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The history of rights is very interesting, i've studied it. Western governments used to oppress their people arbitrarily all the time, as in the days when kings and queens ruled. It was like Iran or China, people would disappear in the night, or held in jail indefinitely without charge, or intimidated by police if you held unpopular opinions about the government or any matter. The USA was formed as a kingless republic because they hated the english king, he took their rights away, so they invented a system that would prevent any one person or branch of government from having too much power like a king would. The popular George Washington voluntarily stepped down after 2 terms because he didn't want to have a "reign" like a king. In England, human rights were created shortly after periods where kings/queens did very bad things and the people rebelled and killed the king or removed them or exiled them and then put in new rules so the next monarch couldn't do the same. People take their freedoms for granted and let governments make all sorts of laws that restrict their natural-born freedoms. Everyone is born free by the laws of nature until some government makes a law and decides you can't do something and if you do it they'll send men with clubs and guns to your door and if you still resist they'll beat you or shoot you and throw you in a cell until you comply. That's what a law is, it's force of compliance by threat of violence, so we need to be darn careful whenever we decide to make a law.

So you want to ensure ISIS has it's rights protected ? Well, you are indeed a beacon of freedom then. I honestly don't give a lark about this, except if it makes trolls cry I will be delighted. Liars have already said that I want to ban ideas I don't *like* so why the hell not ? You free speech folks blew it with me when you were irresponsible about speaking up about bad speech: you see that's part of the deal of free speech, the bad speech is supposed to be called out. You had a nice toy and you didn't play right with it, or rather you gave it to Russian kids to play with and they weaponized information while you did nothing. You are to blame for this - and I don't mean your type I mean each one of you personally. In my new role as a lieutenant of the information police I'll be knocking on all your doors shortly !

Free speech isn’t a toy, it’s a right. It’s kind of scary that there are people in this country with the same view as yours. “It’s a nice toy but” could be said of anything, even individual freedom. What a terrible and shortsighted precedent to set.

This story has nothing and everything to do with Canada. It's about China's over the top response when the general manager of the Houston Rockets tweeted out a simple little support emoji for the people of Hong Kong. Most people probably aren't aware of it but the NBA has been courting China. Basketball is popular there, and the NBA sells a lot of merchandise. NBA games are on Chinese TV, and there are cooperative agreements with the Chinese' favorite teams, like the Houston Rockets. The NBA even plays exhibition games over there. This is an agreement that involves hundreds of millions of dollars. But one tweet from one GM and China, as China does, went overboard, just as it did on Canada. It condemned the tweet, removed all the Houston Rockets merchandise from sale in China or on Chinese web sites, cancelled their cooperation agreement with the Rockets, and cancelled their coverage of the NBA pre-season games. In addition, all the NBA's Chinese business partners have no cut ties with the NBA. The article cited links to others which demonstrate China's bizarre sense of victimhood (hello Donald Trump), and the way their government stokes that sense of victimhood and outrage at any sort of 'humiliation' by foreigners. No matter how slight, the Chinese government blows it up into a huge incident, demanding apologies and promises to never again dare to offend them. And this is so routine there that you can easily see how they're able to cow other companies and countries into silence because even the slightest criticism brings the threat of massive retaliation. Which means that those people who think that all Canada has to do is extradite Meng Wanzhou to the US and things will get back to normal are engaging in wishful thinking. It is clear that the only relationship China accepts, with foreign companies or foreign countries is one of meek servility. Even without the extradition case, even if we decided to send her back to China instead, all future relationships with China, even with some sort of signed trade agreements, will be contingent upon Canada keeping its mouth shut about Chinese human rights abuses and its militant behavior towards other countries, and meekly accepting whatever insults and violations of that agreement the Chinese decide to issue and make. And yet Trudeau, and to some degree, Scheer, still seem to be under the illusion that if they just flatter and cajole the Chinese, and don't respond to their numerous insults directed at Canada, we can somehow 'mend' our relationship and then move on to ever greater trade. China's behaviour says otherwise. You either stand up to China, or act like China's bitch. It seems clear that Trudeau is quite happy to be China's bitch. I don't think the rest of Canada agrees. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/08/chinas-reaction-to-the-nba-is-the-wake-up-call-the-world-needed.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/09/nearly-all-of-the-nbas-chinese-partners-have-cut-ties-with-the-league.html

Many on the left in America feel the same, but this is why the first amendment comes first, the founders knew that speech would have to be protected from the rule of a mob.

