Canada Federal Carbon Dioxide CO2 Tax

[Michael Hardner]

40 minutes ago, Hates politicians said:

Becauee politicians like you wpewing too uch hot air

Wow.  Wow.. and 'what' ?  That's my response.

[Michael Hardner]

39 minutes ago, Hates politicians said:

Well your saying leave oil in the ground, so put your money where your mouth is. We will go back to the stone age without oil.

I didn't say that.  We'll actually go back to the 'steam' age, my unspellchecked friend.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I didn't say that.  We'll actually go back to the 'steam' age, my unspellchecked friend.

You can't boil water without heat.

Coal is probably your best bet...

[Zeitgeist]

If we're going to continue to use combustion engines, natural gas is the cleanest combustible.  Oil is cleaner than coal, though they're not really used for the same things, except in the case of heating. 

Edited October 25, 2018 by Zeitgeist

[August1991]

Bump.

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We now have a federal excise tax - 10 cents per litre.

This is a CO2 tax.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Hates politicians said:

So let me get this right. Your going to stop driving a vehicle, stop riding in a vehicle stop using paved roads, stop heating your home, stop using anything made from oil. Is this correct?

No, I'd stop sending fossil fuels to places like China and India. Pay attention.

Edited October 25, 2018 by eyeball

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, bcsapper said:

You can't boil water without heat.

Coal is probably your best bet...

Wood.

[Centerpiece]

11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Pretty stupid and ignorant statement: temperatures increase under the greenhouse effect, which can be shown in a lab.  Humans are releasing greenhouse gasses, and the graph  of emissions correlates with the temperature increase.

Your pronouncement is an empty observation.  We know why temperatures are increasing.

Wrong. We are a contributing factor - to what level is still unknown. Scientists admit that at least the last decade has shown a marked decrease in the amount of warming. Their theory is that the "extra heat" is in the deep oceans - although they don't yet know how to effectively prove it. But it matters not - this topic is about the futility of Climate plans in the context of the Armageddon prediction of the IPCC that we must cut our global emissions in half by 2030.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

Wrong. We are a contributing factor - to what level is still unknown. Scientists admit that at least the last decade has shown a marked decrease in the amount of warming. Their theory is that the "extra heat" is in the deep oceans - although they don't yet know how to effectively prove it. But it matters not - this topic is about the futility of Climate plans in the context of the Armageddon prediction of the IPCC that we must cut our global emissions in half by 2030.

Its even more futile talking about this in the context of predictions that climate plans spell economic Armageddon.

You can have a natural ecosystem without a human economy but not the other way around.  That's not just a bumper sticker slogan its a real physical fact. 

Edited October 25, 2018 by eyeball

[Centerpiece]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Its even more futile talking about this in the context of predictions that climate plans spell economic Armageddon.

You can have a natural ecosystem without a human economy but not the other way around.  That's not just a bumper sticker slogan its a real physical fact. 

Climate Plans don't spell Armageddon - they are useful tools for useful idiots to balance out their socialistic equality. Strangle the western economies and let the developing world "catch up" with green energy funded by sucker nations. And all coordinated by politicians jockeying for electoral advantage and the United Nations. What could possibly go wrong with that? 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Centerpiece said:

Climate Plans don't spell Armageddon - they are useful tools for useful idiots to balance out their socialistic equality. Strangle the western economies and let the developing world "catch up" with green energy funded by sucker nations. And all coordinated by politicians jockeying for electoral advantage and the United Nations. What could possibly go wrong with that? 

It went wrong years ago when people like you started endlessly throwing statements like "they are useful tools for useful idiots to balance out their socialistic equality"  into the discussion.

Like I said its utterly futile discussing anything.

[taxme]

On 10/24/2018 at 11:43 AM, Spiderfish said:

I have one better... Ralph Goodale on twitter yesterday announced this carbon tax plan as "a major new federal payment going to every household in Sask!!"

What...huh??  I thought it was a tax...turns out according to Liberals, it's a major new payment going to all families.  Phew, for a minute there I was worried.

