BeaverFever Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 17 hours ago, CdnFox said: Productivity is an urgent problem for Canada. The response? A 15-year study - The Globe and Mail Not even kidding. Every economist says we have a critical and urgent problem that needs immediate solutions - so Carney is going to spend 15 years studding it and get right back to us on that. and the kick in the teeth is we know what the problems are. There's no mystery, there's no need for any study, this has been around for a decade and the issue overall has been studied for much longer than that. So we know what needs to happen. But friends of carney will now get rich writing this report which they'll spend maybe a total of 20 hours on. And we'll spend millions. And the problems will persist. for anyone who thought things would get better under Carney, my condolences for your shattered dreams More conservative propaganda. Where did anyone say this one study is our one and only response or even our main response to Canada’s productivity decline? Where does did anyone say that this study came from Carney himself? Where did anyone say long-term studies are bad? Let’s unpack the failed logic here: A Government office is doing a study, therefore: 1) If a government office is doing a study, it must have been ordered by the prime minister himself because IN Canada the PM personally manages the day-to-day decisions of all 367,000+ federal employees 2) If it was ordered by the prime minister, it must be that this is the government’s one and only response to this issue 3) If this study is the only response to this issue, then the study is bad Carney has already done more to reinvent and reinvigorate the Canadian economy than any other PM since the war and he’s only just planted the seeds and laid the groundwork the results will obviously take time. The fact that you find it incompressible that this study might be over and above other major strategic reforms and might have no direct connection to Carney and might be a vital resource for future insights says more about you than it does about Carney. 1 Quote
Legato Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 45 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yes, to prevent a majority government, Liberal in this case. You're welcome. the end result being a shortage of fishburgers. Nice welcome. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 21 minutes ago, Shady said: So even 40 years ago, Canada was on par with the United States. It’s under the Liberals exclusively, that we’ve been lapped economically. Yes, 40 years ago, the beginning of the end when Conservatives under Mulroney signed the Pacific Salmon Treaty with the US. Canada agreed to eliminate our fishery and fishermen from Washing and Oregon moved to Alaska to catch Canadian salmon. Stop apologizing for Ottawa. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
herbie Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 30 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: More conservative propaganda No, the same conservative propaganda. From the same political party with no plan or idea of how to improve it since they first took up the complaint. Like back in the 1970s 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 22 Author Report Posted February 22 1 hour ago, eyeball said: For anyone living on the coast it's really easy to make that argument. The evidence that's piled up on our coast speaks for itself. Absolutely lie. I live on the coast two dipshit That's got absolutely nothing to do with the conservatives 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 9 minutes ago, Legato said: the end result being a shortage of fishburgers. Nice welcome. I did say a lot of right-wing fishermen also lost their livelihoods to Ottawa's mismanagement you know. You seem to be happy to scrape them off too. It is what it is I guess. Maybe you're just a bitter old sporty. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 14 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Absolutely lie. I live on the coast two dipshit That's got absolutely nothing to do with the conservatives It's a fact Brian Mulroney signed the Salmon Treaty. You must have just been a kid back then. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted February 22 Author Report Posted February 22 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: More conservative propaganda. Where did anyone say this one study is our one and only response or even our main response to Canada’s productivity decline? Sorry kiddo I know it hurts but that was his only response Quote A Government office is doing a study, therefore: 1) If a government office is doing a study, it must have been ordered by the prime minister himself because IN Canada the PM personally manages the day-to-day decisions of all 367,000+ federal employees So you're saying that not only did carney not have a very good response, he had absolutely no response and it's just letting the economy go on autopilot I love that you think that somehow makes him look better Quote 2) If it was ordered by the prime minister, it must be that this is the government’s one and only response to this issue It is whether he ordered it or not Quote 3) If this study is the only response to this issue, then the study is bad It doesn't matter if it's bad or good. We have a problem right this very second and have for several years now. This has been commented on by economists at great length. Thanks to many of Justin Trudeau's policies we are severely underproductive So any response that takes 15 years to produce is of no value to us to solve the problem even if that report produces miraculous work Quote Carney has already done more to reinvent and reinvigorate the Canadian economy than any other PM since the war He has done nothing. Not a single thing And it shows. Money is fleeing Canada faster than it ever has. Our trade deficit is going up. Our job numbers are worse. Our GDP growth is worse. Every metric you could possibly choose is worse. Our own Canadian oil companies are saying they will not invest in Canada because of the current regulatory environment. Inter provincial trade has actually gotten worse since he took over. Tariffs have gone up. It looks like we aren't getting a trade deal with united states or if we do it's going to be a horrible one. All he has done is make it worse. He hasn't done a single thing to make productivity or the economy better. Not one thing. And now his response to an immediate productivity crisis is a 15-year study Wake up. If Canada cannot afford you to be blind and stupid for another 10 years like you were with Trudeau 2 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Shady Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Yes, 40 years ago, the beginning of the end when Conservatives under Mulroney signed the Pacific Salmon Treaty with the US. Canada agreed to eliminate our fishery and fishermen from Washing and Oregon moved to Alaska to catch Canadian salmon. Stop apologizing for Ottawa. I have no idea what you’re talking about. Fishermen moving from Oregon to Alaska? What? Quote