The problem is that you’re basically advocating for a ministry of truth to let everyone know what is false and what isn’t. False stories have been published in the press, etc since the invention of the printing press. That’s why there are libel laws etc. But we’re not talking about major media like the Toronto Sun, were talking about individual private citizens on a private media platform.

Agreed.

Yes, but in this case it’s not the private media platform enforcing their own standard, it’s the government. People are concerned that it won’t be evenly applied, as well as hate speech definitions being completely subjective.

For reference ... https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-319.html Criminal Code of Canada: Public incitement of hatred 319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction. Wilful promotion of hatred (2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction. Defences (3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2) (a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true; (b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text; (c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or (d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada. Hate Speech and Freedom of Expression: Legal Boundaries in Canada Background Paper https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/201825E The Key Provisions and Case Law Which Define Hate Speech https://www.lawnow.org/the-key-provisions-and-case-law-which-define-hate-speech/ As the cases below will highlight, section 319(2) of the Criminal Code and human rights legislation (both federal and provincial) prohibiting the promotion of hatred and contempt have been challenged under section 2(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms – freedom of thought, belief, opinion, and expression. Despite these challenges, the Supreme Court of Canada has continued to hold that limits on expression are justified and in the process have continued to flesh out what is meant by terms such as “hatred”.

Everyone, including ISIS members, are guaranteed to have their rights protected. If you break the law, you'll be charged. And when you're charged, you still have certain rights of due process etc. The Canadian government is perfectly entitled to regulate Canadian social media companies and make sure people aren't breaking the law online. That includes the things mentioned, like threatening violence or terrorism or other illegal speech that isn't protected by law. Not all speech is legal. I can't threaten to rape you, even though I think you're sexy Michael. Just don't mess with legal speech, we need to do everything to defend the expression of offensive but legal opinions and ideas against tyrannical government censorship. That's why free speech rights exist in the first place.

The public is always going to be armed in some form or another, be it a hunting rifle or wpns buried in the back yard....besides it does not matter how many rounds your magazine holds or the rate of fire, it was once the basic infantry standard to fire 12 rounds a minute from a bolt action rifle...thats with 3 x 5 round mags reloads , all well aimed shots...its always about the shooter, never about the wpn... I think there are more than just militia groups out there that will be effected by a ban.....they should be in the same group of fire arms owners as , preppers, survivalists, they just want to be prepared for the next event...and they believe it is coming soon most spend a lot of money doing it, it is multi bil industries....with a huge lobby group as well ....the other group would be your collectors, and competitors who do it for a hobby, and then hunters.... they are all made up of many different people from all walks of live from all political spectrums left wing and right wing keep in mind these groups comprise of millions in the states and thousands in Canada, everyone has some sort of interest..to keep fire arms legal. we also have to remember that those days when this country was being built wpns were a way of life, you needed one to survive most were armed for some form of reason, lots of bad guys and lots of wild nature as well, lack of police or law enforcement ...today I think it comes down to being prepared, and if your not into that so be it, but should we restrict fire arms No I don't think so.... ...like an insurance policy...I Personal don't own a hand gun or an assault wpn, but the rifles I do have are accurate out to past 400 meters, don't get we wrong if I could afford one, I would get one. but in this point in my life, I'm not going to be doing that many section attacks against a dug in enemy... every year Drinking and driving have killed more people than fire arms has in Canada , at one time 4 people a day, for every day of the year...but we don't ban booze...it's only a tool, it's the tool using it that is dangerous.... https://madd.ca/pages/impaired-driving/overview/statistics/

There's no free speech on social media platforms, it's all private property.