I am a bit curious though, how does paying citizens more than they collect from them in carbon tax supposed to discourage people from emitting so-called "carbon pollution"?  And wasn't this supposed to be revenue neutral??  Right...

The only thing that I can suggest to you here is that you will have to ask the likes of liberal Goodale and Trudeau as to what the hell they both are doing or talking about here? Stealing more money from the taxpayer's and then giving some back?  So, why even bother at all with applying another tax anyway and giving some back? These leftist liberal fools need to go. They all are just tax crazy in their heads.They just keep showing us all as to just how incompetent and cuckoo crazy ass politicians they can be. And there are still some Canadians who still support those deplorable people in the liberal party. Incredible indeed. 

Trudeau reminds me of Kim Il Jung of North Korea. They both grew up with silver spoons in their mouths and both had communist minded fathers who have no clue as to how to go about running a country in a common sense manner except maybe how to send a country and it's citizen's into chaos and poverty and eventual communist bankruptcy for us all.

I am curious as to how the liberal party got this far in life with so little to offer we the people. I am still waiting for some liberal supporters here who can tell me as to what the liberals have done that was good and great for Canada and Canadians besides giving us same sex marriage. Where are they? I am still waiting and probably will be waiting forever.  Sad indeed alright. 

[taxme]

23 hours ago, GostHacked said:

To add to this, is that it won't solve a damn thing. People will simply pay more to pollute. Put a monetary value on it and it will lose all value. I don't really think the Cap n Trade deal was a solution either. Corps will pay to pollute, and find loop holes to get their money back at tax time. 

Thanks to a carbon tax put on gasoline in British Columbia many years ago we now pay $1.50 a liter in BC. Apparently, it goes up two cents every year for eternity. If any taxpayer's that are being robbed in Canada it is the people of BC. BC and Canada truly do need a taxpayer party that will cut taxes and not keep increasing them. I wish that Bernier had called his party a taxpayer's/people party. I think that would have done well for him. 

Corporations do not mind paying more corporate taxes and have more environmental laws applied. They can afford it where the average Joe and Mary small time business people cannot afford the taxes and be able to adhere to all the environmental rules and regulations and taxes that are stifling big time economic growth in Canada. The environmentalists and the native Indians are against any kinds of growth. Just saying from my observations. 

[taxme]

4 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

Climate Plans don't spell Armageddon - they are useful tools for useful idiots to balance out their socialistic equality. Strangle the western economies and let the developing world "catch up" with green energy funded by sucker nations. And all coordinated by politicians jockeying for electoral advantage and the United Nations. What could possibly go wrong with that? 

You know that if you keep talking sense and logic and telling it like it is you may just end up being called a racist or something else nasty like that. There are many out there who do not like to hear common sense and logic all that much anymore especially if one attacks the 3rd world and their disasters being created by them towards the environment. They like to hear more foolish and emotional talk that keeps coming from our leftist liberal media and our leftist liberal politicians. The other side of the story is just not there for them. One side will do fine for them, thank you.  

[taxme]

7 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

Wrong. We are a contributing factor - to what level is still unknown. Scientists admit that at least the last decade has shown a marked decrease in the amount of warming. Their theory is that the "extra heat" is in the deep oceans - although they don't yet know how to effectively prove it. But it matters not - this topic is about the futility of Climate plans in the context of the Armageddon prediction of the IPCC that we must cut our global emissions in half by 2030.

So called green house gasses are contributing to the growth world wide of more trees and plants and grass. That cannot be all that bad, can it? More trees means that we get to breath more oxygen and get to live and stay alive. I say bring on more greenhouse gasses.  

So today the temperature in the Arctic in winter is 30F below. And tomorrow thanks to greenhouse gasses the temperature will be two degrees warmer. WOW. There should be a lot of snow and ice melting at those warmer temperatures. LOL. 

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

Scientists admit that at least the last decade has shown a marked decrease in the amount of warming.

Are you saying that the temperature is still increasing but more slowly ?  Please give a cite.

