More Vax-Fascism: College of Physicians and Surgeons

[Venandi]

8 hours ago, User said:

The problem is that folks did in fact give enough ammunition to the anti-vaxers to sow this kind of conspiratorial doubt. Folks in the scientific community were so hell bent on pushing the COVID vaccine and Pandemic fear-mongering, as well as left-wing leaders and politicians. 

Yes indeed, they sure did.

The way it struck me was that the messaging was developed and tweaked prior to (and during) the mainstream vaccine release. They stuck with that initial messaging even after it became obvious that some of the assertions were incorrect. The messaging itself was clearly part of an information management effort and it had all the hallmarks of manipulated, pressure tested I/O from the get go. 

Down Herb... nothing wrong with that necessarily, it's how the world works. But (BUT), a bit of subtly is required here and it was totally absent. The cautionary note about not snowing the Snow Queen was ignored in spades.

That perception was made worse by the ridicule and outrageous nastiness that accompanied it, if not for that I would likely have gotten the shot out of hand, instead it set off a red flashing MASTER WARNING light.

The kicker for me was that basic questions about things like S protein toxicity and distribution in the presence of lipid nanoparticles not only weren't answered, they were ridiculed out of hand and some of those asking were de-platformed (or worse) in a very public way... clearly designed to influence others.

It's a technique... it wasn't an accident .

People became wary of that, it just didn't ring true. Their questions went unanswered and they were labeled anti-vaxers.

POOF... then came Ivermectin.

I think anyone who spent time in Africa was taken a back by that blow up... the frenzy around it sealed the deal, at least for me. I didn't trust a bloody word they said after that. 

I've very likely had more vaccines than most non military people on this board...  and probably more than they have too, including a couple that were (somehow) expunged from my records.

The bottom line here is that my hesitancy was well earned, you had to work damn hard to get it too. 

 

Edited November 25, 2025 by Venandi

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

 

If Ivermectin is a miracle cure why aren’t they just promoting that?  It’s also made by “big pharma” drug companies doncha know.

 

Hadn't thought of that one before...

[Venandi]

Ivermectin was never billed as a miracle cure and suggesting otherwise is just false. The "miracle cure" label was a construct of those trying to discredit it. Fact is, it's safe, cheap, widely available and was considered to be of some value during the viral loading phase of the disease. Banning it was a bit like banning Aspirin and that's where those WTF questions came from. 

You can easily research how it works and its inherent limitations for yourself. Was it actually effective? I don't know... round about then I stopped following the madness as closely as I did before that happened. 

As an aside, I actually went looking for some of the nasty / hateful comments directed to vaccine hesitant people, especially during the mandate and passport era. I was hoping for a video collage but alas...

Pretty hard to find them now... maybe it's just my limited search skills eh? The ones that are still front and centre aged pretty badly though and I think there might be a lesson in that. In the fullness of time I think they will be resurrected though and our grandchildren will be writing essays about it for history class.

It's hard to find people who support the idea of residential schools, eugenics or Japanese internment anymore.,, but there was a time. Maybe this era will end up in the same file folder with "Previous Mistakes" on the header.

 

Edited November 25, 2025 by Venandi

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

Ivermectin was never billed as a miracle cure and suggesting otherwise is just false. The "miracle cure" label was a construct of those trying to discredit it. Fact is, it's safe, cheap, widely available and was considered to be of some value during the viral loading phase of the disease. Banning it was a bit like banning Aspirin and that's where those WTF questions came from. 

You can easily research how it works and its inherent limitations for yourself. Was it actually effective? I don't know... round about then I stopped following the madness as closely as I did before that happened. 

As an aside, I actually went looking for some of the nasty / hateful comments directed to vaccine hesitant people, especially during the mandate and passport era. I was hoping for a video collage but alas...

Pretty hard to find them now... maybe it's just my limited search skills eh? The ones that are still front and centre aged pretty badly though and I think there might be a lesson in that. In the fullness of time I think they will be resurrected though and our grandchildren will be writing essays about it for history class.

