Moonlight Graham

Older and rural people tend to vote more conservative. Younger working urban people tend to vote Liberal or MDP. Retired people don't need a 3 day voting window or access to any polling station. Wish I wasn't cynical about this but the Liberals haven't earned the benefit of the doubt. They've shown they care a lot more about their own power than the national interest or democracy.

He should be barred from office per the 14th amendment and put in jail for attempted fraud.

The citizens who borrow money, through their government, should have to pay it back. That would be the ethical thing to do. Imagine if we as individuals had the ability to charge our credit cards and force our grandchildren, or other's grandchildren, pay for it.

It's a provocative statement. It uses a bit of emotional language maybe. We can even call it somewhat inflammatory. But it's still true. Maybe you mostly just dislike the tone of it and want something more civil and constructive that won't make anyone react in anger. We could try to civilize the statement and change some of the language to something more civil, but the meaning will be largely the same. Instead of policing tone, tell us why you don't agree with the statement. Let's break it down. I do think we've become more afraid to have opinions contrary to modern social norms. This makes us just accept things even if we don't quite agree out of fear of repercussions. We've become more compliant in the real world, maybe not on twitter where we can be anonymous. They want compliance, not disagreement or debate, and fear is used as a tool to enforce compliance. People who are less self-reliant and more reliant on government to help them with the necessities of day to day life become more dependent and less independent. Children are dependent and healthy well-functioning adults are independent, so we become more like child dependents to the government "nanny state" as they call it. When we help people too much they never learn to survive on their own, which is extremely detrimental in the long run. "Teach a man to fish...". I don't need anyone to "take care of me", I only need some help when I'm in a dire situation but not normally day-to-day. I don't need anyone to pay for my dentist, prescriptions, daycare, or retirement. It feels good to not have to do some things for ourselves, but it's like a disease that erodes our competence. For the poor? Sure, they do need some help, they're not able to take care of themselves, so they're like dependents. I've met some poor people who say "I'll never take welfare", they don't want handouts, they want to deal with things themselves and stand on their own 2 feet. Not to say there's anything wrong with welfare for people in need, at least short-term. The people also aren't clamoring for some of the changes the government enacts, they just do it without asking us if we want it. The Liberals have always tended to think they're the smartest people in the room and tell us what we need. The current Liberals are also heavy handed and use the power of the state to enforce their goals even when its contrary to our rights in a liberal democracy. The compassionate left are well-meaning but don't understand that sometimes they treat people like overbearing helicopter parents. Every virtue, when taken to an extreme, becomes a vice. Including compassion.

They don't hold to any oath. Power over king or country.

The Crown doesn't make any decisions whatsoever though, Parliament does, who are supposed to represent us. It's not the 15th century anymore. Serving the Crown just means you follow the law. We should all follow the law... usually.

CPC are wolves in sheepdog clothing.

What if it's mostly the truth though? At least we have MAID. Doomlight Graham is back! It's not hopeless though if the suicide cult leader can be voted out.

If you want to govern you at least need to represent the will of a good number of the general public. Most staunchly conservative positions just don't fly with most Canadians.

You've said some interesting things. Let me sit with them and respond when I have more time.

Thank you for your thoughtful responses, it's much appreciated. 1, I just don't agree with you on this. Our values give birth to our actions. If we have the wrong values as a society then our actions will be poisoned by them and we'll be led astray. Bad values mean bad actions and policies. We can criticize policy, but it's even more productive to cut the dragon off at the head. Bad values that are spread to many others is like a disease and it needs to be cured by better values. This is the place to discuss both values/ideology and specific policy. There is a culture war happening and I'm not going to sit by the sidelines as the values I think are harmful spread throughout our governments, education systems, workplaces, media etc just because it causes conflict and makes us uncomfortable. You say the discussion is "limited". I very strongly disagree. The discussion is the very root of many of our problems because, again, bad values give birth to bad actions. You said above: "I don't like the ideological angle, and criticizing people for their values. At their worst, these discussions just turn into culture wars which are anti-political and work against the purpose of having a discussion board in the first place." Totally disagree. I know you don't like it, but we need to talk about it. Discussion boards aren't just for coldly breaking down policy details. There's nothing more political than our values. The culture wars are extremely political because politics is about power, they aren't "anti-political". The values that win the day shape almost everything in our government, plus our schools, workplaces, media etc. You want us to put our heads in the sand because it makes you uncomfortable? I will not comply. This thread is called "What happened to Canada", and it's not just a bad policy here and there, it's about VALUES, so let's talk about them right here, right now, this is EXACTLY the place to talk about them. If this makes you uncomfortable you're free not to participate, but please don't tell me what I or anyone else should or shouldn't talk about. Conflict is often uncomfortable , but avoiding conflict doesn't solve problems. Politics is about conflict because it's a struggle for power and then implementing a vision (values) through actions (policy) using that power. 2, Our Governor Generals, the Liberal MP candidates, and the cabinet are all chosen through a "woke" lens (gender and race quotas). The civil service does the same thing in its hiring as a matter of policy. You're free to research these things if you like. 3, His actions tell me what kind of person he is and what his values are. Cut the head off the dragon by getting rid of the leader and his government. 4, No i think you think you might be labeled a racist if you agreed with me. Same with agreeing on point #2. Am I wrong? I challenge you to give me the honest truth on this. We all think this way. That's why I don't go on Facebook and argue these points, I'm going to use anonymous message boards to avoid the judging stares of people who are offended by uncomfortable facts. 5, Stating what I believe to be the truth sometimes risks becoming offensive. You're a nice guy whom I like personally and so I don't want to offend you nor do I enjoy it, but i'm also not going to lie or suppress what needs to be said. These are a part of my values. I want you to get uncomfortable because I want to hear what you think outside the shackles of the social norms that seek to restrict all of our opinions, myself included in my real life. I believe truth and free expression of it are very important values for a healthy functioning society. Accepting the woke culture war values because that's less uncomfortable than the conflict that arises from resisting it is a bad value IMO. Anonymous message boards might be the only safe space for these conversations we have left. The universities and media aren't (cancel culture). 7, If the crowd is wrong then the crowd needs to be convinced, through argument, or else society suffers. We'd still believe that the sun revolved around the earth. I'm not Socrates or Galileo or Darwin but I embrace their values and the examples they set and we should all do the same. If you're not willing to take the public whippings then at least get out of the way of the people who are.

