Poilievre vs Carney: Critical Issue

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

1. I don't think we have to look too hard to find the answer, do we...?  Politics aside, Poilievre is just one of those people that whether it be his looks, mannerism's, tone of voice, whatever....  is just hard to like. Every approval polling for the last 2 years has shown that.  

2. His 'unCanadian' character is just the past attempt to be the "Trump of Canada' as Trudeau's term was flailing and has forever screwed his political ambition of becoming our PM. Trump has made divisiveness 'cool' to some and Poilievre chose to be the clown that brought that style to his politics.  I think it's fair to say the majority of Canadian's don't like it...

1. He was more popular than the PM for a significant amount of time.  Your opinion on him is subjective, and whether or not he's "likeable" I don't think you can argue that he wasn't successful in helping to change the tone of politics.
2. Well, right now they don't.  But there has been a change and he capitalized on it.  Will Carney be able to ?

Whoever wins (the image war, not the election) will do so because they delivered something of value IMO.

[Goddess]

 

 

[Goddess]

Everywhere Carney goes, Brookfield was either just there or arrives right after him.

Every.

Single.

Time.

Right now he's in France to "deepen ties".

Is he there for Canada?  Or for this new Brookfield deal?

Brookfield Invests €30B in French AI Infrastructure

[LinkSoul60]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. He was more popular than the PM for a significant amount of time.  Your opinion on him is subjective, and whether or not he's "likeable" I don't think you can argue that he wasn't successful in helping to change the tone of politics.
2. Well, right now they don't.  But there has been a change and he capitalized on it.  Will Carney be able to ?

Whoever wins (the image war, not the election) will do so because they delivered something of value IMO.

1. His popularity can be attributed to the unpopularity of Trudeau during his last years, IMO.  When there was a viable alternative (Carney) the opinions of Poilievre reverted to where they are today.... not popular.  And yes of course my opinion of him is subjective, but does align with the majority of opinions of him.

2. Carney has already capitalized from being elected PM an approval ratings that continue to be strong.  Right or wrong I don't see the majority of Canadian's buying into divisive politics now or any time soon.

The image war is handily in Carney's favour.  Keeping it there will be the challenge if economic pressures continue....

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

1. And yes of course my opinion of him is subjective, but does align with the majority of opinions of him.

2. The image war is handily in Carney's favour.  Keeping it there will be the challenge if economic pressures continue....

 

1. I love his TV shows.  Especially when he led the team on 'Reach for the Top'
2. There would need to be a psychological pause point to lock in impressions... otherwise they're all bums when they go.

[Moonbox]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I don't think we have to look too hard to find the answer, do we...?  Politics aside, Poilievre is just one of those people that whether it be his looks, mannerism's, tone of voice, whatever....  is just hard to like. Every approval polling for the last 2 years has shown that.  

There's no mystery.  Poilievre is a mouthy worm and has a 15+ year history of being one of the least likable and most abrasive members of Parliament.  He was a notorious shrill in Harper's government, and now that he's been out front in public for a few years, the rest of Canada has seen what he's about too.  

The stupidification of the Conservative Party has only accelerated under his leadership, and the traditional Red Tories in the GTA and other urban areas want nothing to do with him.  

He's the ticket to another 4-8 years of Liberal government.  

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I love his TV shows.  Especially when he led the team on 'Reach for the Top'
2. There would need to be a psychological pause point to lock in impressions... otherwise they're all bums when they go.

1.  Not much of a TV watcher, but generally change the channel after a minute or two of him talking.  The only way he'll 'reach the top' is with a ladder.

2. The impressions have already been made, and those are difficult to change when a persons mind has formed an opinion.  How long they last in another question but I'd put money in Kalshi or polymarket that one of them won't be around  representing one party in the next federal election. The life of a politician.... hero (maybe) to zero in a relatively short period time.

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

There's no mystery.  Poilievre is a mouthy worm and has a 15+ year history of being one of the least likable and most abrasive members of Parliament.  He was a notorious shrill in Harper's government, and now that he's been out front in public for a few years, the rest of Canada has seen what he's about too.  

The stupidification of the Conservative Party has only accelerated under his leadership, and the traditional Red Tories in the GTA and other urban areas want nothing to do with him.  

He's the ticket to another 4-8 years of Liberal government.  

Lol... you summed it up far better than I did, but I was trying to somewhat tactful.  Who am I kidding....  100% agree the clown is an unlikeable mouthpiece that wore out his welcome long ago.