It's hard to find people who support the idea of residential schools, eugenics or Japanese internment anymore.,, but there was a time. Maybe this era will end up in the same file folder with "Previous Mistakes" on the header.

 

.............. familiarity breeds contempt regarding Vax. Visit Africa sometime and witness the ravages of pandemic ..... historically Europeans introduced disease to North American continent - although intentioned (ulike the U.S.) it was extremely effective in decimating the unwanted indigenous. 

Bobby Kennedy believes in 'natural herd immunity'. Herd immunity subscribes to the theory that if a high enough of a percentage of a population is infected with an infectious disease (and survive) eventually the entire population becomes immune to that infection. In theory he might be correct - but at what cost - what expense? 

TB ravaged the northern communities of Canada - went thru communities like a wild fire - largely due to the fact that it is air-borne and the population lived in close contact. Quite likely a limited vaccine, detection and treatment saved hundreds of thousands. 

Familiarity breeds contempt - hard to imagine people are condemning the Polio vax - my father had polio. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Vaccines are one of the great achievements of medicine. Any critic who wants to be taken seriously should start by conceding that. 

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Vaccines are one of the great achievements of medicine. Any critic who wants to be taken seriously should start by conceding that. 

You are up close with the dichotomy of democracy that Aristotle and Plato even struggled with 2500 years ago:

A ship that is guided by a mob rather than a captain will eventually run ashore and yet, if you give a captain sole ownership of the rudder you will fail even more frequently.

 

The moib now has become the Khmer Rouge - anyone who has a whiff of intellectualism or academia about them is a traitor to these people.  This means we'll be guided by Captain Crunches instead of Horatio Helsons.    Fake horatios abound and even very intelligent folks are swayed by them.

[User]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

The moib now has become the Khmer Rouge - anyone who has a whiff of intellectualism or academia about them is a traitor to these people.  This means we'll be guided by Captain Crunches instead of Horatio Helsons.    Fake horatios abound and even very intelligent folks are swayed by them.

This is coming from the same crowd that will do this to people who refuse to go along with the gender identity madness. 

[Legato]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You are up close with the dichotomy of democracy that Aristotle and Plato even struggled with 2500 years ago:

A ship that is guided by a mob rather than a captain will eventually run ashore and yet, if you give a captain sole ownership of the rudder you will fail even more frequently.

 

The moib now has become the Khmer Rouge - anyone who has a whiff of intellectualism or academia about them is a traitor to these people.  This means we'll be guided by Captain Crunches instead of Horatio Helsons.    Fake horatios abound and even very intelligent folks are swayed by them.

Well Captain Mike, people said don't set out yet, there's a storm brewing, and yet here you are floundering in the heavy sea's of misinformation and purposeful misrepresentation. 

To late to batten the hatches the holds already flooded.

I have a paddle foe sale.

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Wow just wow. That was a lot of  batshit verbal diarrhea that still didn’t answer the question. I repeat:

3 simple yes or no questions: 

1. Did Fauci fund research on the bat coronavirus, in the Wuhan lab, that made it more transmissible among human cells?
2. Did the covid virus mostly likely come from the Wuhan lab?
3. Did Fauci know that he probably had a hand in creating the covid virus when he blamed a pangolin?

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If Ivermectin is a miracle cure why aren’t they just promoting that?  It’s also made by “big pharma” drug companies doncha know.

That right there just proves how stupid you are. 

Do you honestly not know the difference between:

• the profit margins on an off-patent drug vs 
• the profit margins on a newly patented wonder-drug that was created to save the world from a deadly pandemic?

Dammit, Beave, it's like the profit margin for a young Pamela Anderson as a hooker vs a fat old homeless woman with rotten teeth.

FYI it's not just a few big pharma companies that can make ivermectin. Any pharma company on the planet can belch out piles of it without paying a single cent in royalties to anyone. The profit margin on a dose of ivermectin would be like the profit margin on a plastic straw.

