ExFlyer Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Got 87% of the vote. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/conservative-delegates-vote-on-poilievres-leadership Good news for the Liberals LOL 2 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
John Stone Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Got 87% of the vote. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/conservative-delegates-vote-on-poilievres-leadership Good news for the Liberals LOL Historic - 95 percent turnout. Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Congratulations. Now he can focus on the job to which he is most suited, Leader of the Loyal opposition. It is the best job in politics. He can say anything, propose any policy, without consequence. It is absolute freedom and he gets to live in a better residence. And you get to spend more time with your family. 😀 The worst role to have these days is Prime Minister, where your every utterance and action, no matter how noble, only alienates another group. No matter what party label, no matter how competant you are, from the moment you are appointed to the office, you begin the descent into unpopularity. Pierre, relish your position for as long as you can and be careful not to trigger an election. Have fun. 3 1 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
ironstone Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Got 87% of the vote. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/conservative-delegates-vote-on-poilievres-leadership Good news for the Liberals LOL Although I like Poilievre, I'm not optimistic about his chances of becoming PM since Liberal voters are only focused on Donald Trump and nothing else at election time. Bad news for Canada. 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
ExFlyer Posted January 31 Author Report Posted January 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Stone said: Historic - 95 percent turnout. There were about 2500 people....is that 95% of the conservative members?? The Conservatives are celebrating Pierre Poilievre’s 87.4% “victory” like they just won the Stanley Cup. But here’s the part they don’t want you to know: This wasn’t an election. This was a confidence review run by party HQ. It wasn’t voted on by: • The public • Conservative voters • Or even the full CPC membership It was voted on by a small, tightly controlled group of registered party members approved by headquarters, the safest possible electorate. That’s not democracy. That’s a corporate board keeping their CEO. If Poilievre had lost: → THEN it would have gone to a real leadership election → THEN members would vote → THEN Canadians would see real competition But he didn’t face that. So no, he didn’t “win.” He was allowed to stay. That’s not a victory. That’s a boss not getting fired. This is the same guy who: • Blew a can’t-lose election • Lost his own seat • Drove MPs out of caucus • Became so toxic his party locked down the voting process And now the Conservatives are throwing confetti because he survived internal HR paperwork. That’s not leadership. That’s tenure. Pierre Poilievre wasn’t elected. He was selected. And every MP who quietly crosses the floor knows exactly what this “win” really means. Edited January 31 by ExFlyer 2 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
John Johnston Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: There were about 2500 people....is that 95% of the conservative members?? The Conservatives are celebrating Pierre Poilievre’s 87.4% “victory” like they just won the Stanley Cup. But here’s the part they don’t want you to know: This wasn’t an election. This was a confidence review run by party HQ. It wasn’t voted on by: • The public • Conservative voters • Or even the full CPC membership It was voted on by a small, tightly controlled group of registered party members approved by headquarters, the safest possible electorate. That’s not democracy. That’s a corporate board keeping their CEO. If Poilievre had lost: → THEN it would have gone to a real leadership election → THEN members would vote → THEN Canadians would see real competition But he didn’t face that. So no, he didn’t “win.” He was allowed to stay. That’s not a victory. That’s a boss not getting fired. This is the same guy who: • Blew a can’t-lose election • Lost his own seat • Drove MPs out of caucus • Became so toxic his party locked down the voting process And now the Conservatives are throwing confetti because he survived internal HR paperwork. That’s not leadership. That’s tenure. Pierre Poilievre wasn’t elected. He was selected. And every MP who quietly crosses the floor knows exactly what this “win” really means. Correct. Quote