Also agree that as long a Poilievre is there the liberals will be the government.  That said, I'm guessing his days will be nearing an end sooner than later.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

We have given $25 billion to Ukraine, which is now being revealed that most of that money has gone into the pockets of the corrupt leaders of Ukraine.

War starts under Biden, it's a straight-up grift, Lefties: "This is the best war ever. My heart bleeds for these peole!"

War to prevent Iran from having nukes, Lefties: "Iran should sink oil tankers to protect the ayatollah! Go Iran! America is losing!!! Kill more Americans please, mr ayatollah, sir!"

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Meanwhile, our own infrastructure crumbles, our economy is tanking, 25% of Canadians are starving, tent cities increasing in every city, the fentanyl crisis is of the charts (and BTW, WHERE THE HELL IS OUR SUPPOSED FENTANYL CZAR?  ANYONE SEEN OR HEARD FROM HIM?  BUELLER?  BUELLER?) Canadians dying in hospital waiting rooms, and the mass importing of low-skilled Uber drivers and Tim Horton's workers continues.

Canada will continue to deteriorate under these two.

If Poilievre had better socks, and he was more gleeful (or sadder?) when describing LPoC lies, scandals and failures, things would be better. 

[Legato]

39 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

There's no mystery.  Poilievre is a mouthy worm and has a 15+ year history of being one of the least likable and most abrasive members of Parliament.  He was a notorious shrill in Harper's government, and now that he's been out front in public for a few years, the rest of Canada has seen what he's about too.  

The stupidification of the Conservative Party has only accelerated under his leadership, and the traditional Red Tories in the GTA and other urban areas want nothing to do with him.  

He's the ticket to another 4-8 years of Liberal government.  

 

[Moonbox]

31 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Lol... you summed it up far better than I did, but I was trying to somewhat tactful.  Who am I kidding....  100% agree the clown is an unlikeable mouthpiece that wore out his welcome long ago.

Also agree that as long a Poilievre is there the liberals will be the government.  That said, I'm guessing his days will be nearing an end sooner than later.

Who knows?  The clown brigades in the respective Conservative parties in Canada make it unlikely.  The irony of it is that the Conservatives partially blamed Bernier's PPC for splitting the right of centre vote, but by absorbing them and some of their messaging, they made themselves distasteful to the majority of Canada.  Great job!  🫠

[eyeball]

14 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

There’s always tension between what the base wants and what policies will bring a win.

By the same token there's also a palpable tension between electors and electees. It's a tension I don't think gets enough attention. I think that inattentiveness puts all the onus on politicians to make our political/governing systems work.

It's a truly thankless job by the look of things for most.

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

But the thing that needs addressing is how the public sphere produced such an unCanadian character as Poilievre.

It seems there's a lot of this elsewhere in the world these days

Too much of the electorate is misinformed, gaslit and unable or unwilling to think straight.

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

To me, it was the emergence of the Culture of the Comments, ie. Internet comments... Brash, Unapologetic, Strident... It appeals to those who want to preach back at the preachers. 

It takes down the intelligentsia of the past generation, and expands the public sphere.

The intelligentsia doesn't seem to have expanded with it. Which has apparently resulted in a stunted political system...garbage in garbage out. We give politicians shit to work with so shit is what we should probably expect.

Electors, never mind partisan ones, need to take more responsibility for making our polity work.

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Whatever supplants it will need to respond to it and incorporate it.

I increasingly hope the alien Nanny ship racing to our rescue before we cook or blow ourselves to kingdom come arrives before it's too late.

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[Army Guy]

On 6/8/2026 at 9:41 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

We have 11 years of a liberal government because of conservative failures. I can buy people being gullible once or even twice, but not 4 times.  Facts are what they are AG, and Canada doesn't want the conservative clowns you've lined up as party leaders to run the country.  Trudeau held the door wide open during his last 3 years and Poilievre still couldn't win the election. People are smarter than you think....

Yes, apparently we do have the best deal of any country and I'm glad to see Carney isn't satisfied with that...yet, or as far as we know. Layoffs and job losses in those sectors are a direct result of ridiculously high tariffs, which are not an excuse?  You don't comprehend well do you... 

