech-offers-punishment-praise/ Curious indeed. I can't imagine that these things are done without prior knowledge of our allies over there, so maybe something is in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Curious indeed. I can't imagine that these things are done without prior knowledge of our allies over there, so maybe something is in the works. Are you suggesting boots on the ground to help speed things up? We're trying to get those 1300 GBU-12's to you ASAP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Are you suggesting boots on the ground to help speed things up? We're trying to get those 1300 GBU-12's to you ASAP! No... I'm thinking conversations with the major stakeholders - perhaps to get some kind of general agreement in place before unknown risks (such as Egypt) fall into place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 No... I'm thinking conversations with the major stakeholders - perhaps to get some kind of general agreement in place before unknown risks (such as Egypt) fall into place. I can see that, but turmoil in northern Africa will churn to a conclusion either way regardless of the interminable Israeli-Palestinian conflict. At some point, the Arab world will just pass them by....the "plight" of Palestinians no longer needed as a rallying cry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remiel Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 However, Palestine is not allowed to declare UN recognized statehood....go figure! Whether that is true or not depends at least in part on what Israel chooses to do at this point. If Israel decides that they do not care about the opinion of Obama, then so too can the Palestinians ignore his demand that they not seek statehood through the UN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Didn't he start his speech about the G20 summit coming up and what was on the agenda and this was one of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Didn't he start his speech about the G20 summit coming up and what was on the agenda and this was one of them? The G8 is coming up, not the G20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) Obama is making a common mistake that the left keeps repeating. The assumption is that if you negotiate with Israel's enemies you can come to some sort of middle ground and strike an agreement or treaty. The assumption is that they only want some land for the palestinians and once the injustice of the '67 war is finally corrected, there will be peace. The truth is, they want the Jews to lose their nation. This is only a step in the ultimate goal. Obama is a fool to project reasonable thought on Israel's enemies who have openly declared their desire to drive her into the sea. He is also a fool to think for one second that the '67 borders is a good opening bargaining position. Israelis have rightly moved into this land that they won fair and square when the surrounding nations were trying to destroy Israel. If you attack another nation, be prepared to face the consequences. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Giving land back will not win peace. Israel already proved that a few years ago. Obama should stick with what he knows best, how to destroy an economy. Edited May 21, 2011 by sharkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 He is also a fool to think for one second that the '67 borders is a good opening bargaining position. Israelis have rightly moved into this land that they won fair and square when the surrounding nations were trying to destroy Israel. If you attack another nation, be prepared to face the consequences. This doesn't fly. What Israel did in 1967 broke international law. If you are attacked in a war, you have the right to defend yourself of course, but if you win you can't just annex parts of the countries/territories that attacked you. That's what Israel did, and UNSC Resolution 242 from 1967 binds Israel to give back the acquired land. Obama is basically trumping Israel to follow the UN Resolution and international law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 This doesn't fly. What Israel did in 1967 broke international law. If you are attacked in a war, you have the right to defend yourself of course, but if you win you can't just annex parts of the countries/territories that attacked you. That's what Israel did, and UNSC Resolution 242 from 1967 binds Israel to give back the acquired land. Obama is basically trumping Israel to follow the UN Resolution and international law. So, when is East Prussia and Pomerania going to be, once again, part of a Greater Germany? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 So, when is East Prussia and Pomerania going to be, once again, part of a Greater Germany? As soon as the southwestern United States goes back to Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 So, when is East Prussia and Pomerania going to be, once again, part of a Greater Germany? As soon as we build a time machine and create the international laws and norms of the UN that didn't exist at the end of WWII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 As soon as the southwestern United States goes back to Mexico. Right. Taking territory through military force was part of the game before WWII. It just doesn't fly today, in order to maintain international security and whatnot (well, unless you're country nobody gives a poopers about). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 This doesn't fly. What Israel did in 1967 broke international law. If you are attacked in a war, you have the right to defend yourself of course, but if you win you can't just annex parts of the countries/territories that attacked you. That's what Israel did, and UNSC Resolution 242 from 1967 binds Israel to give back the acquired land. Obama is basically trumping Israel to follow the UN Resolution and international law. Yeah, well what Egypt and all the rest did in 67 and 72 also broke international law, as well as those who attacked Israel in previous gang bangs. I assume you are then in full support Of what the US did to Iraq twice as well as the Korea and Viet Nam conflicts? Because most of the left is quite selective as to which UN resolutions they support or not. The bottom line is after being attacked several times, Israel realized that the UN and everyone else wasn't interested in preventing another Yom Kipper religious day sneak attack or any other so Israel had to take matters into their own hands. Should they just have dropped a nuke or two instead? Obama is still foolish to go back 40 years and this will only encourage more suicide bombers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 This doesn't fly. What Israel did in 1967 broke international law. If you are attacked in a war, you have the right to defend yourself of course, but if you win you can't just annex parts of the countries/territories that attacked you. Not at all. Israel did annex parts of countries and territories. But they did so out of self-defense. These lands were staging grounds for attack after attack. Annexing these lands were necessary in order for Israel to prevent attacks in the future. Anyways, did anybody else see the Israeli PM smackdown Obama in person, at the White House, in front of international press? IT WAS AWESOME! Obama just sat there, in the same position for like 10 minutes, as he was scolded and preached down to. It was simply amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 So, when is East Prussia and Pomerania going to be, once again, part of a Greater Germany? I dunno? When are you going to come up with a comparison that isnt mind-numbingly retarded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Not at all. Israel did annex parts of countries and territories. But they did so out of self-defense. No they took the land because WANTED IT. End of story. The occupation is WAY more than a security operation... Isreal is plundering the land for vitally needed resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 As soon as the southwestern United States goes back to Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 No they took the land because WANTED IT. End of story. The occupation is WAY more than a security operation... Isreal is plundering the land for vitally needed resources. ..as is Canada when it comes to "aboriginal land" complete with a land claims charade. Scold Israel when this is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 ..as is Canada when it comes to "aboriginal land" complete with a land claims charade. Scold Israel when this is different. Right so as long as theres a historical precident for something its OK! Hitler gassed the jews so its just fine right! The ancient Egyptians enslaved millions of people so its ok if WE do it TODAY! Man... if I posted something that stupid Id shoot myself in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) Right so as long as theres a historical precident for something its OK! Hitler gassed the jews so its just fine right! Mike Godwin's Law proven yet again. Do you deny that "aboriginal" lands in Canada are exploited for their resources, regardless of land claims? The ancient Egyptians enslaved millions of people so its ok if WE do it TODAY! So did Americans and Canadians. Man... if I posted something that stupid Id shoot myself in the face. Go right ahead....post it on YouTube. Edited May 22, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Right so as long as theres a historical precident for something its OK! Hitler gassed the jews so its just fine right! The ancient Egyptians enslaved millions of people so its ok if WE do it TODAY! Man... if I posted something that stupid Id shoot myself in the face. Put the gun down, friend, and simply be willing to learn something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Put the gun down, friend, and simply be willing to learn something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) ..as is Canada when it comes to "aboriginal land" complete with a land claims charade. Scold Israel when this is different. and the US invades/attacks countries, supports coups, blackmails governments, and uses trade policies and the exportation of US companies to plunder the resources of other countries of their valuable resources. And ya, so does Canada. Beat ya to it! Scold the Canada when the US has a leg to stand on. I just pulled a BC! Edited May 22, 2011 by Moonlight Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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