blackbird Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Got 87% of the vote. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/conservative-delegates-vote-on-poilievres-leadership Good news for the Liberals 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: There were about 2500 people....is that 95% of the conservative members?? The Conservatives are celebrating Pierre Poilievre’s 87.4% “victory” like they just won the Stanley Cup. But here’s the part they don’t want you to know: This wasn’t an election. This was a confidence review run by party HQ. It wasn’t voted on by: • The public • Conservative voters • Or even the full CPC membership It was voted on by a small, tightly controlled group of registered party members approved by headquarters, the safest possible electorate. That’s not democracy. That’s a corporate board keeping their CEO. If Poilievre had lost: → THEN it would have gone to a real leadership election → THEN members would vote → THEN Canadians would see real competition But he didn’t face that. So no, he didn’t “win.” He was allowed to stay. That’s not a victory. That’s a boss not getting fired. This is the same guy who: • Blew a can’t-lose election • Lost his own seat • Drove MPs out of caucus • Became so toxic his party locked down the voting process And now the Conservatives are throwing confetti because he survived internal HR paperwork. That’s not leadership. That’s tenure. Pierre Poilievre wasn’t elected. He was selected. And every MP who quietly crosses the floor knows exactly what this “win” really means. Pure BS. Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 31 Author Report Posted January 31 (edited) 21 hours ago, blackbird said: Pure BS. Of course...which part??? And back up your claims. I won't wait because you will not be back LOL Edited February 1 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Queenmandy85 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 I missed Mr. Poilievre's speech, but there were reports that he touched on defence. They ran a hypothetical war game a few years ago. The scenario was China preparing to invade Taiwan. The allies decided to put a naval fleet into the Taiwan Strait. The Chinese response was to sink one of the allied warships as a demonstration they were serious. The question the Chinese had to detrermine was which ship. The answer was a Canadian ship, because nodody would care. China's point would be made, but nobody would go to war over it. The lesson for us is that when push comes to shove, we are on our own. If we invoke Article 5, NATO would express their condemnation in the strongest terms. I have been advocation for a viable defence policy for almost sixty years. Nobody has listened. The only way to stop an invader is to have the means and the will to terrify any and all comers. You can have a dozen submarines, thousands to droned, hundreds of helicopters, and a hundred Leopard 2 tanks and the CAF may last a month. There are three advisaries currently in mind. Russia, China, and the USA. Of the three, the US is logistically the most able to invade us. China has the Pacific Ocean to contend with. Russia could theoretically come over the pole, but that is on the edge of feasibility. The scenario is that Russia will start mining exploration in our Arctic waters. So, what does the Canadian government propose? Sink their ships? Then what? We could spend 7% of our GDP to build a nuclear force of ICBM's sufficient to destroy any compination of super powers. (400 missiles) for $200 billion. If we were to rely on just conventional arms, the cost would be four times that amount. Or, we could make deals with them to permit access to the arctic. That would be cheaper for everyone. A viable defence budget to make Canada independent from fair-weather allies would be unsustainable financially, and impossible politically. Anyone who has studied Canadian history understands conscription is not going to work. A volunteer system is leaving the CAF significantly below strength. Canadians are unwilling to pay the taxes required, regardless of political affiliation. So, as usual, we have a force to defend NATO. That is important, but it won't defend Canada's sovereignty. If the US invades Canada, we have 450,000 experienced retired and current members of the CAF to make the American experience painful. "If you can't take a joke, you should not have a defence budget." Gwynne Dyer 1 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
herbie Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Mark Carney Wins Conservative Leadership Race Double down, double down. The castle walls didn't fall because you're not beating your heads against it hard enough. 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 His win was obvious. Liberals are cheering even louder than Conservatives. His longer term future is still uncertain. 30% chance that there are more floor crossings which would make him a lame duck. He has shown negative aptitude at winning elections. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 36 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: He has shown negative aptitude at winning elections. While remaining a shining example of a career politician. 