Legato Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I did say a lot of right-wing fishermen also lost their livelihoods to Ottawa's mismanagement you know. You seem to be happy to scrape them off too. It is what it is I guess. Maybe you're just a bitter old sporty. That's what you get as a Dipper. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 39 minutes ago, Shady said: I have no idea what you’re talking about. Fishermen moving from Oregon to Alaska? What? Google: "Yes, many commercial fishermen from Washington state travel to Alaska during the summer to participate in the lucrative salmon season. Alaska’s peak salmon fishing runs from May through September, with massive runs like the Bristol Bay sockeye fishery attracting transient vessels and crew for short, intense, high-volume fishing opportunities . Commercial Movement: While many Washington anglers stay for local seasons (June-October), a significant number of commercial fishermen migrate north to fish in Alaska's salmon fisheries, which are considered some of the largest in the world. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted February 22 Author Report Posted February 22 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I did say a lot of right-wing fishermen also lost their livelihoods to Ottawa's mismanagement you know. Left wing government mismanagement. Not conservatives 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
BeaverFever Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Sorry kiddo I know it hurts but that was his only response Nope. You are bullshitter. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: So you're saying that not only did carney not have a very good response, he had absolutely no response and it's just letting the economy go on autopilot I love that you think that somehow makes him look better So you’re saying you’re a bullshitter who makes up false claims that in no way resemble anything I said. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: t is whether he ordered it or not Wrong. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Thanks to many of Justin Trudeau's policies we are severely underproductive Wrong. Productivity has been falling for DECADES. In fact since NAFTA it has gotten even worse under EVERY GOVERNMENT. It is because the more we integrate with USA, the more US companies control our economy, buying up our companies, poaching our talent, controlling the high value economic activity and intellectual property and leaving us with the low value grunt work. What Canadians are only now understanding is that for the past 30+ years the most productive economies have been defined by: Companies who OWN the factory not the people who work in them Companies who OWN user data, not those who supply user data for free Companies who OWN technology patents, not those who researched the technology and shared it for free Companies who OWN technology terms of use, not those who forced to accept them on a take-it-or-leave-it basis The people who COLLECT software license and subscription fees, not those who pay them Companies who sell HIGH-MARGIN FINISHED PRODUCTS at PREMIUM prices, not LOW-MARGIN COMMODITIES at WHOLESALE DISCOUNT prices Companies who CONTINUOUSLY GROW their enterprise by reinvesting profits, not companies that deliberately choose to stop growing pay out their profits as dividends The more we integrated with USA, the more US companies and policy shaped us into playing the latter of each of these relationships and our short-sighted business and government leaders went along with it because to do otherwise was considered risky and because they don’t feel the consequences of those decisions directly 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: So any response that takes 15 years to produce is of no value to us to solve the problem even if that report produces miraculous work You know there are long term studies of cancer patients, do you think that means they were commissioned by the PM and that they’re the totality of everything the government is doing to treat cancer and that it’s one and only purpose is to do nothing until the study is complete? Sorry, once again you don’t know what you’re talking about. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: He has done nothing. Not a single thing And it shows. Money is fleeing Canada faster than it ever has. Our trade deficit is going up. Our job numbers are worse. Our GDP growth is worse. Every metric you could possibly choose is worse. Our own Canadian oil companies are saying they will not invest in Canada because of the current regulatory environment. Inter provincial trade has actually gotten worse since he took over. Tariffs have gone up. It looks like we aren't getting a trade deal with united states or if we do it's going to be a horrible one. All he has done is make it worse. He hasn't done a single thing to make productivity or the economy better. Not one thing. And now his response to an immediate productivity crisis is a 15-year study Like I said you don’t know what you’re talking about. You are dead dumb and blind to reality, you only get your news from conservative sources that ignore politically inconvenient news and amplify / exaggerate convenient news. The economy has improved since Carney took office. Most of our economic woes have been inflicted by Trump. You blame Carney for the results of Trump’s economic attacks and Trump’s refusal to deal even as you know deals with Trump are worthless and those who rushed and made deals with him are now regretting it due to the recent Supreme Court ruling. Oil companies have been given the regulatory regime they wanted on a silver platter, they’re not investing because tar sand crude has limited long-term returns, they want the government to build the infrastructure at taxpayer expense and let them keep the profits. And they want climate denial / zero GHG regulation like they have in their third world operations. Barriers to interprovincial trade have come down massively. All federal barriers have been removed. Ontario has made deals with multiple provinces as have others. 1 1 Quote
