The COVID 'lab leak' theory debunked in two minutes.

[Legato]

[gatomontes99]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Your scenario would require EVIDENCE that "that someone from the lab" was sick with SYMPTOMS of the COVID virus prior to ANYONE else. Duh

Do you have ANY evidence of that?

Yes! Do you not read???

Report says researchers went to hospital in November 2019, shortly before confirmed outbreak; adds to calls for probe of whether virus escaped lab

And that will be the last time he replies to me in this thread. 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

That's interesting.

Especially considering the average number of flu deaths per year is roughly 650,000. But in 2022 there were only about 20,000 flu deaths recorded.

Don't you find that interesting Mike?

I find it interesting that you don't understand people wearing masks EVERYWHERE would reduce FLU and COVID deaths, dropout.

AND maybe there was a surge in people getting flu vaccines. 

[robosmith]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No. But playing silly games with little children who cant admit they were wrong, is a waste of my time.

Man-up.

You never admit you're wrong even when you're caught dead to rights.

Like what it costs kids to play basketball at Obama's Presdidential Center.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

You never admit you're wrong even when you're caught dead to rights.

Like what it costs kids to play basketball at Obama's Presdidential Center.

$26 to see Barry's tomb.

Have a ball Chicago.

[gatomontes99]

9 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

And that will be the last time he replies to me in this thread. 

Called it.

[Goddess]

12 hours ago, Legato said:

That study was done by Henry Ford Health and the authors didn't want to release the results because of the outcome, they were afraid they'd be blacklisted.

entered-into-hearing-record-impact-of-childhood-vaccination-on-short-and-long-term-chronic-health-outcomes-in-children-a-birth-cohort-study.pdf

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

I find it interesting that you don't understand people wearing masks EVERYWHERE would reduce FLU and COVID deaths, dropout.

 

But it doesn't. The University of Berkeley research as well as a couple of other papers demonstrated that wearing a mask made almost no difference whatsoever in most circumstances.

At best it would increase the amount of time you would need to be exposed in order to catch a significant dose in very closed quarters such as a personal office. And even in those circumstances it would simply raise the amount of time needed to catch the virus from about 15 minutes to about 30 minutes. Useful if you were going to stick your head in someone's office to talk to them for a minute but that's about it

 

[Michael Hardner]

@Goddess 

"estimated vaccine deaths 17 million"

I traced this back through Google to this person:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Rancourt

It's just bad information practice to take statistics from a single person, especially when they're out of the subject matter they're expert in.  I would generously call this person a 'gadfly'.

Objectivity is pretty hard to achieve.  I would definitely entertain a discussion on the biases of the establishment, economists, public health experts and experts in general.

But I have to say if you're drawn to a gadfly who has such a strong clash of opinions with a large consensus (and this person Rancourt does it with Climate Change as well, apparently) then you have to check why that is.

I'm trying to be respectful here in pointing out the difficulty of discussing this topic without a strong foundation of common knowledge and methods.

Edited Friday at 02:20 PM by Michael Hardner

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

@Goddess 

"estimated vaccine deaths 17 million"

I traced this back through Google to this person:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Rancourt

It's just bad information practice to take statistics from a single person, especially when they're out of the subject matter they're expert in.  I would generously call this person a 'gadfly'.

Objectivity is pretty hard to achieve.  I would definitely entertain a discussion on the biases of the establishment, economists, public health experts and experts in general.

But I have to say if you're drawn to a gadfly who has such a strong clash of opinions with a large consensus (and this person Rancourt does it with Climate Change as well, apparently) then you have to check why that is.

I'm trying to be respectful here in pointing out the difficulty of discussing this topic without a strong foundation of common knowledge and methods.

You have never entertained discussion on the basis of the establishment economists public health experts or any experts in general.

In fact you almost never present anything from any of those sources. All you do is disparage other people and their point of view without advancing your own arguments. In short you argue by attacking others, not by reason or logic. And that's when you're not just simply saying why are we even talking about this

Very hypocritical mike. You once again demand that others present an argument rather than present your own so that you can simply dismiss it out of hand and pretend that you've won.

[Legato]

22 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That study was done by Henry Ford Health and the authors didn't want to release the results because of the outcome, they were afraid they'd be blacklisted.

entered-into-hearing-record-impact-of-childhood-vaccination-on-short-and-long-term-chronic-health-outcomes-in-children-a-birth-cohort-study.pdf

Yes I have the pdf it's a good read.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

$26 to see Barry's tomb.

