robosmith Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 4 minutes ago, Legato said: Once again you stray from the logical path. There is NOTHING illogical about identifying the FACT of Trump's PATHOLOGICAL LIES. Please tell us that you believe Trump is inherently honest. LMAO Quote
Legato Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 20 minutes ago, robosmith said: There is NOTHING illogical about identifying the FACT of Trump's PATHOLOGICAL LIES. Please tell us that you believe Trump is inherently honest. LMAO The path to logic is always logical. 1 Quote
John Stone Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 (edited) 40 minutes ago, robosmith said: Except that forced acquisition of Greenland would be a political firestorm. Just watching POV "Winter's Yearning" about ALCOA USA promising an Aluminum plant in a city in Greenland years ago. At first the town celebrated but 15 years later they are STILL WAITING for construction to begin. China will lead the world in EV within 5-7 years. Speculation is that over 70 percent of the World's EV will be manufactured and exported from China. To accomplish this China needs raw materials - specifically rare earth elements - crucial to critical components in the manufacture of E.V. China has over 40 percent (?) of the Globes reserves in rare earth elements. The US. has 4 percent. China is surging ahead in every aspect of manufacturing - the idea that any western nation is going to be competitive is laughable. China's consumption of energy (oil) drives demand - the problem is that they're expected to flatline in consumption within 5 years - the drive towards renewable energy has to be seen to be believed. Might be a good idea to brush up on some version of Chinese............... press 1 for Chinese? lol Political firestorm? How about another depression. Edited January 8 by John Stone Quote
John Stone Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 (edited) 17 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: WW2 began because one powerful country thought they had the right to invade and/or annex all the other countries in their sphere of influence for their own national self-interests. The logic is exactly the same. You're just another Republican warmonger. Someone dig up FDR please. I always find it amusing to compare Versailles with the Marshal Plan. Edited January 8 by John Stone Quote
herbie Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 What American citizen ever thought about Greenland before Diapered Donald declared he wanted' it? A country that willingly hosts US bases on it's soil, has never restricted US companies access to investment, was a founding member of NATO and even allowed US nukes on it's territory. The entire thing is absurd a distraction to be dragged out to intimidate others and deflect the attention of US citizens from the corruption and crumbling of democracy that's going on in the open. Quote
robosmith Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 17 minutes ago, John Stone said: China will lead the world in EV within 5-7 years. Speculation is that over 70 percent of the World's EV will be manufactured and exported from China. To accomplish this China needs raw materials - specifically rare earth elements - crucial to critical components in the manufacture of E.V. China has over 40 percent (?) of the Globes reserves in rare earth elements. The US. has 4 percent. China is surging ahead in every aspect of manufacturing - the idea that any western nation is going to be competitive is laughable. China's consumption of energy (oil) drives demand - the problem is that they're expected to flatline in consumption within 5 years - the drive towards renewable energy has to be seen to be believed. Might be a good idea to brush up on some version of Chinese............... press 1 for Chinese? lol Political firestorm? How about another depression. EVs are evolving rapidly. Reduction in REE requirements (esp Lithium) means much lower reliance on REE. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 1 hour ago, robosmith said: The job description as detailed in the Constitution is to "take care that the LAWS are FAILTHFULLY EXECUTED" which is diametrically opposed to breaking those LAWS. Duh Your appeal to popularity FALLACY is VERY LAME. Maybe learn some American history, which informs my "fallacy" reality. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
robosmith Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 26 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Maybe learn some American history, which informs my "fallacy" reality. Your "reality" is far from the truth. 13 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: No, why would I be ? The American electorate chose Trump by a decisive margin, despite his arrogance and convictions. What you believe is a "decisive margin" is the smallest winning popular vote margin in history. AKA he barely squeaked by. 13 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: President Trump is doing what he campaigned to do as the next American president. No, he has made MAJOR DEPARTURES, and MAGA is pissed. He said he knew NOTHING about Project 2025, which was a LIE. He hired most of the AUTHORS and is closely following the plan. He never campaigned on hiring Muskrat to fire 10s of thousands of government employees. He promised no more wars for nation building, and apparently you don't understand Venezuela promises. He said he would release the Epstein files and MAGA wants accountability while Trump is STALLING. He campaigned on lowering prices and implemented tariffs which are RAISING THEM. You obviously don't understand that Trump is UNDERWATER on all major issues in the polls. AKA your appeal to popularity is NOT POPULAR. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 25 minutes ago, robosmith said: He campaigned on lowering prices and implemented tariffs which are RAISING THEM. You obviously don't understand that Trump is UNDERWATER on all major issues in the polls. AKA your appeal to popularity is NOT POPULAR. Some prices are up....some are down: Quote As of late 2025 and early 2026 during President Trump's second term, certain prices have seen declines, while others have continued to rise . Price changes can vary based on the specific product, data source (e.g., White House reports vs. independent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics or news analyses), and time frame. Items with Reported Price Declines According to various reports, the following prices have generally trended downward or seen specific monthly declines: Eggs: After record highs in early 2025 due to bird flu, prices have fallen substantially. Gasoline: Prices have generally trended downward in recent months, with the national average lower than in previous years, though figures vary by state and data source. Certain Prescription Drugs: The Trump administration announced agreements with major pharmaceutical companies (including Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk) to offer some drugs, such as Ozempic and Wegovy, at "Most Favored Nation" (MFN) prices through a specific program, significantly reducing their cost. Various Groceries: Specific grocery items that have seen price declines over the past year or recent months include butter, ice cream, fresh fruits, frozen meals, packaged meals, certain cereals and bars, and some condiments. Other Goods and Services: Prices for airfare, used vehicles, hotels, computers, phones, batteries, and certain personal care items like toothpaste and shampoo have also reportedly decreased. Items with Reported Price Increases Despite some declines, overall inflation remains a concern, and several key categories have seen prices increase: Ground Beef/Beef Steaks: Prices for ground beef and beef steaks have surged, up significantly from a year ago due to low U.S. cattle inventory and other factors. Coffee: Prices for coffee have risen sharply, partly attributed to climate issues affecting growing regions. Housing/Rent/Utilities: While shelter inflation is at a four-year low in terms of the rate of change, overall housing costs, electricity rates, and natural gas prices remain a significant concern for many Americans. Overall Food at Home: Despite some items falling, the overall index for food at home has risen over the past year. Trump is the U.S. president whether you like it or not. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
robosmith Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 21 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Some prices are up....some are down: Trump is the U.S. president whether you like it or not. ^ Doesn't excuse your LIE that he's doing what he campaigned on. He LIED and you're perpetuating HIS LIES. 🤮 Quote
Nationalist Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 1 hour ago, herbie said: What American citizen ever thought about Greenland before Diapered Donald declared he wanted' it? A country that willingly hosts US bases on it's soil, has never restricted US companies access to investment, was a founding member of NATO and even allowed US nukes on it's territory. The entire thing is absurd a distraction to be dragged out to intimidate others and deflect the attention of US citizens from the corruption and crumbling of democracy that's going on in the open. Crumbling of democracy? Holy theatrical, Batman! Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
herbie Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 Theatre being plyed out before your very eyes by people that aren't just acting. Keep your eyes squeezed shut until they're done! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 30 minutes ago, robosmith said: ^ Doesn't excuse your LIE that he's doing what he campaigned on. He LIED and you're perpetuating HIS LIES. 🤮 Nope....his lies are a feature...not a bug. Trump v2.0 is only in his first year...much more to come. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
robosmith Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 30 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nope....his lies are a feature...not a bug. Trump v2.0 is only in his first year...much more to come. Only to MAGA DUPES. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 1 minute ago, robosmith said: Only to MAGA DUPES. MAGA voters count too...you lost. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cougar Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 (edited) 10 hours ago, John Stone said: As of 2025 Greenland's reserves in REE are est. at 1.5 million metric tons - making it a strategic alternative to China's dominance in global supply. If I was eyeing geo-conquest I'd def be eyeing Greenland - it represents the future - oil the past. Except the resources do not belong to you. You can buy them from Greenland at international prices. If I were to follow your f-d up logic, I can go to any bank in town with a gun in hand, ask them to hand over $5 mil to me, because I need it for my security , if they object , I can either tell them "Shut up piggy!" or simply shoot them and still get the money. This is US democracy at its core. Edited January 8 by cougar Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 12 hours ago, Nationalist said: Not to protect Greenland. To manage the northern passage. This is not a threat. Its an initial negotiation position. Man...do you always fold so easily? Stay away from poker games. You keep changing the goalposts, but I will keep trying to get you to answer a simple question. Why does the USA need to control Greenland to manage the northern passage? Quote
