bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 11 minutes ago, Wilber said: It seems that you think any attempt to at least slow down the effect humans are having on climate is just pissing in the wind. What's your plan, just stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye? Yes...that is exactly my plan. Do gooders can suffer on a low carbon diet if they want to. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dialamah Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 A friend is a scientist involved in studying the effects of climate change. Happened to be talking to her about climate change just yesterday, and mentioned I'd read that it could be an extinction level event for humans. She replied "It is an extinction event, it's already starting, but the earth has gone through these before, so the earth itself will be fine." She went on to discuss mitigation research and possibilities, so I guess in her mind at least there's still hope. Still, I did find that statement a bit shocking ... not a warm and fuzzy moment, that's for sure. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 Humans are just a speck on the earth's geologic time scale...quite insignificant really. "Climate Change" now ?....the earth laughs ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, dialamah said: A friend is a scientist involved in studying the effects of climate change. Happened to be talking to her about climate change just yesterday, and mentioned I'd read that it could be an extinction level event for humans. She replied "It is an extinction event, it's already starting, but the earth has gone through these before, so the earth itself will be fine." She went on to discuss mitigation research and possibilities, so I guess in her mind at least there's still hope. Still, I did find that statement a bit shocking ... not a warm and fuzzy moment, that's for sure. Right. There is absolutely no reason, beyong that provided by religion, for believing we are special. The Earth can't get any bigger. We are a destructive force. Those two statements are facts. Eventually there will be enough of us that the Earth can no longer mitigate the effect we have. Quote
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes...that is exactly my plan. Do gooders can suffer on a low carbon diet if they want to. I'll probably be gone within 25 years but I have grandchildren. If that makes me a do gooder, so be it. Edited March 18, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: I'll probably be gone within 25 years but I have grandchildren. If that makes me a do goober, so be it. Knock yourself out....it it makes you feel good. Doesn't mean I have to. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 2 hours ago, herples said: China is implementing a carbon tax and India already has one in which Modi increased the price for. China and India plan to continue to drastically increase CO2 emissions for the next three decades. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 54 minutes ago, dialamah said: A friend is a scientist involved in studying the effects of climate change. Happened to be talking to her about climate change just yesterday, and mentioned I'd read that it could be an extinction level event for humans. She replied "It is an extinction event, it's already starting, but the earth has gone through these before, so the earth itself will be fine." So will humans. Huge chunks of the earth are too cold now for anyone to live there. Does your friend think it's going to get to 60 degrees Celsius in the Arctic? If not then people will survive. And hey, if the doomsayers are right then huge chunks of the population will die which will reduce CO2 emissions and bring the temperature back down again! Yay! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
OftenWrong Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Argus said: China and India plan to continue to drastically increase CO2 emissions for the next three decades. Fly in the leftist ointment Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, Argus said: China and India plan to continue to drastically increase CO2 emissions for the next three decades. 18 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Fly in the leftist ointment Chewy air...purple rivers. Well, there's yer problem. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Argus said: China and India plan to continue to drastically increase CO2 emissions for the next three decades. India has one of the highest carbon taxes in the world. China has carbon trading and is looking at implementing a carbon tax as well. We won't be able to blame it on the other guys forever. Edited March 18, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Wilber said: India has one of the highest carbon taxes in the world. China has carbon trading and is looking at implementing a carbon tax as well. India is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. As far as I know what they call a carbon tax we call a gas tax. Nobody seems to count our provincial gas taxes, which often increase the cost of fuel by a third, as a carbon tax, so why should we call their gas tax a carbon tax? And it's not high on coal, I guarantee that. As for China, give me a break, they lie about everything to do with the environment, and what is 'carbon trading' when all large companies are owned or controlled by the government? It's just moving money around like a shell game. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Argus said: India is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. As far as I know what they call a carbon tax we call a gas tax. Nobody seems to count our provincial gas taxes, which often increase the cost of fuel by a third, as a carbon tax, so why should we call their gas tax a carbon tax? And it's not high on coal, I guarantee that. As for China, give me a break, they lie about everything to do with the environment, and what is 'carbon trading' when all large companies are owned or controlled by the government? It's just moving money around like a shell game. The world's CO2 emissions have been flat the past few years even with 3% annual GDP growth, China's have actually gone down a little, although India'a have gone up. Steps many countries are taking are having an effect and real progress is possible with some commitment. Global CO2 Emissions Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 I'm sure China and India will get right to work on GHG emissions, even though those nations lag far behind other developed nations for GHG emissions per capita: Quote Canadian GHG emissions grew by 26% from 1990 to 2012. However, as shown in Figure 1-4, this growth has stagnated since 2003. Figures 1-5 and 1-6 demonstrate that although Canada is not a major emitter compared to China and the United States, it is among the countries with the highest emissions per capita, ahead of the United States and the European Union, among others. http://www.iedm.org/56507-how-does-canada-compare-with-other-countries-in-terms-of-ghg-emissions Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 Seems like China already is. Their reduction in emissions is due to reduced use of coal. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 46 minutes ago, Wilber said: Seems like China already is. Their reduction in emissions is due to reduced use of coal. And has nothing to do with Paris or climate change....more to do with air pollution. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: And has nothing to do with Paris or climate change....more to do with air pollution. Who cares. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: Who cares. Face mask vendors in Shanghai. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
August1991 Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Posted March 19, 2017 On 7/18/2012 at 6:00 PM, August1991 said: .... But for gasoline, the 10 cent federal excise tax is the equivalent of a CO2 tax. In Kyoto terms, we're compliant. Maybe I have posted this elsewhere - but it needs re-stating, even in 2017: the 10 cent federal excise tax on gasoline amounts to a CO2 (carbon dioxide) tax. ==== BTW: We do not want to tax carbon. We want to reduce carbon dioxide emissions. Quote
Wilber Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, August1991 said: Maybe I have posted this elsewhere - but it needs re-stating, even in 2017: the 10 cent federal excise tax on gasoline amounts to a CO2 (carbon dioxide) tax. ==== BTW: We do not want to tax carbon. We want to reduce carbon dioxide emissions. No, it is a tax on gasoline. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
August1991 Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Posted March 19, 2017 16 minutes ago, Wilber said: No, it is a tax on gasoline. The 10 cent federal excise tax per litre of gasoline amounts to a tax on CO2. Quote
Wilber Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, August1991 said: The 10 cent federal excise tax per litre of gasoline amounts to a tax on CO2. Gasoline is only one source of CO2 emissions. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
cannuck Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 You/we can call any tax anything you/we want. There are no dedicated taxes in Canada - everything goes into the same general revenue fund to be pissed away by the same morons who have run our grand children a trillion dollars into debt. 1 Quote
Argus Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 16 hours ago, Wilber said: Seems like China already is. Their reduction in emissions is due to reduced use of coal. And a slowing economy... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 22 minutes ago, Argus said: And a slowing economy... Just not growing as fast, but still growing. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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