Poilievre vs Carney: Critical Issue

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

1. I don't think we have to look too hard to find the answer, do we...?  Politics aside, Poilievre is just one of those people that whether it be his looks, mannerism's, tone of voice, whatever....  is just hard to like. Every approval polling for the last 2 years has shown that.  

2. His 'unCanadian' character is just the past attempt to be the "Trump of Canada' as Trudeau's term was flailing and has forever screwed his political ambition of becoming our PM. Trump has made divisiveness 'cool' to some and Poilievre chose to be the clown that brought that style to his politics.  I think it's fair to say the majority of Canadian's don't like it...

1. He was more popular than the PM for a significant amount of time.  Your opinion on him is subjective, and whether or not he's "likeable" I don't think you can argue that he wasn't successful in helping to change the tone of politics.
2. Well, right now they don't.  But there has been a change and he capitalized on it.  Will Carney be able to ?

Whoever wins (the image war, not the election) will do so because they delivered something of value IMO.

[Goddess]

 

 

[Goddess]

Everywhere Carney goes, Brookfield was either just there or arrives right after him.

Every.

Single.

Time.

Right now he's in France to "deepen ties".

Is he there for Canada?  Or for this new Brookfield deal?

Brookfield Invests €30B in French AI Infrastructure

[LinkSoul60]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. He was more popular than the PM for a significant amount of time.  Your opinion on him is subjective, and whether or not he's "likeable" I don't think you can argue that he wasn't successful in helping to change the tone of politics.
2. Well, right now they don't.  But there has been a change and he capitalized on it.  Will Carney be able to ?

Whoever wins (the image war, not the election) will do so because they delivered something of value IMO.

1. His popularity can be attributed to the unpopularity of Trudeau during his last years, IMO.  When there was a viable alternative (Carney) the opinions of Poilievre reverted to where they are today.... not popular.  And yes of course my opinion of him is subjective, but does align with the majority of opinions of him.

2. Carney has already capitalized from being elected PM an approval ratings that continue to be strong.  Right or wrong I don't see the majority of Canadian's buying into divisive politics now or any time soon.

The image war is handily in Carney's favour.  Keeping it there will be the challenge if economic pressures continue....

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

1. And yes of course my opinion of him is subjective, but does align with the majority of opinions of him.

2. The image war is handily in Carney's favour.  Keeping it there will be the challenge if economic pressures continue....

 

1. I love his TV shows.  Especially when he led the team on 'Reach for the Top'
2. There would need to be a psychological pause point to lock in impressions... otherwise they're all bums when they go.

[Moonbox]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I don't think we have to look too hard to find the answer, do we...?  Politics aside, Poilievre is just one of those people that whether it be his looks, mannerism's, tone of voice, whatever....  is just hard to like. Every approval polling for the last 2 years has shown that.  

There's no mystery.  Poilievre is a mouthy worm and has a 15+ year history of being one of the least likable and most abrasive members of Parliament.  He was a notorious shrill in Harper's government, and now that he's been out front in public for a few years, the rest of Canada has seen what he's about too.  

The stupidification of the Conservative Party has only accelerated under his leadership, and the traditional Red Tories in the GTA and other urban areas want nothing to do with him.  

He's the ticket to another 4-8 years of Liberal government.  

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I love his TV shows.  Especially when he led the team on 'Reach for the Top'
2. There would need to be a psychological pause point to lock in impressions... otherwise they're all bums when they go.

1.  Not much of a TV watcher, but generally change the channel after a minute or two of him talking.  The only way he'll 'reach the top' is with a ladder.

2. The impressions have already been made, and those are difficult to change when a persons mind has formed an opinion.  How long they last in another question but I'd put money in Kalshi or polymarket that one of them won't be around  representing one party in the next federal election. The life of a politician.... hero (maybe) to zero in a relatively short period time.

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

There's no mystery.  Poilievre is a mouthy worm and has a 15+ year history of being one of the least likable and most abrasive members of Parliament.  He was a notorious shrill in Harper's government, and now that he's been out front in public for a few years, the rest of Canada has seen what he's about too.  

