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Good article Mowich: And this is the point where Soros's useful idiots start running around acting butthurt, and screaming platitudes that would make a Berkeley grad wince in embarrassment.

Russia preferred Obama over Romney in 2012. He even mocked Romney for insisting that Russia was a geopolitical foe. I’m sure Putin was giving a thumbs up while watching that debate. Hell, Obama even promised Russia that he’d have more flexibility after the election. I can only imagine if Trump was caught on a hot mic saying something similar! ”I understand, I will transmit this information to Vladimir “ That’s when cozying up to Russia was en vogue!

Stop! or I'll say Stop again.

PM Zoolander holding his press conference right now. Says "we have exhausted every possibility for dialogue, now the onus is on the indigenous leadership" Also rules out using the military under any circumstances "we don't use the army against Canadian civilians"

There is that "YOU PEOPLE" again...

I am here to sing a happy tune hug Banana and Besty and give them a balloon then I sing to that Commie Eye don't be worring about days being nigh PK, WES Shady remember this I will always give you guys and Jacee a kiss cheer is what I bring to this thread who me tell anyone to drop dead weez all one big happy family our nation tis of thee no wait thats for Yanks I hate Tom Hanks I better stop and not go on God bless Celine Dion Back to the original premises of the thread-when people are convinced their cause is right and infallible whether its a religious value, or any other value they can take on the same rigid absoluteness. I subscribe to the school of political psychology that believes insecurity fuels extremist values and the more insecure one feels, the more extreme their beliefs become to try alleviate that insecurity. Case in point, Hitler. His extremism was a reaction to and a remedy for a group collective feeling of humiliation he picked up on thta his country felt after losing WW2. The insecurity of being humiliated fueled his personna that addressed that. So can be said of most dynamic leaders. They pick up on group neuroses or insecurities and throw them back out redefined as specific stereotyped enemies that can be easily conquered. There is a a very real insecurity many deal with when it comes to the environment. They see themselves born into a polluted world they think no one cares about and feel directly threatened by it and this react extremely. The young girl from Sweden was in fact an illustration of a very stressed out, insecure girl feeling the full weight of the future of the planet on her and instead of adults identifying that and saying they had displaced their problems on her and helping her decompensate, fuel her trauma because they agree with her underlying message. In so doing exploit her psyche and use the image of a stressed out child hoping it will spur others on to better behaviour. All I see is a child being exploited-any message she gives for me is diluted by that fact. The psychological damage being done to her trotting her out as an environmental warrior is unforgiveable. In regards to the native peoples, there are groups within their nations very much concerned about the environment but there are also others simply interested in making money no different than anyone else and posing as being concerned about the environment and mixing with the mother-earth types and using them as a cover for their own agendas which are often fueled by anger of not being part of the network of kickbacks they think they have missed out on. Its a complex issue where indigenous conflicts between their groups and environmental conflicts inter-connect or divert in interests depending on who in the nation of indigenous nations you speak to. Likewise with business representatives.

Nonsense...the U.S. and Russia have several mutual interests, not just conflicts. How do you think American (and Canadian) astronauts get to the ISS...and return to earth ? Russia certainly has the right to support its own interests for international politics...Canada does it too.

Trudeau and the premiers let natives hijack vital transportation infrastructure and let migrants from the US stream over the border and the Chinese take free birth tours. Stop letting people push us around and defend the damn country you bunch of wusses.

The ones who removed the barricades in Edmonton were mostly oilfield workers. According to the person I know who joined in to help. He did not mention any far-right groups being there, perhaps they were, but there is nothing on the news about it and no one there seemed to notice if they were also there or not. Not the first time Jacee has lied about her far-right conspiracies.

Where does it say that? It says "frustrated locals". Cite something that says it's Sons of Odin or Proud Boys who took the barricades down. Be careful - I know one of the people in that picture and they are NOT affiliated with either of those groups.

Right..."austerity" failed in Europe and it sure as hell would fail in the USA. National economies are funded by massive amounts of DEBT.

Wrong...the U.S. would still have deficits without tax cuts. Budgets are not balanced. Deficits are caused by SPENDING.

There's no evidence the US is cutting spending on anything. It's rising deficits over the years have been almost entirely due to tax cuts. The budget was balanced during the Clinton Administration, and there was much talk about how long it would take to pay down the debt. Then came Republican tax cuts, one after another after another. When you say America is broke, you can thank the Republicans for that.

".....but I do for the stupid resource company that was given consent to put their pipeline elsewhere." Rather misplaced contempt considering it was the 20 bands and communities along the line that gave consent.

