ironstone Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 (edited) If Maduro is to face trial in New York, what happens if there is a Democrat appointed judge presiding over the case? 😉 That kind of judge may see this as an opportunity to stick it to Trump. Edited January 4 by ironstone Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
paxamericana Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 27 minutes ago, ironstone said: If Maduro is to face trial in New York, what happens if there is a Democrat appointed judge presiding over the case? 😉 That kind of judge may see this as an opportunity to stick it to Trump. Trump does have the power to pardon Maduro Quote
Barquentine Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 22 hours ago, Shady said: And give one to Obama for his war against Libya. Oh wait, he did get one! Some differences: "President Barack Obama authorized a limited U.S. military intervention in Libya in 2011, leading a NATO-backed coalition to enforce a UN resolution protecting civilians from Muammar Gaddafi's forces during the Arab Spring uprisings, resulting in Gaddafi's overthrow and death, though the intervention later led to instability, which Obama later called a "worst mistake" due to poor post-conflict planning." Quote
ironstone Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 47 minutes ago, paxamericana said: Trump does have the power to pardon Maduro My point was, what if Maduro is found not guilty? Or found guilty but the judge overturns the verdict? It will be in New York so there is the anti-Trump bias to consider. A Democrat appointed judge in Minnesota overturned a $7.2 million fraud conviction against Somalians despite the verdict of the jury. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Barquentine Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 20 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: defenseless nation of Iran who as we speak are being shot by the Islamic Republic mercenaries for peaceful demonstrations. Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper charges in a memoir out May 10 that former President Trump said when demonstrators were filling the streets around the White House following the death of George Floyd: "Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?" Quote
Shady Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Barquentine said: Some differences: "President Barack Obama authorized a limited U.S. military intervention in Libya in 2011, leading a NATO-backed coalition to enforce a UN resolution protecting civilians from Muammar Gaddafi's forces during the Arab Spring uprisings, resulting in Gaddafi's overthrow and death, though the intervention later led to instability, which Obama later called a "worst mistake" due to poor post-conflict planning." Seems like this military action is even more limited than the action against Libya. So what if he called it a mistake ? (Cite?). He still did it, after receiving a Nobel peace prize for nothing, 18 hours ago, Radiorum said: attempting to fraudulently overturn the 2020 presidential election and illegally retaining classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate. Charges were deferred because he won the election ‘A president can be acting outside his duties and engaging in criminal conspiracies or even violent crimes, and is immune from prosecution while he’s in office,’ Devine says. ‘President Trump has absolute, unqualified immunity while he’s sitting as president. The most that could happen is, after the next election, a new government could decide to press charges.’ https://www.ibanet.org/trump-case-dismissed He didn’t attempt to overthrow an election, that’s crazy person talk. Regardless, Joe Biden did the same thing with classified documents and got a slap on the wrist. 1 Quote
Fluffypants Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 Are Dictators bad or good, Im kind of confused liberals keep calling Trump a dictator and hes bad and they even had No Kings day protest and now they are mad because an objectively bad dictator was toppled. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Barquentine said: Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper charges in a memoir out May 10 that former President Trump said when demonstrators were filling the streets around the White House following the death of George Floyd: "Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?" This is a hearsay, but what is a fact is that Iran's Khamenei has ordered in public to shoot peaceful demonstrators in the head and millions witnessed this order. Mass murderers must be removed by all means at any cost. Quote
User Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper charges in a memoir out May 10 that former President Trump said when demonstrators were filling the streets around the White House following the death of George Floyd: "Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?" So... you are trying to say Trump musing about shooting protestors in the leg is the same thing as Iran literally and systematically executing and murdering it own citizenry on mass if they dare speak out? 4 hours ago, Barquentine said: Some differences: Yeah, there are a ton of differences! One is in Libya, the other in Venezuela, one speaks Spanish, the other Arabic. We could talk about their favorite cuisines next too! So many differences! Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 4 Author Report Posted January 4 19 hours ago, Radiorum said: What precedent does this set for international law, global stability, and civilian safety? This does not set a precedent as there have been other leaders that have been "kidnapped" before. This is more SOP than a precedent. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
herbie Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 14 hours ago, CdnFox said: Sorry, you guys lowered the bar That was the most simpleminded rebuttal to a post yet, but to be expected from someone who quickly rushes a reply as fast as his brain can twist a fact. YOU GUYS? What guys? The one capable of acknowledging what's in front of their faces? This one man has lowered the bar of the USA'a foreign and trade policy so far it's in a mine shaft. That attempts to justify and approve kidnap, murder, lack of respect for sovereignty, for democratic or legal precedent . for theft of resources with irrelevant comparisons to what someone else did about something else in some other situation? Whatabout whatabout whatabout seems to be the only thing you are capable of other than claiming the other person is a liar. By your own argument, you'd have to defend if the Hague put out a warrant and Trump landed in Europe they'd be justified in seizing Air Force One, killing the Secret Service guards in order to frog marching him off to a secret prison and 'taking over' all his assets. 1 Quote
Gaétan Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 I don’t see why Maduro would have sent drugs to the United States. It is probably the cia that did this to pay the people who are going to vote for the opposition party. What must be done is to put Trump on trial for the recent murders of fishermen and the recent attack. Moreover, he is a vicious man who abuses children, The American justice system is currently in the process of destroying this evidence. The embargo is meant to provoke famine among the population. The American administration is a corrupt criminal regime. They admitted that their goal was the theft of oil. Quote
