Potential for Poilievre to lose even more - another floor crosser crosses the floor

[Zeitgeist]

16 hours ago, Goddess said:

I'm completely baffled at the 🔥 hair-on-fire 🔥reaction to being taken over by the US, contrasted with the utter delight at getting snuggly with and being taken over by the Chinese.

The latter is the far greater threat.

The trouble that Canada seems to be having in this sovereignty assertion is that it’s unclear right now what the federal government of Canada thinks this country is all about.  On many occasions under Trudeau it felt like his government was working against the interests of Canadians.  The federal government has to clearly define its goals and vision for the country and demonstrate a clear public mandate to pursue it.  Only a vision that asserts the cultural identify of the country’s founding peoples and that seeks to grow the wellbeing and economic success of the citizenry centred around these cultural values can be authentically called sovereign.  Any government actions that undermine those cultures and groups are working against the purpose of the nation-state Canada.

If Trump really values the national identities of countries, for example, as his foreign policy claims to do in Europe, he should support any Canadian politicians who assert Canada’s sovereignty and cultural heritage.  The problem is that Trump primarily asserts U.S. sovereignty and economic strength.  Through that lens Canada is a huge potential asset-puppet.  Canadians need to understand this, that either we strongly assert our sovereignty and bolster our economic interests or we’re better off being part of the U.S., where we’ll at least enjoy the rights and economic benefits of being Americans.  Under a less self-interested President, there might be a middle ground, which is what we used to have, but under Trump and future Trump-like figures, we have to actively attend to our sovereignty.  That’s a tall order that can only be met by a Canadian PM who is committed to serving Canadian interests, not the UN’s, Davis’s, Washington’s, or Westminster’s.

Even then, such a PM may encourage a form of union with the U.S., especially if there are no important differences between the countries that couldn’t be addressed through new processes.  I don’t think Canadians will ever accept giving up our sovereignty as a nation state, and if Trump is really a supporter of Western cultures and values, including democracy itself, he and future presidents should respect that.

Edited December 15, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[SpankyMcFarland]

I hope we can agree that if one more MP crosses the floor to the Liberals then Poilievre has a serious problem.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I hope we can agree that if one more MP crosses the floor to the Liberals then Poilievre has a serious problem.

The problem is that Canadians fear conservatism, or at least that’s the prevailing media and government message. Any Conservative leader is going to be painted as scary. 

Edited December 15, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[TreeBeard]

28 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I hope we can agree that if one more MP crosses the floor to the Liberals then Poilievre has a serious problem.

Here on this forum you think the Con supporters will recognize a problem???  Hahahaha

The PP supporters on this forum blame China and the Liberals for the last floor crossing.  Apparently, this MP was a Chinese communist party plant that the Libs put there, or something bat-crap crazy like that.   

28 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The problem is that Canadians fear conservatism

No, we just don’t like it.  Conservatism these days is made up of a bunch of nonsense like culture war issues.  If it focussed on actual fiscal policy, there wouldn’t be an issue. 

[Goddess]

10 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

If it focussed on actual fiscal policy, there wouldn’t be an issue. 

WTF?

In the last election, that's ALL the Conservatives were focused on - gov't overspending, cost of living, gov't waste, unleashing our industries., tackling housing and jobs.

It was the Libs that their only focus was.....orangemanbad.

[TreeBeard]

24 minutes ago, Goddess said:

orangemanbad

Trump’s tariffs and rhetoric about the 51st state isn’t an actual issue for you?  I think you’re in the minority of Canadians on that. 
 

Poilievre only talked about economic policy….   which is why he used the term “woke ideology” 50 times per speech.  😝 

He lost on being too much like Trump and not talking about issues that Canadians actually care about. 

[Goddess]

25 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Trump’s tariffs and rhetoric about the 51st state isn’t an actual issue for you?  I think you’re in the minority of Canadians on that. 