Throwing away more money on remote bands that exist only on government hand-outs is and always was a no-win situation as is evidenced by multiple bands who STILL are without clean water, decent housing, social services support for their suicidal youth and a plethora of other problems that have plagued such communities for decades. The only way out of poverty is good jobs that will provide employment for the FNs and funds to improve living conditions.

I have no contempt for them but I do for the stupid resource company that was given consent to put their pipeline elsewhere. Besides which the best way out of poverty is to reconcile and secure treaties. I see the evidence of that growing just about everyday where I live. As I've repeated many times reconciliation is one of the biggest economic drivers now where I live. Much of Canada is really missing out.

About time this benighted simpleton got 'woke' to the fact that her intervention in this matter is neither warranted nor wanted. HOW DARE SHE!

Excellent post, scribblet and thank you for the link.

An entire economy doesn’t just transform overnight. You need affordable mass produced electric vehicles that can travel long distances without recharging. You need widespread electric rapid transit and high speed rail (which doesn’t exist in Canada). You need clean energy sources for the production of all this electric energy. The climate Nazis don’t support use of nuclear power, so, wa wa, no green economy for you. We could do a lot for green cooling/heating and electric power by changing building codes to incorporate solar roof shingles, deep water cooling, geothermal, and in some locations, wind power, but that will take many more years to make a dent. Existing communities and structures would need costly incentives to retrofit. We should do these things, but it requires major sources of government revenue, which means good jobs and resource development. Pipelines are much greener means of distribution than trucks or rail. The protesters are ignorant extremists who have no public mandate, including from Indigenous. Blockades need to be removed immediately by law enforcement.

Not necessarily true. What raw resources did America receive from the Korean War? Or the Vietnam War? Or either war with Iraq? Or it's regime change in Libya?

Somebody being arrested for breaking the law isn't violence. It just goes to show how bat shit crazy the left has gotten these days.

No it's not. The US has worked consistently for the last century or more to use its foreign policy to enrich itself through obtaining raw resources and to block competitors and enemies from expanding both economically and militarily. None of that was for any purpose other than "American first". Trump has largely abandoned all of that, giving the Chinese, in particular, free reign to grab and lock up resources and control of resource rich countries. US allies weren't there because the US was nice, but because it helped the US in its international efforts. Now Trump has largely abandoned those allies, letting the Chinese and Russians move in, in many cases, to pick them up. Trump's policy could be better described as America Alone. By the time you get a president who isn't suffering from dementia and start looking around you're going to find America's influence and power in the world greatly diminished, with few ways of getting it back short of the outright use of American military forces.

You haven't been a party to the conversation so far, so you're really not up to speed on the situation. It's nice to see you back though. Did you have a nervous breakdown after Trump wasn't impeached?

Well said!

I can remember when I was young my mother would force me to go to Sunday church. I had to sit there for an hour and listen to this guy talking about something I did not give a dam about. When it was over I ran like - hell - out the door. Then one day when I got old enough my mother said let's go to Sunday church. I finally got brave enough and said "NO" I am not going, and I did not go, and I have not been back since. She was not happy with me but too bad. The days of my religious indoctrination came to an end. I finally got rid of religion in my life. I was finally free.

Anyone could scream about bad things that happened in the past, but they have to actually be relevant to the topic at hand or it's just noise. You just blather about unrelated BS to act like you're still in the game but you haven't made a single salient point all day, as usual. There's only one thing here worth responding to. I actually laughed, as usual, you just didn't hear it. In Canada, when the majority makes a ruling against a minority, it's not like "You said words we don't like, now you die" or "You can't have sex with other men, now you are getting thrown off of a building", it's like "No one else in the building wants pets. You can stay, and your pets can live here til they die, but you can't get new ones". And it sucks, it really does, and it can have serious financial ramifications, but it's low-level suckage by comparison to what goes on in the rest of the world (especially the parts of the world that you like) and there's always a chance that you can get such a thing overturned in a court ruling. If you want an example of a special ruling affecting a minority, take the Sikh kirpan for example, or the fact that the Sikhs get to ride motorbikes without a helmet while everyone else has no choice but wear one. Even on a bicycle. It's not unusual for minorities in this country to get privileges that other Canadians don't get. Natives don't have to pay taxes if they live on a reserve and they can hunt and fish out of season. I'm not ashamed of our recent past. I'm ashamed of our present idiocy, and our useless piece of garbage PM.

Hey, who told you could show this picture? Now you are making Obama look bad, and Trump look really good. Naughty-naughty on you.