eyeball Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 44 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Wake up. If Canada cannot afford you to be blind and stupid for another 10 years like you were with Trudeau No we can't but that's no excuse for closing our eyes to the fact Conservatives also bear historical blame for the current state Canada is in. You had years and years to do something and didn't. Like the author of your article points out I say this as someone who has spent the better part of two decades studying these questions. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 38 minutes ago, Legato said: That's what you get as a Dipper. Dippers have never managed Canada's fisheries. I can't think of any recommendations they made that weren't ignored. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 12 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Left wing government mismanagement. Not conservatives Like I said, no NDP government has ever demolished Canada's fisheries. Only Liberals and Conservatives and by more or less equal measure. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 59 minutes ago, Shady said: I have no idea what you’re talking about. Fishermen moving from Oregon to Alaska? What? Well you should have an idea. I've spelled out what happened plenty of times over the years to you. Yes, they simply drive their boats up the coast to Alaska where they catch fish that are bound for Canada. Ottawa's response was to just get rid of us. But they don't all have to go to Alaska. US fishermen got to catch Fraser River sockeye during one of the largest runs in history this last summer. You could see them fishing if you happened to take a ferry to Vancouver Island. Canadians weren't allowed to participate. Elbows up? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted February 23 Author Report Posted February 23 6 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Nope. You are bullshitter. . That's what you say whenever you know I'm right. I accept your admission of defeat Quote So you’re saying you’re a bullshitter who makes up false claims that in no way resemble anything I said Awww..... wow you mist REALLY have thought i was right . Quote Wrong. Nope, right and that's why you couldn't refute it Quote Wrong. Productivity has been falling for DECADES. Nope. We actually have been keeping pace with the us and were about number 3 in the world right up till about 2017. Then it started to go sideways Quote What Canadians are only now understanding is that for the past 30+ years the most productive economies have been defined by: Companies who OWN the factory not the people who work in them Companies who OWN user data, not those who supply user data for free Companies who OWN technology patents, not those who researched the technology and shared it for free Companies who OWN technology terms of use, not those who forced to accept them on a take-it-or-leave-it basis The people who COLLECT software license and subscription fees, not those who pay them Companies who sell HIGH-MARGIN FINISHED PRODUCTS at PREMIUM prices, not LOW-MARGIN COMMODITIES at WHOLESALE DISCOUNT prices Companies who CONTINUOUSLY GROW their enterprise by reinvesting profits, not companies that deliberately choose to stop growing pay out their profits as dividends The more we integrated with USA, the more US companies and policy shaped us into playing the latter of each of these relationships and our short-sighted business and government leaders went along with it because to do otherwise was considered risky and because they don’t feel the consequences of those decisions directly Nope. That's all pretty much bullshit. GDP per capita which is one of the main measures of productivity has been climbing steadily for most countries. And wages of reflected that, in fact in Canada prior to 2015 real wages have climbed at about 1% higher than inflation. Which means every year people on average had more money to spend even after taking inflation into account Quote You know there are long term studies of cancer patients, do you think that means they were commissioned by the PM and that they’re the totality of everything the government is doing to treat cancer and that it’s one and only purpose is to do nothing until the study is complete? Sorry, once again you don’t know what you’re talking about. This is the only thing he's doing kiddo. And it's a 15-year study And guess what, we treat cancer patients today. We don't wait 15 years to treat them. So why is the government waiting 15 years to deal with this problem Quote Like I said you don’t know what you’re talking about. Very obviously I know considerably more than you The economy has gotten considerably worse since carney took over. Nobody disputes that, well nobody's sane. Some argue that he needs more time to be able to fix anything but nobody argues that the economy has gotten worse. In fact not only has our economy gotten worse but we're at the absolute bottom of the G7 by a mile. This is all been posted before. Lying to yourself won't change this And you are just out and out lying when you claim that oil companies have the regulatory system they want. They have come right out and said and no uncertain terms that they will not operate under these regulatory conditions and many industry experts have explained exactly why You're a liar. Which would make you an average liberal except for the fact that the person you lie to most is yourself. And that's sad You need to wake