No.  We still had CUSMA in which 85% of our exports to the US are tariff-free. I felt we could have dealt with Trump on the remaining 15%.  I was not scared shitless of the US invading us.  I don't believe it would have passed Congress or the Senate and I don't believe the US military would have obeyed such an order.

In other words, I thought about it RATIONALLY.

25 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Poilievre only talked about economic policy….   which is why he used the term “woke ideology” 50 times per speech.  😝 

I was at one of his rallies and I watched most of the other ones.  He did not talk about "woke ideology".  He talked about:

• Reducing immigration until our housing, healthcare, educational system, jobs market caught up.
• He talked about a very successful drug rehab program he had visited and how to make that same program happen across Canada to deal with the fentanyl crisis.
• He talked about increasing screening at our ports and borders to deal with the drug cartels.
• He talked about cutting foreign aid until our own people were looked after - no more unaccountable funding for gender-sensitive beans in the Congo.
• He talked about cutting gov't waste and consultant use.
• He talked about the Accountability Act the Conservatives created, which would close up the ethics loopholes that have been exploited by the Liberals for the last 10 years.
• He talked about a military base in the Arctic, which would satisfy our NATO obligations and Trump.
• He talked about unleashing our resources and getting them to market QUICKLY.

You know - REALLY radical ideas. 🙄

25 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

He lost on being too much like Trump and not talking about issues that Canadians actually care about.

He lost because 1% more Canadians were manipulated into thinking Trump was our main problem and none of the above issues were actually problems.

The Canadians who were not manipulated to elect the exact same gov't who caused all the above problems may be the minority, but it's a very slim minority.  I'm not sure it's a badge of honor that you are in the slim majority of Canadians who were bamboozled by orangemanbad.

Edited December 15, 2025 by Goddess

[TreeBeard]

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I'm not sure it's a badge of honor that you are in the slim majority of Canadians who were bamboozled by orangemanbad.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2025 by TreeBeard

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

 

 

Trump is not our Prime Minister.  

According to the lastest data - orangemanbad isn't even on Canadians' radar anymore.

Oh, look!

It's all the things the Conservatives said were the important issues. 

Maybe at least some of you ripe-for-the-picking id10ts are catching on.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I hope we can agree that if one more MP crosses the floor to the Liberals then Poilievre has a serious problem.

Sure. And the nature of that problem will change depending on when that happens assuming it does

It will probably depend on how much of a threat carney thinks Poilievre is.

If he thinks Poilievre is a serious threat and that there's nobody else who would be as much of a threat than he will instruct the floor cross her to cross before the leadership review. That will make things very difficult for Poilievre during the review. He will probably win but it will be a much tighter raceit will hurt them in a number of ways.

If he thinks that Poilievre is no threat or that there might be someone who's an even bigger threat in the background should Poilievre step down, then he will instruct the floor cross her to cross the day after the leadership review. Poilievre will have already secured his position But this will totally undermine his position within the party and be a drag on fundraising, as well as killing any of the positive press he might get coming out of that leadership.

I suspect he will do the latter, You just never know who might appear if Poilievre steps down and how well they'll do, at least poilievre is a known quantity. And you're not going to an election right away because you got your majority so why would you risk giving the CPC the opportunity to find an even more popular candidate? better to weaken pp and keep the infighting going as long as possible if you can while you sit on your majority. 

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The problem is that Canadians fear conservatism, or at least that’s the prevailing media and government message. Any Conservative leader is going to be painted as scary. 

This comment needs to be acknowledged because it's so true.

Look how many here really believe the Conservatives ran on anti-vaxx rhetoric and raging against "woke ideology" in the last election.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If he thinks Poilievre is a serious threat and that there's nobody else who would be as much of a threat than he will instruct the floor cross her to cross before the leadership review.

They're probably all under the influence of Rosie's antenna.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I suspect he will do the latter, You just never know who might appear if Poilievre steps down and how well they'll do, at least poilievre is a known quantity. And you're not going to an election right away because you got your majority so why would you risk giving the CPC the opportunity to find an even more popular candidate? better to weaken pp and keep the infighting going as long as possible if you can while you sit on your majority. 

