BeaverFever Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 1 hour ago, User said: That was the point of my comment and you ignored that and tried to change the subject. I have responded to others like Moonlight on this. Don’t consider my treatment of you to be more than it is. If you really want me to respond to your question on something Trump has said, then provide me the exact quote from Trump, not your twisted dishonest phrasing and then what your question is you want answered. LMAO you will only comment to defend Trump’s exact quotes but not provide any original thoughts of your own. Hilarious. Thanks for proving my point. 1 Quote
paxamericana Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 31 minutes ago, robosmith said: "They" is ONLY one country which is why you've POSTED ONLY a naked link. Duh Remind me to care when Germany decides to be a naval power Quote
robosmith Posted January 7 Author Report Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: I do not believe Trump will forcibly take Greenland. Instead I think he'll flood the zone with military bases and American businesses. This will bring a prosperity that the people of Greenland will not want to lose. In essence...he'll buy Greenland's cooperation. Just because you're willing to SELL OUT your country's SOVEREIGNTY doesn't mean EVERYONE ELSE IS. Quote
robosmith Posted January 7 Author Report Posted January 7 9 minutes ago, paxamericana said: Remind me to care when Germany decides to be a naval power How the GERMAN Military Will Become Europe's Most Powerful... www.youtube.com › watch 22:18 Is Germany's military transformation urgent? Germany's Defense ... How the GERMAN Military Will Become Europe's Most POWERFUL Force. YouTube · The Military Show · Aug 5, 2024 Quote Germany is a capable, modern naval power within NATO, contributing globally to security, but historically, it's been more of a land power, with significant naval ambitions (like Kaiser Wilhelm II's) often limited by geography, resources, and strategic focus, leading to strong but ultimately secondary fleets compared to Britain in WWI and focusing on U-boats in WWII rather than large surface fleets. Today, the German Navy (Deutsche Marine) supports NATO/UN missions, protects sea lanes, and is modernizing with new frigates and submarines, demonstrating blue-water capability 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 23 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Thank for answering the question How will he actually flood Greenland with businesses? Force Greenland to accept mass migration of MAGA-friendly businesspeople from USA? What if Greenland refuses to accept those people or grant them business licenses? What kind of business would an American open in Greenland anyway? I know Denmark granted USA military access to Greenland back in 1941 (which defeats Trump’s claim that US needs it for Atlantic security since US military is already there) but I don’t know that it’s permission to build unlimited bases without their approval. Danish intelligence has already reported that Trump operatives are already in Greenland attempting to recruit local collaborators and influencers compile lists of potential local enemies to discredit and isolate and to catalog anti-Denmark narratives and propaganda opportunities that will resonate with locals. If any foreign government were doing this in USA Americans would already be called a hostile act. Under Trump if you even remind military members that under US law they have a legal obligation to disobey illegal orders, you’re guilty of sedition, but apparently it’s perfectly fine for them to convince members of an allied country to commit treason and collaborate with a country trying to annex them. 1. By building large bases that require goods. Plus a mountain of jobs for locals. Where there's money to be made, business will be there. 2. Again...the financial benefits will outweigh any belligerence. 3. Of course they're there "priming the pumps". 4. Question: What is your HONEST intent in "reminding" soldiers that which the military itself teaches them? 15 minutes ago, robosmith said: Just because you're willing to SELL OUT your country's SOVEREIGNTY doesn't mean EVERYONE ELSE IS. Oh thou art of such little intelligence. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 49 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: LMAO you will only comment to defend Trump’s exact quotes but not provide any original thoughts of your own. Hilarious. Thanks for proving my point. You asked me to comment on Trumps comments, at least your dishonest paraphrasing of them. Now you balk when I ask you to provide the exact quote. You are a joke. Go cry some more about how I won’t engage when I’m sitting here trying to. Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 8 hours ago, Nationalist said: Yes they probably should. Unless you'd rather Russia and the US fight over it? So your reasoning is that if they don’t take it then Russia will. Russia who can’t even win a war in Ukraine. Assuming you’re correct, why can’t the USA defend Greenland without stealing it, or invading it? Don’t they have a military base there already? Quote