up and start being honest with yourself. If you need to lie to make your point it's not a good point. And I mean some of those were pretty massive Whoppers like claiming that the oil industry is really happy and excited about the current regulatory circumstances. There's a tanker band and an anti oil pipeline Bill still in place at this moment 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Moonbox Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 11 hours ago, CdnFox said: Nope. We actually have been keeping pace with the us and were about number 3 in the world right up till about 2017. Then it started to go sideways Hilarious. Too it takes 20 seconds of Googling to prove that (once again) you're completely and utterly full of shit: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-402-x/2012000/chap/econo/econo01-eng.htm We started falling behind the US in productivity back in the 80's or earlier. https://www.canadaaction.ca/canadian-productivity-and-investment-falling-report 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Legato Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 12 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Hilarious. Too it takes 20 seconds of Googling to prove that (once again) you're completely and utterly full of shit: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-402-x/2012000/chap/econo/econo01-eng.htm We started falling behind the US in productivity back in the 80's or earlier. https://www.canadaaction.ca/canadian-productivity-and-investment-falling-report Rest of the world not the US. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 18 hours ago, eyeball said: Like I said, no NDP government has ever demolished Canada's fisheries. Only Liberals and Conservatives and by more or less equal measure. No NDP government has ever existed federally. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Nationalist Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 On 2/21/2026 at 8:03 PM, CdnFox said: Productivity is an urgent problem for Canada. The response? A 15-year study - The Globe and Mail Not even kidding. Every economist says we have a critical and urgent problem that needs immediate solutions - so Carney is going to spend 15 years studding it and get right back to us on that. and the kick in the teeth is we know what the problems are. There's no mystery, there's no need for any study, this has been around for a decade and the issue overall has been studied for much longer than that. So we know what needs to happen. But friends of carney will now get rich writing this report which they'll spend maybe a total of 20 hours on. And we'll spend millions. And the problems will persist. for anyone who thought things would get better under Carney, my condolences for your shattered dreams They call it a "swan". Busy work that costs millions and does indeed produce exactly what we already know. I've been given "swans" and know it's all done with a nod and a wink. But if you complain about the waste...you become unemployed. That's how Canada's government and bureaucracy work. Someone needs to stop this, but it's ingrained in the system. So lots of opposition. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
BeaverFever Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: That's what you say whenever you know I'm right. I accept your admission of defeat No that’s what I every time you float lies like claiming Bush Jr balanced the budget or that Carney admitted he was an acquaintance of Epstein or that the mass die off of indigenous people from European diseases had nothing to do with the arrival of Europeans or that the left wing movements and labour unions supported Hitler or that an article titled “baseless 2000 mules video contains no evidence” was actually try to persuade readers that 2000 mules presented compelling evidence, or my personal fave that storing “cans of gasoline” can somehow make pipe-fed natural gas power plants produce more electricity Bullshitting is what you do. 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: Nope. We actually have been keeping pace with the us and were about number 3 in the world right up till about 2017. Then it started to go sideways Thanks for proving yet again that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your chart is showing GDP per capita not productivity Here is productivity: Stronger growth in Canada relative to the United States in the mid-1970s and early 1980s was balanced by slower growth in the late 1980s. However, the significant and prolonged gap in labour productivity growth between Canada and the United States after 2001 stands as an unprecedented development compared with the previous four decades. From 2001 to 2021, the United States observed a moderate deceleration in labour productivity to 2.0% per year, while Canada’s growth rate fell to 0.9% per year. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/36-28-0001/2023012/article/00006-eng.htm Here is a related assessment which basically attributes the gap to a higher percentage of small firms in Canada compared to USA as well as greater inefficiency of large Canadian firms due to lack of reinvestment https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/36-28-0001/2025012/article/00002-eng.htm 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: Nope. That's all pretty much bullshit. GDP per capita which is one of the main measures of productivity has been climbing steadily for most countries. And wages of reflected that, in fact in Canada prior to 2015 real wages have climbed at about 1% higher than inflation. Which means every year people on average had more money to spend even after taking inflation into accoun LMAO YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! What I posted is ESTABLISHED FACT There’s even an entire other thread started just to show the copy-paste from CHAT GPT. Canada in general doesn’t have an economy based on owning IP. Canadian researchers give away IP for free or sell it at a fraction of its full value to US companies. We sell minimally processed raw materials and component parts to US companies, which are low-margin products. We then import back high-margin finished products. Canadian companies don’t expand abroad, we invite foreign companies