1 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Army Guy Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 7 hours ago, ExFlyer said: There were about 2500 people....is that 95% of the conservative members?? The Conservatives are celebrating Pierre Poilievre’s 87.4% “victory” like they just won the Stanley Cup. But here’s the part they don’t want you to know: This wasn’t an election. This was a confidence review run by party HQ. It wasn’t voted on by: • The public • Conservative voters • Or even the full CPC membership It was voted on by a small, tightly controlled group of registered party members approved by headquarters, the safest possible electorate. That’s not democracy. That’s a corporate board keeping their CEO. If Poilievre had lost: → THEN it would have gone to a real leadership election → THEN members would vote → THEN Canadians would see real competition But he didn’t face that. So no, he didn’t “win.” He was allowed to stay. That’s not a victory. That’s a boss not getting fired. This is the same guy who: • Blew a can’t-lose election • Lost his own seat • Drove MPs out of caucus • Became so toxic his party locked down the voting process And now the Conservatives are throwing confetti because he survived internal HR paperwork. That’s not leadership. That’s tenure. Pierre Poilievre wasn’t elected. He was selected. And every MP who quietly crosses the floor knows exactly what this “win” really means. The convention was a leadership review...to check in to see if the party want Pierre to remain in the leadership role...and the results are a historical high, for any conservative leader...So ya he has reason to celebrate...despite your fantasy list.. Liberal voters should be happy.... With 95 % of the conservative party at the convention and he received 87.4 % of the vote, which is a historical record for the conservative party....Did they win the Stanley cup...no this was Conservatives party members telling the world that they fully support Pierre as leader of the conservative party, your a liberal voter why does it bother you so much... ......only one making a fuss is you and the liberals.... 2 members crosses the floor...and you make it sound like there is a crises...all that happen was 2 conservatives crossed the floor, and in the next election we will see, if liberal voters in those riding will give him their votes if not it was career suicide... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted February 1 Author Report Posted February 1 (edited) 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: The convention was a leadership review...to check in to see if the party want Pierre to remain in the leadership role...and the results are a historical high, for any conservative leader...So ya he has reason to celebrate...despite your fantasy list.. Liberal voters should be happy.... With 95 % of the conservative party at the convention and he received 87.4 % of the vote, which is a historical record for the conservative party....Did they win the Stanley cup...no this was Conservatives party members telling the world that they fully support Pierre as leader of the conservative party, your a liberal voter why does it bother you so much... ......only one making a fuss is you and the liberals.... 2 members crosses the floor...and you make it sound like there is a crises...all that happen was 2 conservatives crossed the floor, and in the next election we will see, if liberal voters in those riding will give him their votes if not it was career suicide... Yes...that is why it was called a "Leadership Review"? Yes, the liberals are happy... I mentioned that before 95%??? "About 675,000 members have signed up to vote for a new leader of the Conservative Party of Canada". Only 3000 were invited fir the review and had to pay $1000 to attend. Who is making a fuss??? Making points is valid and if any points are incorrect, false, or a lie, please correct them. ( I did not write that list...I copy and pasted it) But they did cross the floor...where did anyone say it was a "crisis"? Edited February 1 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Barquentine Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 (edited) Listened to a few speeches- they're still running against Trudeau. Someone tell them he's not PM anymore. Danielle Smith gets an A+ for hypocrisy. Edited February 2 by Barquentine grammar 4 Quote
I am Groot Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Barquentine said: Listened to a few speeches- they're still running against Trudeau. Someone tell them he's not PM anymore. It's still Trudeau's party and Trudeau's policies. Carney has essentially changed nothing except to double the deficit Freeland resigned over because she said it was too big and would destroy our economic future. 1 1 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
ExFlyer Posted February 1 Author Report Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, I am Groot said: It's still Trudeau's party and Trudeau's policies. Carney has essentially changed nothing except to double the deficit Freeland resigned over because she said it was too big and would destroy our economic future. It is far from Trudeaus party and getting farther every day. Trudeau tore apart relationships and Carney is putting them together again and making more. There is no way Trudeau could have given the speech Carney did in Davos. Caney is getting world wide respect and attention whereas Trudeau was hunkering down in Rideau Cottage. No, it is not Trudeaus' party any more. 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
