The COVID 'lab leak' theory debunked in two minutes.

[Legato]

[gatomontes99]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Your scenario would require EVIDENCE that "that someone from the lab" was sick with SYMPTOMS of the COVID virus prior to ANYONE else. Duh

Do you have ANY evidence of that?

Yes! Do you not read???

Report says researchers went to hospital in November 2019, shortly before confirmed outbreak; adds to calls for probe of whether virus escaped lab

And that will be the last time he replies to me in this thread. 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

That's interesting.

Especially considering the average number of flu deaths per year is roughly 650,000. But in 2022 there were only about 20,000 flu deaths recorded.

Don't you find that interesting Mike?

I find it interesting that you don't understand people wearing masks EVERYWHERE would reduce FLU and COVID deaths, dropout.

AND maybe there was a surge in people getting flu vaccines. 

[robosmith]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No. But playing silly games with little children who cant admit they were wrong, is a waste of my time.

Man-up.

You never admit you're wrong even when you're caught dead to rights.

Like what it costs kids to play basketball at Obama's Presdidential Center.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

You never admit you're wrong even when you're caught dead to rights.

Like what it costs kids to play basketball at Obama's Presdidential Center.

$26 to see Barry's tomb.

Have a ball Chicago.

[gatomontes99]

9 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

And that will be the last time he replies to me in this thread. 

Called it.

[Goddess]

12 hours ago, Legato said:

That study was done by Henry Ford Health and the authors didn't want to release the results because of the outcome, they were afraid they'd be blacklisted.

entered-into-hearing-record-impact-of-childhood-vaccination-on-short-and-long-term-chronic-health-outcomes-in-children-a-birth-cohort-study.pdf

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

I find it interesting that you don't understand people wearing masks EVERYWHERE would reduce FLU and COVID deaths, dropout.

 

But it doesn't. The University of Berkeley research as well as a couple of other papers demonstrated that wearing a mask made almost no difference whatsoever in most circumstances.

At best it would increase the amount of time you would need to be exposed in order to catch a significant dose in very closed quarters such as a personal office. And even in those circumstances it would simply raise the amount of time needed to catch the virus from about 15 minutes to about 30 minutes. Useful if you were going to stick your head in someone's office to talk to them for a minute but that's about it

 

[Michael Hardner]

@Goddess 

"estimated vaccine deaths 17 million"

I traced this back through Google to this person:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Rancourt

It's just bad information practice to take statistics from a single person, especially when they're out of the subject matter they're expert in.  I would generously call this person a 'gadfly'.

Objectivity is pretty hard to achieve.  I would definitely entertain a discussion on the biases of the establishment, economists, public health experts and experts in general.

But I have to say if you're drawn to a gadfly who has such a strong clash of opinions with a large consensus (and this person Rancourt does it with Climate Change as well, apparently) then you have to check why that is.

I'm trying to be respectful here in pointing out the difficulty of discussing this topic without a strong foundation of common knowledge and methods.

Edited 39 minutes ago by Michael Hardner

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

@Goddess 

"estimated vaccine deaths 17 million"

I traced this back through Google to this person:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Rancourt

It's just bad information practice to take statistics from a single person, especially when they're out of the subject matter they're expert in.  I would generously call this person a 'gadfly'.

Objectivity is pretty hard to achieve.  I would definitely entertain a discussion on the biases of the establishment, economists, public health experts and experts in general.

But I have to say if you're drawn to a gadfly who has such a strong clash of opinions with a large consensus (and this person Rancourt does it with Climate Change as well, apparently) then you have to check why that is.

I'm trying to be respectful here in pointing out the difficulty of discussing this topic without a strong foundation of common knowledge and methods.

You have never entertained discussion on the basis of the establishment economists public health experts or any experts in general.

In fact you almost never present anything from any of those sources. All you do is disparage other people and their point of view without advancing your own arguments. In short you argue by attacking others, not by reason or logic. And that's when you're not just simply saying why are we even talking about this

Very hypocritical mike. You once again demand that others present an argument rather than present your own so that you can simply dismiss it out of hand and pretend that you've won.

[Legato]

22 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That study was done by Henry Ford Health and the authors didn't want to release the results because of the outcome, they were afraid they'd be blacklisted.

entered-into-hearing-record-impact-of-childhood-vaccination-on-short-and-long-term-chronic-health-outcomes-in-children-a-birth-cohort-study.pdf

Yes I have the pdf it's a good read.