herbie Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 What most people don't realize, including Venezuelans themselves, is that the sanctions imposed caused as much of their suffering as Maduro did by depriving their country of revenue. Which in theory would cause them to rise up and overthrow him themselves, which is the proper democratic way. And could've been done by funding the democratic opposition even openly. The fact Donnie Diaperboy barely mentioned democracy, belittled the leader of their opposition and instantly bragged how they'd run the country, take it's resources and decide when they can vote shows clearly his intent. That the people should not make the rules for businesses anywhere, not even in the USA itself, is the cleat message. IOW: Only the Ferenbi can write the Rules of Acquisition and everyone everywhere must obey. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 3 hours ago, herbie said: That was the most simpleminded rebuttal to a post yet, Of course it is, consider the audience I'm writing for Anything more complicated than that and you start bleeding from the ears and have a hissy fit 3 hours ago, herbie said: What guys? The one capable of acknowledging what's in front of their faces? No, that would be the other guys. You guys are the ones who lie to yourselves almost as hard as you lie to others and ignore simple facts and truths. 3 hours ago, herbie said: That attempts to justify and approve kidnap, murder, lack of respect for sovereignty, for democratic or legal precedent . Are you talking about when Obama killed Bin Laden? I mean what you're saying is true but it was generally accepted at the time that it was a good idea. What's happening currently is the arrest of a criminal who has an actual warrant. They didn't kill him or anything and now he'll have a chance to face trial. More than we can say for what Obama did 1 hour ago, herbie said: The fact Donnie Diaperboy barely mentioned democracy, belittled the leader of their opposition and instantly bragged how they'd run the country, take it's resources and decide when they can vote shows clearly his intent. It MIGHT if Every word that you just said wasn't a lie He actually did mention democracy quite a bit. He didn't belittle anyone and said that as soon as it was practical they would turn over control to the people's representative. And that's absolutely 100% standard each circumstances like this. I'm taking responsibility and running the country until that time is again, 100% what you're expected to do in a case like this. So the intent that we can see is that he intended to arrest one of the highest members of the drug cartel letter basically funding themselves by selling literally tons and tons of illegal drugs inside America, and then take care of the country until democracy could be restored Sounds terrible 🙄🙄🙄 You on the other hand appear to be siding with the guy who's known to be a mass murderer, extortionist, kidnapper, drug cartel leader, and who repressed his own people and ran fake elections that most countries don't recognize is legit. That's the side you're on Did you want to think about that some more for a minute? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
TreeBeard Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 Trump recently pardoned a guy who was found guilty for the same thing Maduro is going to be charged with. 🤪 Last month, Trump freed former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez, who had been convicted in the U.S. of helping smuggle more than 400 tons of cocaine into the U.S. https://www.npr.org/2026/01/03/nx-s1-5665695/maduro-trump-drug-dealer-pardons 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 5 Author Report Posted January 5 3 hours ago, Gaétan said: I don’t see why Maduro would have sent drugs to the United States. It is probably the cia that did this to pay the people who are going to vote for the opposition party. LMAO...please stop. You can't possibly believe that. 1 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Gaétan Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 9 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: LMAO...please stop. You can't possibly believe that. The last two regimes in the United States are regimes of criminals who have killed thousands of people. It is a continuation of their criminal activities carried out with impunity. The recent theft and hijacking of oil tankers, as well as drug trafficking, are meant to finance these kinds of crimes such as electoral fraud, disinformation, and even your salary Quote
Barquentine Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 17 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Mass murderers must be removed by all means at any cost. Including Netenyahoo! Quote
Barquentine Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 19 hours ago, Shady said: He didn’t attempt to overthrow an election, that’s crazy person talk. I agree, what you're saying is crazy person talk. You sound like a mother denying her husband's sexual abuse of their daughter. Quote
Shady Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: I agree, what you're saying is crazy person talk. You sound like a mother denying her husband's sexual abuse of their daughter. How did he “attempt to overthrow” an election? 😂 1 1 Quote
User Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: Including Netenyahoo! Which says a lot about you guys as you cry about Maduro and would be cheering on the same if it had been the leader of Israel.... Quote
Shady Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 18 hours ago, herbie said: What most people don't realize, including Venezuelans themselves, is that the sanctions imposed caused as much of their suffering as Maduro did by depriving their country of revenue. Which in theory would cause them to rise up and overthrow him themselves, which is the proper democratic way. And could've been done by funding the democratic opposition even openly. The fact Donnie Diaperboy barely mentioned democracy, belittled the leader of their opposition and instantly bragged how they'd run the country, take it's resources and decide when they can vote shows clearly his intent. That the people should not make the rules for businesses anywhere, not even in the USA itself, is the cleat message. IOW: Only the Ferenbi can write the Rules of Acquisition and everyone everywhere must obey. So what? Why do you think countries like Russia and China were interested in Venezuela? For their fine South American cuisine? 😂 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 4 hours ago, Barquentine said: Including Netenyahoo! If he ever becomes one sure. Defending Your Homeland against an aggressor who attacked without warning and slotted your civilians is not mass murder no matter how much the left wishes it wasn't true. You want to blame someone for the death of civilians and children in Gaza then you need look no further than Hamas. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
gatomontes99 Posted January 5 Author Report Posted January 5 1 hour ago, User said: Which says a lot about you guys as you cry about Maduro and would be cheering on the same if it had been the leader of Israel.... They support Maduro, who ignored an election, ran drugs, stole resources and brutally enforced his will. They supported Hamas that raped women, killed mean, women and children and used their own children as human shields and suicide bombers while suppressing women and killing people that are gay. They support China who released COVID on the world, killed people for not getting COVID shots or just for getting COVID, enslaved the Uyghurs, and emit more toxic fumes than the rest of the world combined. Yet they claim to be about democracy, women's rights, freedom of religion, and anti-slavery. It is weird how they do all the stuff they claim to be against. 2 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
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