I am Groot Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 it's clear the Liberals have no idea what to do about improving the economy and no idea how to reach a trade deal with Trump. Carney's jet-setting lifestyle is performative nonsense. His speeches are like a father telling his small children everything is fine despite the car being repossessed and the family being evicted for non payment of rent. Increase our trade with others? How? Our West coast ports are pretty much at capacity and it would take years to expand them, and the process for even getting permissino would take even longer. Our east coast ports aren't much better, and the only one with an expansion underway is Montreal, and that's two additional slips. We can export 16% of our oil. No more. So all this talk of massive new trade expansion with other countries is just bluster and nonsense. It can't be done in anything under a decade. If the Liberals cared about the economy or Canada they'd change tactics, but instead, they're doubling down on fearmongering. The great negotiator, who would quickly get a trade deal with Trump now tells us to forget about the Americans, that China is our new friend. This is the same guy who told us last year that China was our most dangerous threat. I have little doubt Poilevre would do far better for us economically, but he'll have to fight through the left's fearmongering and bribery. The Liberals are running out of borrowing room to add more bribes, so are deliberately taunting Trump to keep up the threats and insults. That can only last so long, though. But the Conservatives need to be about more than the economy. They need to be about conservatism. And the root of conservatism is to conserve. I.e., to conserve the history, traditions, values, and culture of the country. All of those are under attack by the Left. All of English Canada's traditions and roots have been sawn away by the Liberals over the years because they lead to Britain, and the Liberals wanted to please Quebec by distancing us from them. But without a sense of shared identity, we are not a people. They didn't care. Trudeau even smugly said we were 'post nation' and had no core identity. But a country like that is fragile, with nothing to hold it together. Many younger Canadians in particular, feel lost because they've grown up with authority figures in schools, media, and government constantly berating them with what a terrible place Canada is, how it's an illegitimate state on stolen land, how it's genocidal and racist. All of this is utter nonsense and lies. Poilievre needs to commit to renewing what it means to be Canadian. And that does not include multiculturalism. The Prime Minister of the UK, the President of France, and the Chancellor of Germany have all stated that multiculturalism has been a disaster for them. But no politician in English Canada dares to challenge the concept. The problem is, you can have a multi-ethnic state, but if you are multicultural, then you are not one people. And as the current British PM has stated, you risk becoming an 'island of strangers' rather than a single people. Poilevre needs to drastically cut immigration. He has to address the lack of unity and tell newcomers they need to adapt and integrate, to embrace Canadian values, not just retain their old cultures and values. 2 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: It is far from Trudeaus party and getting farther every day. He has changed nothing. 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Trudeau tore apart relationships and Carney is putting them together again and making more. And Carney is tearing apart relationships with the US in order to cuddle up to China. 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: There is no way Trudeau could have given the speech Carney did in Davos. Trudeau gave a speech ten years ago that also got a standing ovation. Big whoop. 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Caney is getting world wide respect and attention whereas Trudeau was hunkering down in Rideau Cottage. And nobody is joining him in his quixotic quest to fight against the evil hegemon. Several have already repudiated him. This pathetic desire among so many liberal Canadians for 'respect' and approval from abroad has to stop. 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: No, it is not Trudeaus' party any more. His cabinet, his caucus, his courts, his appointees throughout government, and his policies. Edited February 1 by I am Groot Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