Some folks REALLY want Russia to be the enemy. It's sort of a 1984 thing as near as I can tell. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

Canada's feeble army doesn't have the logistics to crush anybody across such a vast territory, Canada couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag without the Pentagon running it for them Not only does Canada not have the boots to cover the ground, what boots they have are not even equipped, there's widespread shortages The Canadian concept of operations is that Canada plugs a token force of one battalion group into the American logistics tail, by design As a result, that is all the Canadian Army is really capable of now, in terms of actually trained and equipped troops to conduct sustained operations Even the small number of troops Canada claims to have on paper are not there, all those units are under strength, they don't have the number of troops they claim Boutique Army ; a few pieces of fancy kit in the showroom, without anything backing that up in the warehouse in the event of a crisis

This was true long before Trump ever became president. See "Obama".

The thing I personally would like to question is what kind of person defends Holocaust denial in 2020? Hey, I'm just asking questions. And I am not asking any Holocaust denier in particular this, either. If you are snowflakey about that, maybe your therapist or parole officer has something to say on this thread.

I live in a country run by PC cowards. At some point somebody cut off the testicles of this country and threw them in the Atlantic.

You just do not have faith. God can do anything don't cha know. Except he can only reproduce after coveting another man's wife, cuckolding Joseph and becoming a deadbeat dad. What a god, demon that is. Try to put sense into his sheeple. I see it as our duty to correct poor thinking when we can. Regards DL

Yours is a false argument, because even if we agreed not to sell China any oil, you still wouldn't be in favour of the pipeline or it's oil production. So stop pretending otherwise. It's laughable.

Seems to me that Eden was a very boring place, the only thing a little different was that forbidden object. It was curiosity and desire that made her reach out and take that fruit. The first progressive.

Yes it is law to consult, but they do not have power of veto, if it is the nations best interest. And when consulting failed for first nations they changed the rules, the elected council means squat....

You are basically correct and that is why I focus on harm reduction by trying to have the obtuse look at their homophobic and misogynous religion and reject the genocidal god who created their evil religion. You are right that logic and reason is beyond their thinking, but I hope their corrupted morality can be healed so as to have them stop discrimination against better than half the planet. They run from moral discussions more often than not but just the fact that they know they are running away should be teaching them something. Don't give up. We are not as useless as you think. Sure, our interlocutors may not think, but lurkers do. I get more positive feed back in P M than on the board. Successful or not, it is our duty to try to reduce the abuse that religions pile onto innocent victims. Regards DL

One truth is that the Crown and the idea of hereditary political/legal authority is bogus, unless it is purely for ceremony/cultural interest. Another truth is that the reserve system, Indian Act, and Indian status as legal and taxation privilege should also end. Help the people (not a race) in the current reserves and non-self-sustaining communities become sustainable where possible. If they are unsustainable (insufficient employment, industrial investment), help communities resettle. End all tax exemptions on Indigenous and let all reserve/Indigenous land become immediately privately owned by the Indigenous inhabitants. That’s what should happen. Instead, since imposing any outsider ideas on Indigenous is construed as “colonial”, we have to hope that Indigenous people and their leaders see the value in this. It may never happen, so we keep funding and abiding this ridiculous apartheid. Meanwhile the Reconciliation rhetoric just amplifies the politics of race and injustice, because there will be no end to the claims of past victimhood (warranted and unwarranted) and reparations (fair and unfair). Leave Indigenous Affaires to Indigenous at current funding levels adjusted annually for inflation, I guess, until taxpayers get completely fed up and the suffering of people on unsustainable reserves and territories, no matter how much money or resources we throw at them, becomes untenable. The green low carbon economy is coming, but the transition should be at a reasonable pace and involve all peoples, not just the select who decide that business and labour are other people’s problems and put a wrench in the economy that funds the progressive programs and services they value.

Former CBC Ottawa reporter: "Unless JT quickly finds a miracle exit from the Indigenous crisis, one will have rarely seen the leadership of a PM crumble so quickly. The pressure of provincial premiers illustrates his incapacity and the limits of reconciliation rhetoric." The Wet'suwet'en occupation website lets people apply for a "travel grant" to visit the "camp" (the protest site) for "2 weeks or more." They are openly paying protesters.

So what, you think the Yanks want to take care of the hinterland and Crown treaty obligations? They had their wars and revolution. This Green fascist privileging of selected pure ethnic groups is real. Their land and way of life are to be protected and provided for by the taxpaying public. Taxes are for taxpayer- workers, including Green taxes to keep the land pure for those who don’t have to get their hands dirty with pipelines and taxes. It’s the lot of Canada, apparently, to accept this arrangement because, “colonialism”.