No, I'm right. Wynne stated the obvious, that Deputy Ministers are not curriculum writers: “Ministers and deputy ministers do not write curriculum.... Curriculum is written by subject experts in conversation and in consultation with a wide array of people and curriculum is reviewed and written on an ongoing basis.” it would be accurate to say he was overseeing the whole department when the curriculum was developed, but it's ridiculous to assume he was the writer. He was the Deputy Minister. There would be writers hired for that project (probably on contract) and they would have a libel case against anyone who calls them pedophiles. The content itself is always dictated by a large development team made up of subject-area experts, which is led by a departmental project leader who specializes in that subject area. That's how it works in every province.

New Jersey Democrat is defecting to the Republican Party because of impeachment..."in your face" Nancy Pelosi !

So who should be Conservative leader? I like Rona Ambrose. She’s strong, smart, experienced, and electable. Kenny endorses her. I hope Peter MacKay doesn’t win. I still remember his fake weeping apology in the Parliament over Belinda Stronach. He couldn’t throw her under the bus fast enough. Also his weird double standard prostitution policy. Imagine it being legal to produce and sell weed but not to smoke it? That’s our current law: Prostitution remains underground and in the hands of organized crime because while earning money for sex isn’t illegal, paying for it is. This is MacKay, a fake self-righteous hypocrite. No thanks.

hey, maybe you can move in with bush_cheney2004. make Canada even better.

Typical...the election process is broken when the leftists get crushed...but fine if they win.

Why don't you try and get with the times. Last month, over 72,000 jobs were lost in Canada. Alberta is taking a chit kicking. Trudeau goes to the Canadian taxpayer's ATM bank machine every day, and takes out millions of our tax dollars so he can give it all away to refugees and the third world. You know, the people that you told me that you like to work with and help. The Canadian economy is going for one big chit thanks to your dear leader hero emperor Trudeau. This is what Canada is doing every day with itself. Playing with it's self, and playing with our tax dollars. The big whanker here is that bimbo whanker Trudeau. Boris and Trump are the real good conservative guys here. Read that and weep. I guess that Boris now being the PM of Britain can now expect from the Zio press here in Canada and Britain attacks on Boris every day, just like they keep doing with Trump every day, and hoping for Boris to commit some kind of an "impeachable" offence. Hey, they can't seem to get Trump on anything, but maybe that can now work on Boris. Those liberal/socialists/communists sure can give this conservative a mighty good laugh. They are such silly talking and silly looking people. Just saying.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/6294905/andrew-scheer-private-school-funds/amp/ Well that's going to be bad for conservatives for quite a while.

I like her.

Poor Andrew Scheer...he didn't realize that in Canada, having American citizenship is a far greater sin than wearing brownface/blackface and the Afro wig.

No, he quit rather than allow a very divisive time leading up to a review that could've torn the party apart. This now leads the way for them to select someone who can beat Trudeau.

He certainly fell on his sword for the good of the party, he is a good man. Now the fun begins.

Mr. Sheer has demonstrated the strength and wisedom to put the Party first. His greatest achievement for the CPC was to save us from Bernier who would have driven the Party to an extinction which would have made the Kim Campbell disaster look like a landslide by comparison.

It all depends on what side of the political fence one is sitting on. If you are Trudeau, and you are a part of the liberal elite swamp, then he gets a pass, and he will be forgiven for his sins. If one is a Canadian hockey coach, who it would appear has no political clout, then there will be open season on him, and there will be no forgiveness, and his sins must be exposed and dealt him with serious penalty results. Don Cherry found that out. The "Me too" movement is like the rest of those other politically correct movements out there. Most movements are created to try and cause division and hatred, and get the sheeple to fight against one another over this or that while the elite slide up the middle and hang onto control and power over we the sheeple. It works all the time for them.

So we should jail boxers and martial artists? Watching sports is somehow immoral? You seem to have no concept of healthy competition and healthy struggle... You are a living embodiment of the "everyone should have a trophy and we should have no roughhousing in case anybody gets hurt or anyone's feelings get hurt" mentality.... This is a cultural malady.

So uttering the "N-word" ten years ago is worse than wearing blackface twenty years ago ? Babcock for prime minister !