to move here and buy up Canadian firms. The Canadian economy has one of the highest levels of foreign ownership in the G20 and highest in the G7. Those are all well-reported facts that drag our productivity down. Also here’s an article on your precious conservative site THE HUB written by none other than the very same Trevor Tombe who will also be overseeing this 15 year study you’re baselessly attacking: productivity has always lagged the US and its gotten worse and yes a sudden increase in immigration increases the denominator in this measure but a company doesn’t become less productive just because there are more people in the general population is why its less accurate. https://thehub.ca/2024/09/05/trevor-tombe-the-great-divergence-canadas-economic-gap-with-the-u-s-reaches-a-new-record/ Here’s a way to understand GDP per capita as it relates to productivity: population is generally understood to provide economic potential: the more people you have, the larger the economy more you should be able produce. That’s why the US economy is so much larger than Canada’s So economic output (GDP) divided by available resources (population).But that’s like trying to measure your car’s gas mileage by output (kms actually driven) divided by available gas stored in your shed. Adding or removing gas from the shed doesn’t affect your car’s fuel efficiency, it only shows how far you COULD drive if you make the effort to do so. Only the amount of gas you have to put in the tank measures efficiency, which for productivity means measuring the actual hours of labour (or labour cost) So if you add a lot of people suddenly and they don’t produce as much as everyone else as was the case under Trudeau the last few years, your GDP per capita goes down on paper. In other words you didn’t drive very far despite seemingly having a massive stockpile of gasoline to do so. But that doesn’t explain why your car is getting lousy gas mileage. And in that same way, Canada admitting lots of immigrants doesn’t explain why companies can’t efficiently generate profits Also you should know that the quarterly unemployment rate under Trudeau-Carney in 2024-2025 (ranged between 6.1% and 7.1% and is currently 6.5%) is better than it was under Harper 2014-2015 (ranged between 6.8% and 7.1%). When it was 7.1 % earlier this year you were tearing your chest hairs out screaming that it’s the liberal-caused apocalypse even though that was a common rate under Harper. In fact under Harper unemployment in EVERY quarter since 2009 was equal or worse than ANY quarter under Trudeau -Carney except for a few during early COVID 2020-2021. As recently as Q4 2023 the unemployment rate under Trudeau was 5.4% which was lower than anything under Harper. There was a labour shortage and businesses were begging for immigrants, even Danielle Smith. So save your BS and gaslighting Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: And wages of reflected that, in fact in Canada prior to 2015 real wages have climbed at about 1% higher than inflation. Which means every year people on average had more money to spend even after taking inflation into accou GDP is primarily corporate profits not wages. That’s why impoverished shit holes in the US like Mississippi have high gdp per capita despite millions living in squalor with lower average household income than in Canada, it’s because have Corporations park their money while people there earn squat. Unlike USA inflation in Canada has remained within targets although there are still hotspots in certain sectors and wage growth outpaced inflation in 2024 and 2025 and in every month that Carney has been PM 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: This is the only thing he's doing kiddo. And it's a 15-year study And guess what, we treat cancer patients today. We don't wait 15 years to treat them. So why is the government waiting 15 years to deal with this problem You are lying. It’s not the only thing this government is doing. The cancer hospital is waiting for you to show up and claim that they’re waiting 15 years to treat people. 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: Very obviously I know considerably more than you The economy has gotten considerably worse since carney took over. Nobody disputes that, well nobody's sane. Some argue that he needs more time to be able to fix anything but nobody argues that the economy has gotten worse. In fact not only has our economy gotten worse but we're at the absolute bottom of the G7 by a mile. This is all been posted before. Lying to yourself won't change this And you are just out and out lying when you claim that oil companies have the regulatory system they want. They have come right out and said and no uncertain terms that they will not operate under these regulatory conditions and many industry experts have explained exactly why You're a liar. Which would make you an average liberal except for the fact that the person you lie to most is yourself. And that's sad You need to wake up and start being honest with yourself. If you need to lie to make your point it's not a good point. And I mean some of those were pretty massive Whoppers like claiming that the oil industry is really happy and excited about the current regulatory circumstances. There's a tanker band and an anti oil pipeline Bill still in place at this moment You don’t know what you’re talking about. All you bogus claims have no evidence to support them you don’t know what the stats are now or what they were when conservatives were in power or what good stats are compared to bad ones. You just copy-paste the same unsupported nonsense whenever your party is not in power. Quote
Nationalist Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 (edited) See? Libbies cant help themselves. They use warped logic to justify what everyone...including themselves...sees plainly. This is very simple. Why is Canada having financial issues. Half a million new welfare cases and regulation that choke business. Question to Libbies: Now that we know we ain' all gonna die from global warming, shouldn't we relax the regulations and ignore obstacles to prosperity? Edited February 23 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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