Have a ball Chicago.

But NOT to play basketball, LIAR. No local kid is going to pay anything to go to the museum.

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

But NOT to play basketball, LIAR. No local kid is going to pay anything to go to the museum.

Lol..."NOT to play basketball".

Barry's tomb is ugly...they spent too much...charge too much...and its a flop-and-a-half.!

[robosmith]

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol..."NOT to play basketball".

Barry's tomb is ugly...they spent too much...charge too much...and its a flop-and-a-half.!

Your OPINIONS mean nothing on the South side of Chicago.

They are happy to have a local library and recreation center that is FREE.

If you don't like, stay away and leave more room for the LOCALS. It's really none of your business.

[WestCanMan]

On 6/24/2026 at 3:54 PM, robosmith said:

Early cases of SARS-CoV-2 clustered tightly around the western section of the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market in Wuhan

You stupid little Xi-puppet.. FYI "early cases of SARS-CoV-2 clustered tightly inside of the..."only place they were allowed to look 🤣

In case you forgot, investigators weren't allowed in for several weeks, and then when they were, they were only allowed to investigate certain areas.

Also, China's guy, Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, was the head of United Nations' global health department at the time. They lobbied extensively to get him into that role.

Dr Peter Daszak was one of the investigators, and he was also involved in the Wuhan Lab experiments, so for him to point to a zoonotic origin was like a self-exoneration. 

In case you missed it: China's appointee was in charge of the whole show, their own Dr Wannian was one of the 2 chief investigators, and Fauci's guy Daszak was one of the main investigators.

Were you expecting them to say "We're all guilty"?

 

January: a murder

Also January: "Your team can't come here until February to look for evidence of the murder, officer robosmith. And you're only allowed to look in that part the living room. Uhhhh, for no particular reason."

Officer robosmith: "Ok, director robosminth, bro. Say Hi to mom when you get there for dinner."

February: "Evidence of the murder was tightly clustered in the living room, so we now know that is where the murder occurred. My brother and I have been ruled out as suspects in the murder that happened in his house." - officer robosmith

 

Do you see where your logical flaw occurred, robo? No? 

If Trump was allowed to tell people where they were allowed to look for evidence of collusion, and then Eric was one of the investigators, how confident would you be about the legitimacy of the investigation?

 

Early cases of SARS-CoV-2 clustered tightly inside of the Wuhan lab in fall of 2019.

• U.S. intelligence agencies reported that multiple WIV researchers - such as Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu - fell ill with COVID-like or seasonal flu symptoms in the autumn of 2019, and some or all were hospitalized. Two of them denied falling ill, and they claimed to all test negative for Covid antibodies in March, but why did they get tested if they were never ill? They theoretically got tested in March, and that was before the US intelligence agencies went public with that info.

 

You're re-litigating this with your own cherry-picked info, while leaving out the key points against your bullshit theory. 

Edited Friday at 04:47 PM by WestCanMan

[robosmith]

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You stupid little Xi-puppet.. FYI "early cases of SARS-CoV-2 clustered tightly inside of the..."only place they were allowed to look 🤣

In case you forgot, investigators weren't allowed in for several weeks, and then when they were, they were only allowed to investigate certain areas.

Also, China's guy, Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, was the head of United Nations' global health department at the time. They lobbied extensively to get him into that role.

Dr Peter Daszak was one of the investigators, and he was also involved in the Wuhan Lab experiments, so for him to point to a zoonotic origin was like a self-exoneration. 

In case you missed it: China's appointee was in charge of the whole show, their own Dr Wannian was one of the 2 chief investigators, and Fauci's guy Daszak was one of the main investigators.

Were you expecting them to say "We're all guilty"?

 

January: a murder

Also January: "Your team can't come here until February to look for evidence of the murder, officer robosmith. And you're only allowed to look in that part the living room. Uhhhh, for no particular reason."

Officer robosmith: "Ok, director robosminth, bro. Say Hi to mom when you get there for dinner."

February: "Evidence of the murder was tightly clustered in the living room, so we now know that is where the murder occurred. My brother and I have been ruled out as suspects in the murder that happened in his house." - officer robosmith

 

Do you see where your logical flaw occurred, robo? No? 

If Trump was allowed to tell people where they were allowed to look for evidence of collusion, and then Eric was one of the investigators, how confident would you be about the legitimacy of the investigation?

 

Early cases of SARS-CoV-2 clustered tightly inside of the Wuhan lab in fall of 2019.