Sport is supposed to be fun. It is just a game. Attempting to hurt an opponant is cheating in its worst form. A coach's first responsiblity is to ensure his/her players are enjoying playing the game while teaching the skills neccessary to enhance the game. Fighting is assault and should result in jail time, on or off the ice. I find it disturbing that we would rather pay to watch a sport than actually go out and play. I live for skiing but I would never pay to watch it. Avery Brundage had many disgusting faults but time has proven him right on one thing, money ruins sport.

It's a five minute penalty and there is an instigator rule. Encouraged my ass, they have practically nerfed fighting out of hockey and you still complain. This is why you can't give the Millenials anything, they keep wanting to water down the game more and more, no matter how many previous concessions have been made. There is more sportsmanship in hockey than any other major stick and ball sport, so I don't know what you're blathering about there either. Antithesis of sportsmanship, what a clown show.

Speed, skill, teamwork, discipline, strategy, endurance, strength, courage.... hockey is Canada’s sport. Sportsmanship is a quality of the athlete and the team. Hockey and every other sport has examples of fine and poor sportsmanship. Maligning the entire sport of hockey represents ignorance and bad faith.

I did 3 tours over there, I think I can safely say that Canada bugged out early, while there was still work to be done, lots of work....we left our allies and the people of Afghanistan in a lurch "because the Canadian public said they didn't have any appetite for it is false" , they didn't give a sweet Fanny's f*** about Afghanistan or it's people, let alone it's military ....The entire conflict for the most part came out of DND's Budget , the blood , sweat, tears was paid in full by it soldiers.....the soldier's even though their country had long ago forgotten about Afghanistan had made this conflict their own....that includes a lot of winning the hearts and minds by building schools , the purchasing of fire trucks ambulances normally made by foreign affairs was out of soldiers pockets.....who gave that money freely , no strings attached, very rarely did foreign affairs put in any dollars of their own for those projects....... Now there was a few groups of Canadians back home who knitted hats and gloves so we could give them out to afghan children , there was also hundreds of parcels for the troops, filled with goodies, for that thank you very much.... other than that this was not a Canadian conflict, it was left in DND's hands to run.....we use to get the news via VHS tapes from Canada a week behind most soldiers stop watching them because of the negativity coming out of the Canadian public about the mission ....we loved the hockey games but the news from home sucked ass...So the soldiers had an attitude, we took this mission on, it became our mission, the rest of Canada could blow it out there ass, we did the lifting, we made the policy, we made things happen...except when it come down to buying life saving equipment without the support of the people back home the answer was always no.....not until enough soldiers had been killed, or had paid the price and then it was always to little , and way to late.. And ya 10 years is a lot of time, considering every year and a half my BN was being asked to provide men for the mission...some soldiers have 8 and 9 tours of duty...with the average soldier having 3 to 5 tours...think about that for a minute....when you say soldiers did not have an appetite for this mission.....those numbers have got to say something most Canadians all they had to do was watch the news, and pay some taxes, I think someone worked it out to 20 dollars a year for every Canadian. WOW, in my opinion that gave you seat to watch, nothing more... We had to much invested in Afghanistan to leave when they wanted us to, we wanted to finish the commitment and to honor those that did not make it home... even that was snatched away from us...we arrive home only now we have to fight our government for benefits we once already had.. we fight to gain access to mental health offices, we fight VAC because they have cheap out on payments for our wounded...forcing vets with missing limbs to prove every year that some miracle they have not grown back.. and the Canadian public is AWOL on all those matters.... ..Justins famous speech " because you are asking for more than we can give right now....weeks before the election was called a liberal spending spree managed to burn through 12.5 bil dollars.....and over the next 4 years he is planning to spend another 100 bil dollars and still vets are in courts , and they still don't have anything to give us right now...

Hey we did the same thing, Canadian CSOR training teams were doing the same things as their US counter parts....we abandoned them because we had other things to do.... Before that we did the same thing in Afghanistan, packed up our shit and left before the job was done....thats how we roll...it's unprofessional, it diminishes our reputation as a nation, and as our military.... Besides it is now hockey season, and we don't give a shit about a people that turkey has been slaughtering for decades....and then they wondering why their is some many terrorists within the Kurdish population....

Hockey is the antithesis of sportsmanship. I was brought up in the culture "it is not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game." The fact that crimminal assault and battery is not just permitted but encouraged should be enough to question its existance.