ExFlyer Posted February 1 Author Report Posted February 1 (edited) 17 minutes ago, I am Groot said: He has changed nothing. And Carney is tearing apart relationships with the US in order to cuddle up to China. Trudeau gave a speech ten years ago that also got a standing ovation. Big whoop. And nobody is joining him in his quixotic quest to fight against the evil hegemon. Several have already repudiated him. This pathetic desire among so many liberal Canadians for 'respect' and approval from abroad has to stop. His cabinet, his caucus, his courts, his appointees throughout government, and his policies. Are you actually saying Carney is casing the issue with the US??? WOW!!! Do you pay attention to what is going on in the world and especially the US?? Ten years ago??? LOL Trudeau also pissed off Trump 10 years ago LOL. Get in the present LOL All of Europe is agreeing with Carney and other nations in the world too. Here is AI respone to Carney world stature: " Based on recent, high-level political developments as of early 2026, Mark Carney, who became the 24th Prime Minister of Canada in March 2025, has established a significant stature in world politics as a, elite technocrat, a champion of multilateralism, and a vocal, principled counterweight to authoritarianism and protectionism. Here is a breakdown of Mark Carney’s stature in world politics: Global Economic Authority: Carney is distinguished by his unmatched experience leading two G7 central banks—the Bank of Canada (2008–2013) and the Bank of England (2013–2020)—which earned him immediate international credibility and a reputation for stability during crises. "Middle Power" Leader Against Protectionism: Following his 2025 rise to power, Carney emerged as a prominent defender of the international liberal order, particularly in opposition to the protectionist policies of U.S. President Donald Trump. He has actively urged middle powers to unite against dominance by larger nations. Architect of a "Third Path": In early 2026, Carney articulated a "third path" for democracies caught between U.S. unpredictability and China, focusing on "principled pragmatism" and building economic resilience through diversified trade links. Diplomatic Resets and Climate Focus: Beyond the U.S.-Canada relationship, Carney has worked to normalize relations with China and has a strong global footprint in climate finance, having served as the UN Special Envoy for Climate Action and Finance. Intellectual and Elite Status: He is often described as a "citizen of the world" or a "global elite," bringing a highly intellectual and data-driven approach (often described as "plan versus slogan") to international relations" What about his cabinet? He has experienced ministers and new ministers... His courts?? He has not appointed anyone to the courts. What appointments? We know you are a PP groupie...just mellow out and be happy he is still your leader...I know the Liberals are Edited February 1 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
I am Groot Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Are you actually saying Carney is casing the issue with the US??? Yes. Deliberately, so he can exploit the fears of liberals like you for votes. Poilievre would have had a deal within the first couple of months. 8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: All of Europe is agreeing with Carney and other nations in the world too. And they all cut deals with Trump. 8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Here is AI respone to Carney world stature: I don't give a shit about what the chattering classes at the WEF have to say. Anyone who dissed Trump at the WEF would have gotten similar applause. There are real-world concerns he sacrificed to get his accolades. 8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: What about his cabinet? He has experienced ministers and new ministers... Who proved their incompetence under Trudeau. 8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: His courts?? He has not appointed anyone to the courts. All the courts are stuffed with Liberal appointees specifically selected for their conformity with the Left's shallow, social justice activist beliefs. 8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: We know you are a PP groupie...just mellow out and be happy he is still your leader...I know the Liberals are I don't believe I've ever said much good about Poilievre aside from agreeing with some of his policies. But the Conservatives, whatever they're called, have always had a problem in selecting leaders due to bilingualism. Their base is out West and in rural Ontario. They lack the deep bench of bilingual MPs the Liberals always have. None of the last half dozen leaders would have been chosen leaders absent that bilingualism requirement. And btw, O'Toole was also called 'trumpist' and painted as a fellow traveler of white nationalists. ALL conservative leaders are disparaged by the media, and then by their mindless followers like you. 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