• U.S. intelligence agencies reported that multiple WIV researchers - such as Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu - fell ill with COVID-like or seasonal flu symptoms in the autumn of 2019, and some or all were hospitalized. Two of them denied falling ill, and they claimed to all test negative for Covid antibodies in March, but why did they get tested if they were never ill? They theoretically got tested in March, and that was before the US intelligence agencies went public with that info.

 

You're re-litigating this with your own cherry-picked info, while leaving out the key points against your bullshit theory. 

My video contains expert testimony from:

Quote

Paul A. Offit, MD

Paul A. Offit, MD, is the Director of the Vaccine Education Center and an attending physician in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

Areas of expertise: Vaccines, Infectious disease

And you post contains ONLY YOUR BULLSHIT.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Your OPINIONS mean nothing on the South side of Chicago.

 

^^^^ THIS OPINON IS BUPKIS!!!!   You can kis my bup! 

[robosmith]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

^^^^ THIS OPINON IS BUPKIS!!!!   You can kis my bup! 

Your OPINION means NOTHING on the South side of Chicago.

And I know that because I went to college there for 5 years getting my BS and MS degrees.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your OPINION means NOTHING on the South side of Chicago.

 

You DO NOT live ON the SOUTH SIDE of CHICAGO and YOU DON"T SPEAK OF THEM !! YOU are a DUNNING KRUGER!

[SpankyMcFarland]

I’m willing to regard this as an open question. Two points:

1. The collective molecular evidence gathered from sequences of the virus continues to support the wet market theory. As the years go by this is harder to ignore and the possibility that the Chinese government has been able to falsify the entire record of the virus’s origins becomes more unlikely. 

2. China does not emerge with credit either way. Firstly, the level of hygiene in these wet markets was appalling. Whether such markets should exist at all is a reasonable question. Secondly, the Chinese government suppressed early evidence of the outbreak and hinders open research into its origins to this day. 
 

 

Edited Friday at 11:32 PM by SpankyMcFarland

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

My video contains expert testimony from:

And you post contains ONLY YOUR BULLSHIT.

Was Fauci an "expert"? 

Daszak?

They were "the top experts in the US", theoretically. And now we know for a fact that they just lied to everyone about everything.

You believed their lies for years, and now you found another guy who said the same bullshit. YAY ROBO!!!

 

FYI nothing that I posted there was "my opinion" at all, it's the opinion of US intelligence agencies now. I just predicted it a long time ago.  

And it's a fact that the Chinese made inspectors wait, it's a fact that they told them where they could look, etc. 

It was a "self-exoneration" team that did the initial inspection, now your expert is just looking at their findings 🤣

 

Kick rocks, idjit. 

[robosmith]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Was Fauci an "expert"? 

Daszak?

They were "the top experts in the US", theoretically. And now we know for a fact that they just lied to everyone about everything.

You believed their lies for years, and now you found another guy who said the same bullshit. YAY ROBO!!!

 

FYI nothing that I posted there was "my opinion" at all, it's the opinion of US intelligence agencies now. I just predicted it a long time ago.  

And it's a fact that the Chinese made inspectors wait, it's a fact that they told them where they could look, etc. 

It was a "self-exoneration" team that did the initial inspection, now your expert is just looking at their findings 🤣

 

Kick rocks, idjit. 

ZERO EVIDENCE for your ^BULLSHIT AGAIN. AKA ZERO CREDIBILITY.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

ZERO EVIDENCE for your ^BULLSHIT AGAIN. AKA ZERO CREDIBILITY.

It's not my fault that basic information hasn't penetrated your bubble, dipshit.

You come here acting like an expert with all the answers and yet you still have no clue what Daszak, Morens and Fauci were up to 😂

You won't believe it from me, and CNN and CBC won't talk about it, so I guess we're at impasse????

In case you get bored one day, and wanna see what a fact looks like, here's a basic AI search, you worthless God-damned m0r0n:

• Query: "Were Fauci, Morens and Daszak caught manipulating and scheming?"
• Reply: 
  Yes. Investigations by the U.S. House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic and subsequent Department of Justice (DoJ) actions revealed that Dr. Fauci’s senior advisor (Dr. David Morens) and Dr. Peter Daszak were involved in a coordinated campaign. The revelations include: [1, 2, 3]
• Official Record Destruction: Dr. Morens admitted to using his personal Gmail account to conduct official business and deliberately deleting federal records to evade the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and shield Dr. Daszak. [1]
• Backchanneling and Collusion: Documents show Dr. Morens frequently shared confidential, internal NIH information with Dr. Daszak and offered advice on how to protect EcoHealth Alliance's suspended grants. [1, 2]
• DoJ Indictments: In April 2026, the U.S. Department of Justice criminally charged Dr. Morens with conspiracy against the United States, obstruction, and the destruction of federal records related to this alleged coverup. [1]
• While Dr. Daszak has been heavily scrutinized, recommended for prosecution, and his organization (EcoHealth Alliance) formally debarred from receiving U.S. federal funding, Dr. Fauci has consistently denied personal wrongdoing and was not criminally charged. [1, 2, 3]
  For a detailed look at the evidence compiled against the nonprofit and the officials involved, you can review the findings published by the House Oversight Committee and the subsequent DoJ Indictment Details

The only reason that Fauci wasn't indicted is because before Joe Biden left office, he fully and unconditionally pardoned Fauci for anything that he did from January 1, 2014, through January 17, 2025.

• extensive evidence uncovered by a congressional investigation shows that Fauci's senior advisor, Dr. David Moens, explicitly conspired with EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak to evade federal transparency laws and hide information regarding the origin of COVID-19 and the funding of the Wuhan Institute of Virology [which was approved by Fauci]
• Dr. David Morens was criminally indicted by a federal grand jury on charges that explicitly include the destruction, alteration, and falsification of government records. 

 

 

Daaang. Morens would be a shoo-in for a job in the FBI if Comey ever runs it again. 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's not my fault that basic information hasn't penetrated your bubble, dipshit.

You come here acting like an expert with all the answers and yet you still have no clue what Daszak, Morens and Fauci were up to 😂

You won't believe it from me, and CNN and CBC won't talk about it, so I guess we're at impasse????

In case you get bored one day, and wanna see what a fact looks like, here's a basic AI search, you worthless God-damned m0r0n:

• Query: "Were Fauci, Morens and Daszak caught manipulating and scheming?"
• Reply: 
  Yes. Investigations by the U.S. House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic and subsequent Department of Justice (DoJ) actions revealed that Dr. Fauci’s senior advisor (Dr. David Morens) and Dr. Peter Daszak were involved in a coordinated campaign. The revelations include: [1, 2, 3]
• Official Record Destruction: Dr. Morens admitted to using his personal Gmail account to conduct official business and deliberately deleting federal records to evade the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and shield Dr. Daszak. [1]
• Backchanneling and Collusion: Documents show Dr. Morens frequently shared confidential, internal NIH information with Dr. Daszak and offered advice on how to protect EcoHealth Alliance's suspended grants. [1, 2]
• DoJ Indictments: In April 2026, the U.S. Department of Justice criminally charged Dr. Morens with conspiracy against the United States, obstruction, and the destruction of federal records related to this alleged coverup. [1]
• While Dr. Daszak has been heavily scrutinized, recommended for prosecution, and his organization (EcoHealth Alliance) formally debarred from receiving U.S. federal funding, Dr. Fauci has consistently denied personal wrongdoing and was not criminally charged. [1, 2, 3]
  For a detailed look at the evidence compiled against the nonprofit and the officials involved, you can review the findings published by the House Oversight Committee and the subsequent DoJ Indictment Details

The only reason that Fauci wasn't indicted is because before Joe Biden left office, he fully and unconditionally pardoned Fauci for anything that he did from January 1, 2014, through January 17, 2025.

• extensive evidence uncovered by a congressional investigation shows that Fauci's senior advisor, Dr. David Moens, explicitly conspired with EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak to evade federal transparency laws and hide information regarding the origin of COVID-19 and the funding of the Wuhan Institute of Virology [which was approved by Fauci]
• Dr. David Morens was criminally indicted by a federal grand jury on charges that explicitly include the destruction, alteration, and falsification of government records. 

 

 

Daaang. Morens would be a shoo-in for a job in the FBI if Comey ever runs it again. 

Too bad Indictment doesn't prove guilt, and "debarrard" is ONLY something done to lawyers when they lose their license to practice law.. 

Have you never heard that a hsm sandwich can be indicted, because no defense evidence is ALLOWED? LMAO

[gatomontes99]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

Too bad Indictment doesn't prove guilt, and "debarrard" is ONLY something done to lawyers when they lose their license to practice law.. 

Have you never heard that a hsm sandwich can be indicted, because no defense evidence is ALLOWED? LMAO

Indictments still require evidence.