The stupidification of the Conservative Party has only accelerated under his leadership, and the traditional Red Tories in the GTA and other urban areas want nothing to do with him.  

He's the ticket to another 4-8 years of Liberal government.  

Lol... you summed it up far better than I did, but I was trying to somewhat tactful.  Who am I kidding....  100% agree the clown is an unlikeable mouthpiece that wore out his welcome long ago.

Also agree that as long a Poilievre is there the liberals will be the government.  That said, I'm guessing his days will be nearing an end sooner than later.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

We have given $25 billion to Ukraine, which is now being revealed that most of that money has gone into the pockets of the corrupt leaders of Ukraine.

War starts under Biden, it's a straight-up grift, Lefties: "This is the best war ever. My heart bleeds for these peole!"

War to prevent Iran from having nukes, Lefties: "Iran should sink oil tankers to protect the ayatollah! Go Iran! America is losing!!! Kill more Americans please, mr ayatollah, sir!"

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Meanwhile, our own infrastructure crumbles, our economy is tanking, 25% of Canadians are starving, tent cities increasing in every city, the fentanyl crisis is of the charts (and BTW, WHERE THE HELL IS OUR SUPPOSED FENTANYL CZAR?  ANYONE SEEN OR HEARD FROM HIM?  BUELLER?  BUELLER?) Canadians dying in hospital waiting rooms, and the mass importing of low-skilled Uber drivers and Tim Horton's workers continues.

Canada will continue to deteriorate under these two.

If Poilievre had better socks, and he was more gleeful (or sadder?) when describing LPoC lies, scandals and failures, things would be better. 

[Legato]

39 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

There's no mystery.  Poilievre is a mouthy worm and has a 15+ year history of being one of the least likable and most abrasive members of Parliament.  He was a notorious shrill in Harper's government, and now that he's been out front in public for a few years, the rest of Canada has seen what he's about too.  

The stupidification of the Conservative Party has only accelerated under his leadership, and the traditional Red Tories in the GTA and other urban areas want nothing to do with him.  

He's the ticket to another 4-8 years of Liberal government.  

 

[Moonbox]

31 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Lol... you summed it up far better than I did, but I was trying to somewhat tactful.  Who am I kidding....  100% agree the clown is an unlikeable mouthpiece that wore out his welcome long ago.

Also agree that as long a Poilievre is there the liberals will be the government.  That said, I'm guessing his days will be nearing an end sooner than later.

Who knows?  The clown brigades in the respective Conservative parties in Canada make it unlikely.  The irony of it is that the Conservatives partially blamed Bernier's PPC for splitting the right of centre vote, but by absorbing them and some of their messaging, they made themselves distasteful to the majority of Canada.  Great job!  🫠

[eyeball]

14 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

There’s always tension between what the base wants and what policies will bring a win.

By the same token there's also a palpable tension between electors and electees. It's a tension I don't think gets enough attention. I think that inattentiveness puts all the onus on politicians to make our political/governing systems work.

It's a truly thankless job by the look of things for most.

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

But the thing that needs addressing is how the public sphere produced such an unCanadian character as Poilievre.

It seems there's a lot of this elsewhere in the world these days

Too much of the electorate is misinformed, gaslit and unable or unwilling to think straight.

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

To me, it was the emergence of the Culture of the Comments, ie. Internet comments... Brash, Unapologetic, Strident... It appeals to those who want to preach back at the preachers. 

It takes down the intelligentsia of the past generation, and expands the public sphere.

The intelligentsia doesn't seem to have expanded with it. Which has apparently resulted in a stunted political system...garbage in garbage out. We give politicians shit to work with so shit is what we should probably expect.

Electors, never mind partisan ones, need to take more responsibility for making our polity work.

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Whatever supplants it will need to respond to it and incorporate it.

I increasingly hope the alien Nanny ship racing to our rescue before we cook or blow ourselves to kingdom come arrives before it's too late.

Edited 19 hours ago by eyeball