Nationalist Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: You keep changing the goalposts, but I will keep trying to get you to answer a simple question. Why does the USA need to control Greenland to manage the northern passage? Because Canada is not capable and the other option is Russia. Take your pick. 3 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: You keep changing the goalposts, but I will keep trying to get you to answer a simple question. Why does the USA need to control Greenland to manage the northern passage? For the same reason that the USA needed Iceland to "manage" the GIUK gap during the Cold War. Geography matters, and the United States has enjoyed and seeks to continue exploiting geographic advantage for bases, power projection, logistics, intelligence gathering, etc. Quote The GIUK Gap (Greenland-Iceland-United Kingdom) is a critical, narrow maritime passage in the North Atlantic, essentially the space between these landmasses, connecting the Norwegian Sea/Arctic to the open Atlantic and serving as a major naval choke point, vital for controlling sea lanes and projecting power, especially between Russia and NATO, with Iceland being a key geographical anchor for monitoring this strategically important region 2 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
TreeBeard Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Because Canada is not capable and the other option is Russia. Take your pick. You don’t think allied countries could come to an agreement about the northern passage? I think you’re just making stuff up. You are all over the place on this topic. I’m not sure you even know where Greenland is. 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: For the same reason that the USA needed Iceland to "manage" the GIUK gap during the Cold War. Geography matters, and the United States has enjoyed and seeks to continue exploiting geographic advantage for bases, power projection, logistics, intelligence gathering, etc. There’s an agreement. No one needed to invade! 😂 Edited January 8 by TreeBeard Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: There’s an agreement. No one needed to invade! 😂 No one has invaded...but the U.S. has long maintained contingency plans to do so...long before Trump. Canada already knows this. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Nationalist Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: You don’t think allied countries could come to an agreement about the northern passage? I think you’re just making stuff up. You are all over the place on this topic. I’m not sure you even know where Greenland is. There’s an agreement. No one needed to invade! 😂 I dont think "the allied countries" could manage their own countries. Hell i dont even think they're very good allies. There are protests and riots regularly in most large EU cities. Big ones. Lots of people who never get to be on TV news...for some reason... No on needed to invade the USA either. But if I remember correctly, Libbies like you loved it. Grow up. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 18 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Thank you...it's a dirty job but somebody has to do it. NATO loves the American pricks when it suites "collective defence", especially deadbeat members like Canada. There's that American chickenhawk bravado on cue! NATO members and everyone else in the world, including China and Russia, know how stoopid your username likenesses (how embarrassing!) were in foreign policy and looks like Trump is doing his best impression. America circling the drain with these knuckle-draggers in charge. Good luck with the entire world against you... 2 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
TreeBeard Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: America circling the drain with these knuckle-draggers in charge. Good luck with the entire world against you... That kind of hubris always rears its head every few years with some whacky world leader. They never learn from history though. No country of any significance has managed to impose their will on their own nation, let alone nations they choose to invade for long and not without making them poor. China has never been as wealthy as when they opened up to the rest of the world. And if they decide imperialism is the way to go, then the world stops buying their stuff and they become poor again. Russia had a good run for 4 decades with their populace behind the iron curtain facing bread lines. Their economy is retracting as the west stops buying their stuff and their mighty military can’t even take but a small portion of Ukraine. Cooperation and trade has made the USA the richest country ever. War and strife will end that. Jingoistic fools cheer this behaviour on. Edited January 9 by TreeBeard 1 Quote
cougar Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: Because Canada is not capable and the other option is Russia. Take your pick. Russia hands down! They have not threatened to make you their next republic; neither have invaded other nations just to steal their resources. 1 Quote
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