ironstone Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Are you actually saying Carney is casing the issue with the US??? WOW!!! Do you pay attention to what is going on in the world and especially the US?? Ten years ago??? LOL Trudeau also pissed off Trump 10 years ago LOL. Get in the present LOL All of Europe is agreeing with Carney and other nations in the world too. Here is AI respone to Carney world stature: " Based on recent, high-level political developments as of early 2026, Mark Carney, who became the 24th Prime Minister of Canada in March 2025, has established a significant stature in world politics as a, elite technocrat, a champion of multilateralism, and a vocal, principled counterweight to authoritarianism and protectionism. Here is a breakdown of Mark Carney’s stature in world politics: Global Economic Authority: Carney is distinguished by his unmatched experience leading two G7 central banks—the Bank of Canada (2008–2013) and the Bank of England (2013–2020)—which earned him immediate international credibility and a reputation for stability during crises. "Middle Power" Leader Against Protectionism: Following his 2025 rise to power, Carney emerged as a prominent defender of the international liberal order, particularly in opposition to the protectionist policies of U.S. President Donald Trump. He has actively urged middle powers to unite against dominance by larger nations. Architect of a "Third Path": In early 2026, Carney articulated a "third path" for democracies caught between U.S. unpredictability and China, focusing on "principled pragmatism" and building economic resilience through diversified trade links. Diplomatic Resets and Climate Focus: Beyond the U.S.-Canada relationship, Carney has worked to normalize relations with China and has a strong global footprint in climate finance, having served as the UN Special Envoy for Climate Action and Finance. Intellectual and Elite Status: He is often described as a "citizen of the world" or a "global elite," bringing a highly intellectual and data-driven approach (often described as "plan versus slogan") to international relations" What about his cabinet? He has experienced ministers and new ministers... His courts?? He has not appointed anyone to the courts. What appointments? We know you are a PP groupie...just mellow out and be happy he is still your leader...I know the Liberals are Pretty impressive reading. He probably has more conflicts of interest than any Prime Minister in history, yet somehow manages to avoid getting called out on it. With a resume like that he's still unable, or unwilling to tackle the problem of rising grocery prices?(the rebate is a tiny band-aid) What about his cabinet? Basically the same bunch that's been around since 2015 and many of them are rather pathetic at their jobs. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
ExFlyer Posted February 1 Author Report Posted February 1 14 minutes ago, ironstone said: Pretty impressive reading. He probably has more conflicts of interest than any Prime Minister in history, yet somehow manages to avoid getting called out on it. With a resume like that he's still unable, or unwilling to tackle the problem of rising grocery prices?(the rebate is a tiny band-aid) What about his cabinet? Basically the same bunch that's been around since 2015 and many of them are rather pathetic at their jobs. So, this person had a very notable and awarded career as opposed to being a lifelong politicians and he is being besmirched for conflict of interest? He is a self made man and has reaped the benefits of his work. When will you people get it??? Do you really want a government to put price control on everything?? He cannot control the price of things we import. "Despite being a major agricultural exporter, Canada relies heavily on imports for specific items, including 90% of leafy greens, 75% of fresh fruits, and roughly 50% of vegetables, with the U.S. providing the majority" He cannot tell the farmers how much to charge for their product...or do you want him to do that?? He has no control over the cost of producing foods in this country or other countries. He cannot tell publicly traded corporations to cut their profits to their shareholders (and chances are those corporations are in your banking and personal investments). The rebate is all he can do and all he has control of in an open free market. When a new CEO comes aboard...doe he/she fire everybody or does he/she look to the expertise some of the existing staff have gained over the years?? Yes, some were good and some were no so good but...was that a result of their actions or the direction given by the former CEO??? Did they follow policy and direction or were they loose cannons and did as they wanted no matter what? PP is telling his minions what to do and say...are they all good? Or are there some clowns in his group too? Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ironstone Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 34 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: So, this person had a very notable and awarded career as opposed to being a lifelong politicians and he is being besmirched for conflict of interest? He is a self made man and has reaped the benefits of his work. When will you people get it??? Do you really want a government to put price control on everything?? He cannot control the price of things we import. "Despite being a major agricultural exporter, Canada relies heavily on imports for specific items, including 90% of leafy greens, 75% of fresh fruits, and roughly 50% of vegetables, with the U.S. providing the majority" He cannot tell the farmers how much to charge for their product...or