Boy, the old big tent must be a fearful suspicious place these days...everyone backed into a corner so Carney can't sneak up from behind...everyone with their knives out in anticipation of a gun fight.

Awww, its just so unfair. Poor PP.

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Trump is not our Prime Minister.  

According to the lastest data - orangemanbad isn't even on Canadians' radar anymore.

Oh, look!

It's all the things the Conservatives said were the important issues. 

Maybe at least some of you ripe-for-the-picking id10ts are catching on.

The issues are an open goal waiting for the Tories to score. Who isn’t being affected by inflation in this country? It could get a lot worse if inflation catches fire in the US and Lord knows what will happen to jobs in Ontario next year. What Poilievre had to do in that interview was reset the debate about his leadership with a clear expression of humility and an acknowledgment that he was listening to the voters who gave him a crystal clear message across the country and even in his former riding. But he failed to do that and even blamed Carney! Which is true in a way. Politicians in trouble need to go in for self-effacement. Voters like that a lot. Right now PP’s leadership should not be on anybody’s radar. He needs to get to that place ASAP.

Don’t fool yourself about Trump. He still lurks in our minds and he’s not dead yet. We know how much he hates this country. His continued truculence and irrationality are Carney’s best defence if jobs begin to disappear and a trade deal remains unsigned.
 

 

Edited December 16, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Goddess]

12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Don’t fool yourself about Trump. He still lurks in our minds and he’s not dead yet.

Oh, believe me.  If there's anybody here who knows how apathetic, gullible and easily manipulated Canadians are, it's me.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Oh, believe me.  If there's anybody here who knows how apathetic, gullible and easily manipulated Canadians are, it's me.

Takes one to know one I guess.

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Takes one to know one I guess.

 

What are you, in Grade 2?🙄

Some things are just obvious.

I know you are 100% FOR killing babies and children, if you think it will save your own skin.  And I know I'm 100% AGAINST that.

Normal people would be.

Aberrations in normal human behaviour stand out.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

23 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Oh, believe me.  If there's anybody here who knows how apathetic, gullible and easily manipulated Canadians are, it's me.

Trump is a real threat to our country. He couldn’t have made his hostility to us any clearer. That much should be obvious to any Canadian. 

Edited December 16, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Trump is a real threat to our country. He couldn’t have made his hostility to us any clearer. That much should be obvious to any Canadian. 

If it weren't for the over 60's, we would have a conservative government right now.

It would have been cheaper for Canada if we had just bought you all wubby blankies.

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I know you are 100% FOR killing babies and children, if you think it will save your own skin.

No, it's because they taste better after they're cooked.

[taxme]

On 12/13/2025 at 5:29 AM, ExFlyer said:

Awww upset at the down arrows....  try not earning them LOL

Poor sad sad little man.

I'm your comrade again I see LOL

"What does calling someone a comrade mean? Etymology. The term comrade generally means 'mate', 'colleague', or 'ally', and derives from the Spanish and Portuguese term camarada,"

So, thanks

 

Etymology. The term comrade generally means 'mate', 'colleague', or 'ally', and derives from the Spanish and Portuguese term camarada, lit. 'chamber mate', from Latin camera, lit. 'chamber' or 'room'."
 

I could come on here and say that i have finally found a cure for cancer and i would still get a down arrow from a mindless woke ass lieberal comrade like you. Just saying, comrade. 😂

On the contrary, anyone that gives another member here approx. 50 down arrows a month must be having some real mental issue problems. It certainly looks to me like you do have an IQ of around room temperature for sure. 😱

You wish you were my comrade, troll.🤮 No phkn thanks, comrade. LOL.