CDN1 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Just because you're willing to SELL OUT your country's SOVEREIGNTY doesn't mean EVERYONE ELSE IS. Lol. These European governments are genociding their own people and culture, and continue to flood them with third worlders & Islamists despite the growing red flags & alarm bells. They've already sold out and there's no ground left to stand on now. Edited January 7 by CDN1 Quote
paxamericana Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Just because you're willing to SELL OUT your country's SOVEREIGNTY doesn't mean EVERYONE ELSE IS. No he’s the sane one. There are a few Canucks on here who realizes the truth. That Canada is better off being a State. Greenland is just an extension of that idea. Edited January 7 by paxamericana Quote
Nationalist Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 26 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: So your reasoning is that if they don’t take it then Russia will. Russia who can’t even win a war in Ukraine. Assuming you’re correct, why can’t the USA defend Greenland without stealing it, or invading it? Don’t they have a military base there already? Huh...typical. Fist of all, Russia pans both oceans. Greenland likely ain't as important to them. Who said steal? Play straight or dont play. 2 minutes ago, paxamericana said: No he’s the sane one. There are a few Canucks on here who realizes the truth. That Canada is better off being a State. Greenland is just an extension of that idea. Meh...state...province...just gimme a nation that makes sense! Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted January 7 Author Report Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Oh thou art of such little intelligence. You're so stupid all you can muster is unsubstantiated ^ad hominems. 57 minutes ago, CDN1 said: Lol. These European governments are genociding their own people and culture, and continue to flood them with third worlders & Islamists despite the growing red flags & alarm bells. They've already sold out and there's no ground left to stand on now. NO EVIDENCE of "genociding" outside of Gaza. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: ...why can’t the USA defend Greenland without stealing it, or invading it? If we only had some kind of North Atlantic Treaty to do that.... 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Under Trump if you even remind military members that under US law they have a legal obligation to disobey illegal orders, you’re guilty of sedition, but apparently it’s perfectly fine for them to convince members of an allied country to commit treason and collaborate with a country trying to annex them. This is theoretically true for any president, not just Trump. And yet, many Joint Chiefs on down have followed "illegal" orders many times. This is a very weak argument based on U.S. history. No reason to single out Trump in this regard. The United States government has many, many balls (legal and illegal) in the air when it comes to foreign policy, military operations, separate CIA missions, intelligence gathering, disinformation campaigns, regime change, etc., and this includes "allies". Has been the case for many decades...before Trump. The U.S. is the same as it ever was. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 6 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Sounds like you’re assuming that US pulling out of NATO means some sort of complete trade embargo I don’t think US leaving NATO means Canadian defence manufacturing can’t get components from US suppliers or vice versa. No, I'm talking about garden variety arm twisting and sanctions by the U.S. government...no war required. Canada and other NATO allies are fully aware of the economic ramifications of challenging U.S. foreign policy, and they just have to decide if it's worth it. Greenland's autonomy does not rise to this level...yet. I remember (1980's) when several EU nations cried and moaned about Ronald Reagan's Pershing II missiles and nuclear cruise missiles (ALCMs) in Europe...then the wall came down and Reagan is now a hero. Can't make this stuff up. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
robosmith Posted January 7 Author Report Posted January 7 19 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: This is theoretically true for any president, not just Trump. And yet, many Joint Chiefs on down have followed "illegal" orders many times. This is a very weak argument based on U.S. history. No reason to single out Trump in this regard. The United States government has many, many balls (legal and illegal) in the air when it comes to foreign policy, military operations, separate CIA missions, intelligence gathering, disinformation campaigns, regime change, etc., and this includes "allies". Has been the case for many decades...before Trump. The U.S. is the same as it ever was. Trump is the ONLY POTUS since Nixon who has claimed that "if the President does it, that means it's legal." As Suzy Wiles said, Trump believes he can do whatever he wants. AKA alcoholic personality. Quote
