Moonlight Graham Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 The allies of the US are evaporating. At least Trump has Russia (which isn't a US ally at all). Trump's arrogance will ultimately be his downfall. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: As soon as Trump is gone, Greenland will kick the American military out of the country. The base will be operated by other NATO nations. The US won't ever be trusted again as an ally as long as there's any US politicians evoking Trumpism. Trump is blowing up the country economically and politically. 1 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
User Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 3 hours ago, robosmith said: In reality it is your ^WHINING that is the SPAM here with ZERO substance. And Trump planning to take Greenland is a major issue du jour, esp after he just invaded Venuzuela, and all you can do is WHINE. When you offer something of substance, I can respond with substance. Until then, you are little more than a worthless, lazy spambot troll. Quote
User Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said: Do you agree with Trump that the US should annex Greenland against their wishes, even using military means? That is not what was said. For as stupid as Trump's comments were, your dishonesty about them is no better. 3 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Dodging is the only way a coward can earn a badge. Here you go. Let me know when you grow the testicles to answer the question honestly. You clearly know a lot about having a badge like this as you dodged my question. Also, you have run away from almost all, if not every, thread we have ever been in. Edited January 7 by User Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 37 minutes ago, User said: That is not what was said. For as stupid as Trump's comments were, your dishonesty about them is no better. STFU you lying Russian bot. The WH said this yesterday, just 3 days after invading Venezuela, capturing its crappy leader, and stealing its oil: “President Trump has made it well known that acquiring Greenland is a national security priority of the United States, and it’s vital to deter our adversaries in the Arctic region,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a Tuesday statement to CNN. “The President and his team are discussing a range of options to pursue this important foreign policy goal, and of course, utilizing the U.S. Military is always an option at the Commander in Chief’s disposal.” https:/www.cnn.com/2026/01/06/politics/us-options-greenland-military 1 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
User Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said: STFU you lying Russian bot. The WH said this yesterday, just 3 days after invading Venezuela, capturing its crappy leader, and stealing its oil: The only liar here is you: Trump: Military is always an option You: US should annex Greenland against their wishes even using military means Again, what Trump said was dumb enough without you clowns having to lie about it. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, User said: The only liar here is you: Trump: Military is always an option You: US should annex Greenland against their wishes even using military means Again, what Trump said was dumb enough without you clowns having to lie about it. It's literally the exact same thing. Are you daft? Lol Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 Trump “considering using military” to take Greenland says White House | BBC News https://youtu.be/u-8dZ-K62Fs?si=hOryws89nXtTcrdi Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
User Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 10 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: It's literally the exact same thing. Are you daft? Lol You clearly do not understand the meaning of "literally" at all. You are being dishonest, pushing what he said to mean more than he actually said. Why? Because you lie, you lie over and over again because Trump has eaten your brain. 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 3 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Those Canadian and European companies would just pivot (eventually) to each other as defence products in a new non-US NATO would have to go waaay up. Or they would pivot to something else entirely. Most Canadian “defence” companies - and there aren’t that many - are dual-use manufacturers rather than pure-play military. It's not that easy...many of the U.S., Canadian, and EU partners provide subcontracted systems and parts that cannot be sourced from other places. Just like automotive production, western defence manufacturing and embedded systems integrate parts across many borders. For instance, nearly one third of Sweden's Grippen strike fighter is American made content, notably the GE F-414 turbofan engines, and so are several of the missiles (Sidewinder, AMRAAM, Maverick, etc.) and other components. Similarly, Canada's GD Land Defence operations in Ontario is a U.S. subsidiary and is reliant on American capital and subcontracting, with many parts crossing the border (several times). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Do you agree with Trump that the US should annex Greenland against their wishes, even using military means? I believe that the U.S. should do whatever is in the national and allied interest, as in the past. The U.S. had designs on Greenland going back to 1867, and many times since with many presidents. The precedent is not new or surprising given current world affairs, the same concerns that led to many U.S. bases (up to 17) in the past. There is a 1951 defence agreement between Denmark and the United States that supports continued American footprint on Greenland. I read that Denmark's military is smaller than the New York City police department, and is incapable of holding Greenland (from any potential adversary). Just because it's Trump doesn't change the calculus or history. Hell, Canadians in Stephenville, Newfoundland still commemorate their post WW2 American air force base (Ernest Harmon AFB). I have audio tapes from my old man entertaining the troops there in 1957. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 1 hour ago, User said: You clearly do not understand the meaning of "literally" at all. You are being dishonest, pushing what he said to mean more than he actually said. Why? Because you lie, you lie over and over again because Trump has eaten your brain. HAHAHA. I quoted the White House, not Trump. You can't even read. All you have are lies and empty denials, you have nothing. So again, stop lying you Russian bot and STFU. Canadians aren't as dumb as American Republican supporters so your Trump con-job parroting won't work on them. Stick with the easy marks lol. 1 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
User Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 Just now, Moonlight Graham said: HAHAHA. I quoted the White House, not Trump. You can't even read. All you have are lies and empty denials, you have nothing. So again, stop lying you Russian bot and STFU. Canadians aren't as dumb as American Republican supporters so your Trump con-job parroting won't work on them. Stick with the easy marks lol. The White House speaks for Trump; either way, the quote isn't what you claimed. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I believe that the U.S. should do whatever is in the national and allied interest, as in the past. The U.S. had designs on Greenland going back to 1867, and many times since with many presidents. The precedent is not new or surprising given current world affairs, the same concerns that led to many U.S. bases (up to 17) in the past. There is a 1951 defence agreement between Denmark and the United States that supports continued American footprint on Greenland. I read that Denmark's military is smaller than the New York City police department, and is incapable of holding Greenland (from any potential adversary). Just because it's Trump doesn't change the calculus or history. Hell, Canadians in Stephenville, Newfoundland still commemorate their post WW2 American air force base (Ernest Harmon AFB). I have audio tapes from my old man entertaining the troops there in 1957. Answer the question. Yes or no? Just now, User said: The White House speaks for Trump; either way, the quote isn't what you claimed. That's because you can't read. Typical of a GOP supporter. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said: Answer the question. Yes or no? If circumstances make it necessary, then yes. It's not complicated. See U.S. history: Louisiana Purchase, Alaska, Mexico, Florida, Texas, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Virgin Islands, Samoa, etc. What makes Greenland so special ? 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Nationalist Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 7 hours ago, TreeBeard said: The question was can they? I thought that was a given. I have been under the impression that the point of debate has always been “should they”. Yes they probably should. Unless you'd rather Russia and the US fight over it? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Michael Hardner Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: What makes Greenland so special ? It's not Greenland, it's the times. You are citing events that happened over 200 years ago. America's greatness culminated in its leadership of forging a new global order, headquartered in New York. With that came a set of rules that ensured it would be at the center of everything. Economic, military, political. Does the current leadership measure up, In terms of character and intelligence, to the decades of American leaders that built that world order? Only a minority of Americans, and almost no one in the domain of allies think so. I'm not saying anything about the morality of this play, just that it seems utterly unachievable without more support.... And as such it seems like a reckless effort. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 8 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Do ANY of the MAGA trolls on this forum have the gonads to actually admit Trump has ZERO moral ethical or legal justification to forcibly annex Greenland from a NATO ally? Can ANY of them even try to explain with a straight face how this is anything different than when Hitler annexed Poland or when Putin annexed Crimea? What I see is them all avoiding the topic Beave...the US is NATO. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: It's not Greenland, it's the times. You are citing events that happened over 200 years ago. And some events that happened more recent than that. The point is that they have happened many times in the past...in the times of that period. Nothing special about today in that respect. Quote America's greatness culminated in its leadership of forging a new global order, headquartered in New York. With that came a set of rules that ensured it would be at the center of everything. Economic, military, political. Right....a club dominated by superpowers...and for NATO, "keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down". Greenland got more Americans than ever after that. Quote Does the current leadership measure up, In terms of character and intelligence, to the decades of American leaders that built that world order? Only a minority of Americans, and almost no one in the domain of allies think so. Doesn't matter...the current leadership is what we have to work with. Don't think for a minute that the world was thrilled with decisions by previous leaders (e.g. Suez Crisis, Vietnam War, Iraq War, etc.). Quote I'm not saying anything about the morality of this play, just that it seems utterly unachievable without more support.... And as such it seems like a reckless effort. Agreed...has nothing to do with morality. Just ask "indigenous" peoples of the Americas...and elsewhere. It is achievable through negotiation and treaty...just like in Canada ! As for reckless...spot on...it is what Americans have done for over 200 years (see what I did there? ). Edited January 7 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: If circumstances make it necessary, then yes. It's not complicated. See U.S. history: Louisiana Purchase, Alaska, Mexico, Florida, Texas, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Virgin Islands, Samoa, etc. What makes Greenland so special ? The fact that WW2 began based on the same logic you're espousing and the UN Charter (its creation spearheaded by the US) was created to prevent more similar wars If you want to create new international norms without international law where involuntary annexations are routine by any countries that think they can get away with it, including America's enemies, that's a really stupid and dangerous foreign policy not in anyone's interests and could easily lead to many new wars, maybe even WW3. Also, the places you listed became a part of the US prior to the UN Charter when European empires still ruled, and some joined voluntarily by vote or purchase Threatening Denmark and its allies with war if they don't sell Greenland isn't peaceful. Trump/Vance are even more arrogant than Bush/Cheney were, or Putin. Neither have any clue what they're doing. They just like smashing things and claiming it's theirs like a big bully baby in a sandbox. Mommy should have spanked them more growing up. 2 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Beave...the US is NATO. Not for long. 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Nationalist Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said: Not for long. Hopefully not. NATO is a toothless old hag that needs to be put down. Its brought nothing but destruction for decades now. And who pays for it? The American public. If you think NATO can survive without the US, you just plain stupid. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
paxamericana Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 (edited) 11 hours ago, TreeBeard said: As soon as Trump is gone, Greenland will kick the American military out of the country. The base will be operated by other NATO nations. Uh huh, Greenland and what military exactly? There’s 50000 elderly inhabitants. Greenland is an Island. Taking Greenland back would require a naval power that can defeat the world’s most dangerous Navy the USN. Good luck with that. Best you all learn to accept the new/previous age that is Donning upon you. Oh and you’re next Canada. Best you learn how to speak American! Edited January 7 by paxamericana Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 14 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Hopefully not. NATO is a toothless old hag that needs to be put down. Its brought nothing but destruction for decades now. And who pays for it? The American public. If you think NATO can survive without the US, you just plain stupid. It's members aren't going to go their separate ways after they kick the US out. Maybe they'll vote internally on who they'll align with per each individual conflict. 1 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Nationalist Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 20 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: The fact that WW2 began based on the same logic you're espousing and the UN Charter (its creation spearheaded by the US) was created to prevent more similar wars If you want to create new international norms without international law where involuntary annexations are routine by any countries that think they can get away with it, including America's enemies, that's a really stupid and dangerous foreign policy not in anyone's interests and could easily lead to many new wars, maybe even WW3. Also, the places you listed became a part of the US prior to the UN Charter when European empires still ruled, and some joined voluntarily by vote or purchase Threatening Denmark and its allies with war if they don't sell Greenland isn't peaceful. Trump/Vance are even more arrogant than Bush/Cheney were, or Putin. Neither have any clue what they're doing. They just like smashing things and claiming it's theirs like a big bully baby in a sandbox. Mommy should have spanked them more growing up. Boy...your TDS is showing. Nobody said Denmark has been threatened. But in order for you to exercise your hatred, you have to lie. That's one of the biggest problems you limp biscuits have. In order to make your points, you have to lie. 2 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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