The profit margin on a dose of patent-protected "save the world juice" is off the charts.

"Take this or die!!!!! Don't allow your children into your home if they don't take this stuff, or their infection might kill you!!!" (people literally did that - prevent their adult children from visiting if they weren't jabbed)

 

16 hours ago, taxme said:

I thought that we had a Charter of Rights where it is written in the Charter that freedom of expression was protected by the COR? It did not say well perhaps, might be, maybe, could be, we will think about it or anything like that. It just says that Canadians have the right to their freedom of expression and there was nothing more added to it, and no doctor or whoever should be denied their right to freedom of expression.

Let transparency and truth prevail no matter what and dam the bloody consequences. Why are we always being allowed to be lied too. Why does our Canadian lieberal media and our leftwing lieberal politicians have so much contempt for the truth and we the people? Is this what really runs the world is lies? 

The establishment system especially big pharma seems to be always against anyone who tries and expose the truth about anything especially against big pharma and big medicine. They do not want any exposure by someone calling out their lies and bull crap. Big pharma makes hundreds of billions of dollars every year off of forcing we the people to have to take their vaccine poisons whether they are good for us or not. 

Health Canada is now a leftwing lieberal outfit that is truly not on we the people's side. Health Canada has already been bought and sold to big pharma and they cannot be believed with anything that they say or do. 

Everything in Canada is pretty much lieberally corrupt. The people needs to stop listening to those liars who pretty much now have authority over our health and freedoms. To listen to those people will no doubt be bad for your own health. Just my opinion of course. 😇

You're free to say things that don't get in the way of the LPOC or Big Pharma profits.

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

This is an anti-vax activist "journal" run by anti-vaxxers, not a real medical journal used in the medical field.

Buddy, there is no "anti-vax". 

We vaccinated all of our children. 

That doesn't mean that I should never question whether or not the vaccines are safe enough. 

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, User said:

The problem is that folks did in fact give enough ammunition to the anti-vaxers to sow this kind of conspiratorial doubt. Folks in the scientific community were so hell bent on pushing the COVID vaccine and Pandemic fear-mongering, as well as left-wing leaders and politicians. 

We were lied to. They did, in fact, conspire to keep information from us. 

Politicians and the scientific community, in their haste to push the noble lie, or to hypocritically push pandemic fear-mongering power grabs, have done more to damage their reputation all on their own and to fuel all the other anti-vax madness. 

The term anti-vax is kind of like a cross that big pharma uses to ward off oversight.

It's a false dichotomy, where you're supposed to choose between "saving millions of children from dying of diseases that were preventable" or "being a mouth-breathing dolt who puts their own children at risk because they don't believe in measles, mumps, polio, chicken pox, etc".

Even if it's true that vaccinations against the traditional diseases cause autism, autism is still better than death, and the cumulative effect of 95% vax coverage is better than a bunch of cases of autism. 

But we should still try to find out if the vaccines cause autism, and if so, try to prevent the autism. Yeah, a third option. Crazy, right?

Edited November 25, 2025 by WestCanMan

[BeaverFever]

34 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

3 simple yes or no questions: 

1. Did Fauci fund research on the bat coronavirus, in the Wuhan lab, that made it more transmissible among human cells?
2. Did the covid virus mostly likely come from the Wuhan lab?
3. Did Fauci know that he probably had a hand in creating the covid virus when he blamed a pangolin?

That right there just proves how stupid you are. 

Do you honestly not know the difference between:

• the profit margins on an off-patent drug vs 
• the profit margins on a newly patented wonder-drug that was created to save the world from a deadly pandemic?

Dammit, Beave, it's like the profit margin for a young Pamela Anderson as a hooker vs a fat old homeless woman with rotten teeth.

FYI it's not just a few big pharma companies that can make ivermectin. Any pharma company on the planet can belch out piles of it without paying a single cent in royalties to anyone. The profit margin on a dose of ivermectin would be like the profit margin on a plastic straw.

The profit margin on a dose of patent-protected "save the world juice" is off the charts.