Perfect. After reading about the incident, I wouldn't say Harper has done exactly what Trudeau has done now. Trudeau seems to have washed his hands of the whole thing.

Dakota Access pipeline protest for one. You could have just ggogled protestors leave mounds of garbage behind.

You mean immature people like Trudeau can't stand it when anyone disagrees with them. Trudeau has amply demonstrated his extreme intolerance to different views than his, both within his party, and from those outside the party. It's no wonder he admires China's dictatorship. He wishes he had one himself.

Immature hotheads like Scheer are not useful when there's real work to be done.

Also this is more about politics and issues between the various Chiefs.. read this...https://www.jlsreport.com/.../16/wolves-in-fancy-blankets/ Terri Tiljoe I see all these posts supporting a few OW Hereditary Chiefs but what I don't see is the Wetsuweten people speaking up about how this office operates. I get it though, I live on Westbank First Nation, I see exactly how opportunities are disbursed based on whether you are "one of them" or "one of us". Luckily, I also lived up in Houston BC and know first hand about the motives of some of the OW Hereditary Chiefs. My husband is the late Larry Tiljoe, a member of the Witset Band, Gilseyhu Clan and Unistoten "family" line. The Tiljoe family have lived and worked, off reserve, in the Houston area their entire lives. Larry's father is Russell Tiljoe, Russell's father was Alex Tiljoe, the late Chief Namox. Larry's mother Elsie, is the granddaughter of Christine Holland, the late Chief Knedebeas. Elsie and Larry both hold trapline rights along the pipeline within Knedebeas territory and the family has a long standing and significant connection to the land in and around Houston and the Knedebeas territories. In 1993, we started a silviculture business, Nadina Mountain Contracting, located within the Morice Forest District. Our goal was to become a sustainable First Nation contractor who harvested, replanted and rejuvenated the areas we harvested. We managed our contracts and ensured their successful completion and established solid working relationships with local forestry industry key players. We employed many people from Moricetown to Burns Lake, both Native and non-Native. We were employed full time managing the land and forest health, building our business. Then the Office of the Wetsuweten of the Hereditary Chiefs came along. cont...

Well it's all about the Mohawks now and the Wet'suwet'ens for and against the line are being left to twist in the wind as the focus has now turned to the Eastern rail blockades. This isn't about a pipeline anymore it is about one Indigenous group unsupported by a majority of their own people who have taken the law into their own hands in a so-far very successful attempt to bring our nation to grinding halt. And no one in any level of government has the balls to say enough is enough.

Several bands have already spoken up against the influx of NGO bought protestors, environmental warriors, guilt-ridden whiteys and various other groups hoping to capitalize on the media coverage - but you have to hunt hard and long to find coverage about it and don't bother going anywhere near the liberal bought cbc or the extreme left tyee. BC's Premier Horgan had Extinction Rebellion thugs outside his home this morning. Now I am no fan of Horgan's but that type of behavior is waaay beyond the pale. The time has come for a united Indigenous voice soundly condemning these thugs and telling the rest of the hangers-on and wanna be seen on FB types to go home.

At least. All those white kids with dreadlocks, pretty sure they're about environmentalism and just piggy-backing on the Native issue. Probably think it'll get them more time in front of the cameras. I read somewhere that some didn't even know what would be going through the pipeline. All they're doing is alienating the public. I won't be surprised when the Native protesters put the run on them.

Why is he talking to the Mohawks, why is he not talking to the minority of hereditary chiefs who are against this. Either way, this is about more than a pipeline, IMO it’s about dominance and infighting between the Chiefs… This is going to bring the country to the brink if Trudeau doesn’t act now as radical s ocialists, Greens, anarchists and wannabes are laying siege to democracy, the rule of law and insulting to the overwhelming support of resource development by indigenous groups. Why are the majority of voices in favour of this not behing heard? https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/chief-meeting-mohawks-1.5466109 In the midt of Saturday's meeting, Wet'suwet'en hereditary Chief Woos, who also goes by the name of Frank Alec, was patched through on a speaker phone. He told the room that the RCMP was still on his territory. "I would suggest to you loud and clear that we want the RCMP out of Gidimt'en territory," said Woos. An audio recording of part of the meeting was leaked to CBC News by a source who attended.

I love it when the environmental protestors break up camp, leaving mounds of plastic garbage behind.