I won't argue that we've been laggards with military spending.  It started with Harper who spent the least of any PM, gradually increased with Trudeau, and fair to say it's a new spending ballgame now.  I don't think you'd find many Canadians at all who believe our military is 'modern', which is being changed.  Why is that a problem for you?

 

Which conservative failures are you talking about, or are you reading out of the liberal propaganda leaflet....I was being nice when i said gullible, the fact they voted in Justin 3 times in a row is not being gullible it is just plain stupid ..or just voting for anyone but conservatives even though Justin was slowly destroying the country......they preferred destroying the country over having a Conservative PM, that sir is retarded....As for Carney, after Justin i'd have voted for my pet hamster....and while he is a million times better than justin....he is nothing more than the promise man...

It is not that Carney is not satisfied, he just does not care....his strategy is what is costing jobs...we were not even at the table for 8 months...SO tariffs are not that bad of a deal according to Carney...

Lack of military spend goes back well before Harper....Today there are lots of plans but very little in the ways of contracts...SO your say most Canadians knew our military was full of obsolete equipment , but did not care, or just shrugged their shoulders and had better things to worry about...Change is in the air....or should i say the promise of change is in the air...at least while trump is in power once he is gone, NATO as a whole will be back to what it once was...these spending levels are unsustainable for long periods..... Is it a problem, YA it's a problem during my 34 years of service our governments have made lots of promises and delivered very little until forced to...when soldiers are being killed because equipment sucks or just to old...it is a huge problem... 

[Army Guy]

On 6/8/2026 at 9:48 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

Which is kind of the whole point when we have 13 little countries looking out for themselves in one big country...  But those big prizes sure help people put bread on the tables don't they.

I guess you'll have to ask Alberta on that one...I know most liberals are asking "we have a province named Alberta" and on another note those 13 little countries were brought to by the liberal government and their divisive policies....The only ones putting bread on the table is Quebec, Ontario...

[Gaétan]

Mark Carney is in the wrong party; he should be in the Conservative Party, but the job wasn’t available and he didn’t have any friends there.

[LinkSoul60]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Which conservative failures are you talking about, or are you reading out of the liberal propaganda leaflet....I was being nice when i said gullible, the fact they voted in Justin 3 times in a row is not being gullible it is just plain stupid ..or just voting for anyone but conservatives even though Justin was slowly destroying the country......they preferred destroying the country over having a Conservative PM, that sir is retarded....As for Carney, after Justin i'd have voted for my pet hamster....and while he is a million times better than justin....he is nothing more than the promise man...

It is not that Carney is not satisfied, he just does not care....his strategy is what is costing jobs...we were not even at the table for 8 months...SO tariffs are not that bad of a deal according to Carney...

Lack of military spend goes back well before Harper....Today there are lots of plans but very little in the ways of contracts...SO your say most Canadians knew our military was full of obsolete equipment , but did not care, or just shrugged their shoulders and had better things to worry about...Change is in the air....or should i say the promise of change is in the air...at least while trump is in power once he is gone, NATO as a whole will be back to what it once was...these spending levels are unsustainable for long periods..... Is it a problem, YA it's a problem during my 34 years of service our governments have made lots of promises and delivered very little until forced to...when soldiers are being killed because equipment sucks or just to old...it is a huge problem... 

It's been over a year that Trudeau has been gone.  You need to get over it, and get over liberals winning again.  Find better part leaders and you might have a chance.

What has he done to make you think he doesn't care, and what strategy is it that's cost jobs?  Cite where he said 'SO tariffs are not that bad of a deal'

You're probably right that a lot of Canadians didn't care about our military spending.  Admittedly there were a lot of my years where I didn't either.  So be it, that's the past and again, fair to say it's changed.  We're spending more, recruitment is up, and we're creating jobs. Try having a positive outlook rather than a negative one.... can't do anything about it anyway, and makes the day a little better.

[LinkSoul60]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I guess you'll have to ask Alberta on that one...I know most liberals are asking "we have a province named Alberta" and on another note those 13 little countries were brought to by the liberal government and their divisive policies....The only ones putting bread on the table is Quebec, Ontario...

Yep, have to hand it to Smith for trying to save her àss don't you...  If I was king I'd find the money to give each one of them a one way ride out of the country, after I collect my 25% departures taxes, and be done with it.  Equalization payments are in our constitution and people in BC, SK, MB or the Atlantic provinces work just as hard as those in the provinces you said are putting bread on the table. You're in NB and benefitting from those payments so tough to side with AB separatists right.