suds Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, robosmith said: Trump is UNILATERALLY DESTROYING the world order and the DO NOTHING RepubliCON Congress is complicit. https://www.facebook.com/reel/1696087011352095 VIDEO The world order is rapidly changing (with or without Trump), falling into different spheres of influence predominantly under Russian, Chinese, and U.S. control. The U.S. recognizing this is why they wanted China out of Panama, and both Russia and China out of Venezuela. China regularly violates International Law with its actions in the South China Sea and yet you seldom hear any complaints about Chinese violations. Russia does the same. The thing about International Law or Rule of Law is that both imply that someone enforces it, which is usually on the international scale.... the U.S. And enforcing it requires a tremendous amount of resources and military involvement which is not cheap. Canada, Greenland/Denmark, and the U.S. need to negotiate some agreement pertaining to national security in the far north. Maybe they could offer the U.S. mineral rights or drilling rights in specific areas to offset costs which might be a good place to begin. We can't do this by ourselves. Edited January 7 by suds Quote
paxamericana Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: If we only had some kind of North Atlantic Treaty to do that.... We’re already doing that. Been doing that since WWII . The us already parks its military bases on Greenland. The old plan was to just carry on this way. But Necessity of clear owner ship implies rights that are not subject to international whims. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: Trump is the ONLY POTUS since Nixon who has claimed that "if the President does it, that means it's legal." As Suzy Wiles said, Trump believes he can do whatever he wants. AKA alcoholic personality. Nope...several other presidents have done it...and the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled that presidents are not criminally liable for official actions...they are "presumptively immune". Many presidents after Nixon (and before) have acted "illegally". https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
TreeBeard Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Who said steal? Play straight or dont play. Did you just move the goalposts to avoid the question? Is “invading and occupying” a better description for you? Why would the USA need to invade and occupy Greenland in order to defend it from the Russians? Quote
robosmith Posted January 7 Author Report Posted January 7 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nope...several other presidents have done it...and the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled that presidents are not criminally liable for official actions...they are "presumptively immune". Many presidents after Nixon (and before) have acted "illegally". https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf They can still be impeached for bribery, treason, high crimes and misdemeanors and then prosecuted. Who besides Nixon and Trump said whatever they do is legal? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 27 minutes ago, robosmith said: They can still be impeached for bribery, treason, high crimes and misdemeanors and then prosecuted. Who besides Nixon and Trump said whatever they do is legal? Trump was impeached twice...still served a full term...now on his second. Supreme Court said it is legal. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 (edited) 12 hours ago, Nationalist said: Boy...your TDS is showing. Nobody said Denmark has been threatened. But in order for you to exercise your hatred, you have to lie. That's one of the biggest problems you limp biscuits have. In order to make your points, you have to lie. Hey congrats you're illiterate and call other people liars when you can't read. No wait, you're just a Russian bot right? 12 hours ago, Nationalist said: Ya...that'll work... Man...you truly do live in LaLaLand. You're the one who thinks the Trump admin didn't just threaten Greenland with military action. Edited January 8 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 9 hours ago, CDN1 said: Taking control of Venezuela's oil is a direct hit against Russia, China, Iran, and Cuba. This helps Ukraine, could lead to regime change and revolution in Iran. The changing demographics of Europe are destined to violently destabilize the region, making it an existential liability to the future security of the United States. On the other hand, they're stealing oil from another sovereign country and ripped up the UN Charter. Gee, hope tanks roll into Alberta next. You know, cuz China. 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
paxamericana Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: On the other hand, they're stealing oil from another sovereign country and ripped up the UN Charter. Gee, hope tanks roll into Alberta next. You know, cuz China. It’s time to make Canada America again… Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Hey congrats you're illiterate and call other people liars when you can't read. No wait, you're just a Russian bot right? I don’t think he’s a bot. He really does like the Russians for reasons I’m going to speculate on…. I am under the impression that he hates what has happened in his country of Canada so much… gay marriage, immigration of minorities, Liberal victories, a guy named Trudeau as PM…. He wants to “own the libs” so badly that he would like to see the country go down the tubes so he can claim it was the fault of the “libs” rather than the country to thrive under a Liberal government and more non-white people here. That’s my guess. I feel sorry for him. Edited January 8 by TreeBeard Quote
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