do you want him to do that?? He has no control over the cost of producing foods in this country or other countries. He cannot tell publicly traded corporations to cut their profits to their shareholders (and chances are those corporations are in your banking and personal investments). The rebate is all he can do and all he has control of in an open free market. When a new CEO comes aboard...doe he/she fire everybody or does he/she look to the expertise some of the existing staff have gained over the years?? Yes, some were good and some were no so good but...was that a result of their actions or the direction given by the former CEO??? Did they follow policy and direction or were they loose cannons and did as they wanted no matter what? PP is telling his minions what to do and say...are they all good? Or are there some clowns in his group too? No denying that Carney has been very successful in life. As for the 'self-made man' description, that might imply that he's an entrepreneur and that's misleading. With Brookfield, he helped buy companies as opposed to starting them. We have discussed the impact of the industrial carbon tax before and you flat out reject that it has any impact at all on food prices so there's little point in rehashing that. It seems that Canada isn't really a good place for business overall and we have to ask, why? Auto plants laying off people, moving to the US, restaurants across the country closing by the thousands. Nobody in Carney's cabinet really stands out in a good way. You describe Poilievre's team as minions, while Carney's are not? Carney is in a great position since at least half the country see the Liberals as virtually blameless for the state of the country. Melanie Joly??? Gary Anandasangaree??? Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
ExFlyer Posted February 1 Author Report Posted February 1 56 minutes ago, ironstone said: No denying that Carney has been very successful in life. As for the 'self-made man' description, that might imply that he's an entrepreneur and that's misleading. With Brookfield, he helped buy companies as opposed to starting them. We have discussed the impact of the industrial carbon tax before and you flat out reject that it has any impact at all on food prices so there's little point in rehashing that. It seems that Canada isn't really a good place for business overall and we have to ask, why? Auto plants laying off people, moving to the US, restaurants across the country closing by the thousands. Nobody in Carney's cabinet really stands out in a good way. You describe Poilievre's team as minions, while Carney's are not? Carney is in a great position since at least half the country see the Liberals as virtually blameless for the state of the country. Melanie Joly??? Gary Anandasangaree??? Look, discussing the accomplishments of a person can be fruitless. Fact is, he was a very successful public servant and businessman. The industrial carbon tax an easy scapegoat for high food prices. Here is some factual information on the "industrial carbon tax. It has been debunked as having impact on food prices but hey...keep on keeping on. The debate often highlights the difference between direct consumer taxes and indirect industrial taxes, with the former having a more visible impact on consumer habits and the latter potentially having more hidden, long-term structural impacts on the supply chain. Limited Direct Impact: Research from the Canadian Climate Institute and Bank of Canada suggests that industrial carbon pricing has a minimal effect on overall food prices, often cited as having "near-zero" or very low impact on household food expenditures. Upstream and Supply Chain Costs: While direct impact is low, the tax influences the supply chain upstream. Increased costs for energy, fertilizer, and transportation for processors and manufacturers can be passed on, leading to higher costs for specific food items, according to analysts like Sylvain Charlebois. Competitiveness Concerns: Some studies suggest that industrial carbon pricing can erode the competitiveness of the Canadian agri-food sector compared to international counterparts, particularly as rates rise toward 2030. Alternative Viewpoints: Other analyses argue that the "industrial" portion of the tax is less about consumer costs and more about large-emitter regulation, with minimal pass-through to the retail level compared to broader factors like inflation, global energy prices, and geopolitical issues. Exemptions and Structure: Many agricultural emissions, such as those from livestock and some farming activities, are exempt from direct carbon pricing, which helps limit the immediate impact on food production costs. Contextual Data (as of 2024–2026 reports): Inflation Impact: Studies suggest the carbon tax (combined with consumer, but focusing on industrial) contributes roughly 0.15% to 0.5% to total food inflation. Projected Impact: The federal carbon tax is scheduled to rise to $170 per tonne by 2030, increasing cost pressures over time. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
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