The cops just needed to purchase a few tow trucks from someone. Is that really an emergency? Lol.

Just inject the medicine the government wants you to take and then STFU. Funny how indigenous protestors blockading our railroads across the country and hijacking our economy and trade wasn't deemed a national emergency.

We should all care about when the government abuses its power and infringes on people's Charter rights. Sadly it just seems most people only care about it depending on whether they agree with the agenda, but that's not how the rule of law works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations

2. The federal government makes a lot of policy decisions through a "woke" ideological lens. They discriminate in hiring in federal workplaces based on gender and race as a matter of policy. I think how our government treats people matters. There's a difference between being accepting vs self flagellation. Indigenous peoples and the Quebecois and immigrants are happy to protect, defend, and maintain their culture and heritage. My identity is "Canadian" so why is my culture and heritage treated like its so worthless by its own leaders? Our PM making Canada into a blank-slate is extremely insulting to me and everything our families have done to help build this country into what it is. I'm a Canadian nationalist, which just means that I love this country and its heritage, but "Canadian nationalist" is a boogieman word for progressives because of their guilt-ridden self-loathing. Their ideology is a disease on this great nation. 3. If he had good policies I could live with him being a bad person. 4. No I never said you thought I was a racist, i meant that in the general sense. But I do think you and many others naturally recoil at opinions/policies that want to reduce immigration because it comes with the "racist" tag, and nobody likes being accused of possibly being a racist. 5. Ok i'll try to stop. It's just frustrating to have discussions without someone that is so unwilling to offend when I believe a particular truth that's considered "offensive" needs to be said plainly and action taken. This is harmful to our society and is rampant amongst the population. 6. I'm not comparing myself to those people, I'm just using very famous examples to make a point about truth and mainstream resistance to it. Progress is IMPOSSIBLE without the gadflies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadfly_(philosophy_and_social_science)

I know, the Obama speech is the exact opposite, a huge contrast. Unity, what a concept! Trudeau doesn't know what's best for the country because he's a fool and his post-national and woke ideologies are divisive. And I disagree, he wants to virtue signal as well, show Canadians and the world how welcoming we are. We can be welcoming but not have to give up our national identity and our history etc. It's a lot easier to shape a country into a post-national state when you sweep its national history and culture under a rug and start with a blank slate. Sure, don't want to offend the Quebecois or indigenous or an immigrant or anyone else with pesky national culture and national unity. Hmm I can't believe that the military is having a recruiting problem... I've been saying this for years about immigration, and it irked you and you argued that housing builds were keeping pace with immigration numbers, which was nonsense. But now that the mainstream are finally starting to agree with me well now I guess i'm no longer just an anti-immigrant racist and you're allowed to agree with me since a more broadly accepted stance won't be as likely to offend someone. You might consider at some point taking a stance that isn't based on sticking your moist finger in the air and seeing which way the wind is blowing. Some things are more important than being liked by everyone all of the time. Galileo and Charles Darwin weren't liked by everyone in their day either, but they were right.

So which part of Russia or China are you actually from?

Maybe the teleprompter malfunctioned? Or he couldn't see it clearly?

Vivek incoming.

Life is also a highway. And I want to ride it. All night long.

Post-national state.

I'm a master bator.

I think identity politics is having a meaningful impact to our culture, employment, and unity. You can't just ignore reality.

No it's a very specific form of over-politeness obsessed with race and gender and trying to make sure everyone fits into some kind of identity quota. It's not very polite to discriminate against someone based on their race or gender. Maybe you're retired and don't lose out on jobs and promotions because you don't have the right shade of skin or genitals.