[bush_cheney2004]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

...So today the temperature in the Arctic in winter is 30F below. And tomorrow thanks to greenhouse gasses the temperature will be two degrees warmer. WOW. There should be a lot of snow and ice melting at those warmer temperatures. LOL. 

 

Indeed...but not enough for the rabid climate change alarmists, who are trying to convince us of their dystopian belief in "peoplekind" being wiped out because of climate change.

The impassioned pleas and fear of certain doom for all humans is not only extreme, but most deserving of challenge and ridicule.

Even the polar bears are laughing at them.

Edited October 26, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[Centerpiece]

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Are you saying that the temperature is still increasing but more slowly ?  Please give a cite.

Yes - I am. Do you disagree or find it hard to believe? If so, I'll give you a cite. 

Edited October 26, 2018 by Centerpiece

[Hates politicians]

20 hours ago, taxme said:

So called green house gasses are contributing to the growth world wide of more trees and plants and grass. That cannot be all that bad, can it? More trees means that we get to breath more oxygen and get to live and stay alive. I say bring on more greenhouse gasses.  

So today the temperature in the Arctic in winter is 30F below. And tomorrow thanks to greenhouse gasses the temperature will be two degrees warmer. WOW. There should be a lot of snow and ice melting at those warmer temperatures. LOL. 

The arctic as a tropical climate at one time. There were no people to make it that way. So now nature is doing its thing and making changes. There have also been 3 ice ages again no around to blame that on. Most of north america was covered y oceans too. Thats how we ended up with oil millions and billion of yers later. Climate change is natural

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Hates politicians said:

The arctic as a tropical climate at one time. There were no people to make it that way. So now nature is doing its thing and making changes. There have also been 3 ice ages again no around to blame that on. Most of north america was covered y oceans too. Thats how we ended up with oil millions and billion of yers later. Climate change is natural

Some is.  The change that we influence isn't. 

Unless it can be claimed that we are perfectly natural, therefore so is what we do.

[DogOnPorch]

9 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Some is.  The change that we influence isn't. 

Unless it can be claimed that we are perfectly natural, therefore so is what we do.

 

Some folks didn't get the memo re: birth control in the 1960s-70s....less was better: our motto back then. 

Now we are told the exact opposite...and btw...you're paying so Red China can turn rivers purple.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Some folks didn't get the memo re: birth control in the 1960s-70s....less was better: our motto back then. 

Now we are told the exact opposite...and btw...you're paying so Red China can turn rivers purple.

I know.  I've been an advocate of forced sterilization for some time now.

Aerosols.  That's probably how I'd do it.

 

As for China, they just figure if they keep the hole in the ozone layer open, the population problem will take care of itself.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44738952

Edited October 26, 2018 by bcsapper

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I know.  I've been an advocate of forced sterilization for some time now.

Aerosols.  That's probably how I'd do it.

 

As for China, they just figure if they keep the hole in the ozone layer open, the population problem will take care of itself.

 

Call me crazy...but the only reason we have millions coming here is to pay-off an ever growing pension requirement....which keeps growing...and needing more to pay into it. So bring in even more...that should fix it. It surely can't be the lucrative taxi driver jobs we offer...well until robots take over the work...which we've all been promised WILL HAPPEN. Soon, even...

Have a beer...what? Carbon tax on that too?? Bastards!

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Have a beer...what? Carbon tax on that too?? Bastards!

 

Indeed.....George Harrison wrote about it long ago....true then...true now:

 

Quote

Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

 

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

 

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

 

Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

 

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me.

 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Call me crazy...but the only reason we have millions coming here is to pay-off an ever growing pension requirement....which keeps growing...and needing more to pay into it. So bring in even more...that should fix it. It surely can't be the lucrative taxi driver jobs we offer...well until robots take over the work...which we've all been promised WILL HAPPEN. Soon, even...

Have a beer...what? Carbon tax on that too?? Bastards!

Yeah, but they're calling it a carbonation tax to soften the blow...