It also means that you could be a communist Stalinist comrade because that is what one communist Stalinist commie would call another communist, a comrade. 😛

Thanks for what, comrade? Calling you out for your being a Stalinist commie comrade, comrade? Tee-hee.😁

Now run along and go play with your brain dead, just like you, cabbage patch dolls. 🤡

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

They're probably all under the influence of Rosie's antenna.

LOL ahh we're at the point where you know i'm right but you can't refute it so you try to turn it into a bad joke and laugh it off  

Sorry the truth is so inconvenient for you kiddo, 

 

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Boy, the old big tent must be a fearful suspicious place these days...everyone backed into a corner so Carney can't sneak up from behind...everyone with their knives out in anticipation of a gun fight.

I guess. Enjoy it while you can, the worm always turns. And historically the more the pendulum has swung one way the harder it swings the other way when the time comes. Ask America about that

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, taxme said:

I could come on here and say that i have finally found a cure for cancer and i would still get a down arrow from a mindless woke ass lieberal comrade like you. Just saying, comrade. 😂

On the contrary, anyone that gives another member here approx. 50 down arrows a month must be having some real mental issue problems. It certainly looks to me like you do have an IQ of around room temperature for sure. 😱

You wish you were my comrade, troll.🤮 No phkn thanks, comrade. LOL.

It also means that you could be a communist Stalinist comrade because that is what one communist Stalinist commie would call another communist, a comrade. 😛

Thanks for what, comrade? Calling you out for your being a Stalinist commie comrade, comrade? Tee-hee.😁

Now run along and go play with your brain dead, just like you, cabbage patch dolls. 🤡

 

 

Yup...you are right...as always ...NOT.  LOL LOL LOL

Awww till upset at the down arrows....  try not earning them LOL 

Seems the down arrows really pi$$ you off ...too bad so sad... so gimme some more, I know you try real hard ...they are a badge of honour for me when I get them from LOSER fools like you HA HA HA

Poor poor sad sad little man.

I'm your comrade again I see LOL

Edited December 16, 2025 by ExFlyer

[ironstone]

On 12/15/2025 at 4:10 AM, TreeBeard said:

Why haven’t you mentioned all these Chinese schemes with respect to this guy?  I bet if MP Ho jumped to the Libs, he would suddenly turn into a Chinese commie spy!  

 

Chinese interference in Canada has been going on for a long time and it seems pretty clear that none of the major political parties have done much, if anything, to stop it.

Both Juneau-Katsuya and Stanton made the point that no one government is to blame more than any other for failing to deal with interference from China. He said all federal governments over the past three decades have been warned about China's attempts to influence elections and have failed to properly respond to the threat.

"CSIS has knows about [China's] foreign interference in Canada for at least the last 30 years. Every federal government from Mr. Mulroney to Mr. Trudeau today have been compromised by agents of the communist China," Juneau-Katsuya said. 

"Every government [was] informed at one point or another. Every government chose to ignore CSIS's warning."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/former-csis-officials-committee-china-1.6797803

[ExFlyer]

 

21 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The problem is that Canadians fear conservatism, or at least that’s the prevailing media and government message. Any Conservative leader is going to be painted as scary. 

You are very wrong.

Your graph below shows Canadians do not fear conservatism...they like it...the problem is with leadership. They do not like Polievere.

15 hours ago, Goddess said:

If it weren't for the over 60's, we would have a conservative government right now.

It would have been cheaper for Canada if we had just bought you all wubby blankies.

Ha, blaming over 60's is a poor conservatives blaming some other than themselves.

https://angusreid.org/federal-politics-poilievre-favourability-hits-lowest-point-of-his-leadership-carney-approval/

 

Edited December 16, 2025 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Yup...you are right...as always .

Bout time you learned  

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

 

You are very wrong.

Your graph below shows Canadians do not fear conservatism...they like it...the problem is with leadership. They do not like Polievere.

 

They don't have to like him. People will often vote for people they don't like but they believe can do the job. That  certainly was the case with harper

And your own grass show that Carney's likeability is falling slowly but steadily every month. If that's all he's got going for him he's got a problem