"Take this or die!!!!! Don't allow your children into your home if they don't take this stuff, or their infection might kill you!!!" (people literally did that - prevent their adult children from visiting if they weren't jabbed)

 

You're free to say things that don't get in the way of the LPOC or Big Pharma profits.

You really are a nujob if you think there’s a vast worldwide conspiracy of federal and local governments healthcare workers, academia, non-profits, charities, public interests groups - many of whom ferociously fight big pharma on other issues daily like the opioid crisis - whose one and sole obsession is the profit margin of one drug  “Like yeah In suing big pharma for billions over the opioid crisis, price fixing, other drugs with unintended side effects and a whole bunch of other things but Im injecting myself, my family and everyone else with a deadly drug because for no particular reason I think it would be neat if that ONE particular drug had good profit margins”. 

The sheer costs of providing people free covid shots let alone the healthcare costs associated with caring for people who allegedly were harmed by it would far outstrip any direct profit anyone had from investing in that particular drug company. 
 

This what I’m talking about your total inability to think critically. Your conspiracy requires someone to believe that not only do drug companies want to make profits but the vast majority of society who believe in vaccines are singularly obsessed with it also to the point they’ll overwhelm their own healthcare system and spend billions of tax dollars and make their own lives hell in the process which is ridiculous.
 

Your clueless ass is also blissfully unaware that many of the drug companies like AZ and J&J making covid vaccines sold them at ZERO profit during the pandemic and sales have crashed since.  Also vaccine makers in China, India etc that were produced at zero profit as a public health directive what’s their motive? Moderna and Pfizer wrote off billions in losses after 2022 once vaccine demand dropped off.
 

Yet we’re supposed to believe that tens of thousands of hospitals, governments, healthcare and scientific associations, medical journals etc around the world are all involved in a conspiracy of impossible scale and coordination…..all for the relatively insignificant purpose of improving the profit margins of one new drug when there are plenty of more profitable drugs like ozempic 

 

Its just stupid and shows who outnof touch with reality you are. 

[Venandi]

55 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You really are a nujob...

Let me get this for ya, I'm currently looking for a "nujob" anyway:

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Did Fauci fund research on the bat coronavirus, in the Wuhan lab, that made it more transmissible among human cells?

Yes, and making it more transmissible is exactly what gain of function is all about. It's done to better predict the effect of infectious diseases... if it gets away from you though just say it was squirrels or racoon dogs that spread it. Repeat that often enough and "people will totally believe it," according to climate Barbie anyway, and I think she was right.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Did the covid virus mostly likely come from the Wuhan lab?

Yes, in the ate fall of 2019 four lab workers were hospitalized with covid symptoms. Maybe they were eating squirrels but I'm a little suspicious. If I recall the dates right it was briefly included in open source reporting early in 2020 but it fizzled out pretty quickly... I looked for more information on it at the time but found little. The idea was ridiculed and people were de-platformed for even suggesting it. Apparently the squirrels ate all the evidence.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Did Fauci know that he probably had a hand in creating the covid virus when he blamed a pangolin?

Sure he did, if he didn't it would have been better to replace him with one of the squirrels. At least they were paying attention. 

Edited November 25, 2025 by Venandi

[WestCanMan]

34 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You really are a nujob if you think there’s a vast worldwide conspiracy of federal and local governments healthcare workers, academia, non-profits, charities, public interests groups - many of whom ferociously fight big pharma on other issues daily like the opioid crisis - whose one and sole obsession is the profit margin of one drug

So you can't answer any of those questions.... Thanks.

1. Before Fauci ever said "pangolin" he already knew what virus was infecting people - The Fauci & Wuhan virus 
2. Before Fauci and the CDC, etc ever said "HCQ DOESN'T WORK AND YOU'RE A DUMDUM IF YOU THINK IT DOES!!!!" they knew that was an important message to send out, regardless of its actual effectiveness, because they were railroading you towards the jabs. 
3. Before Fauci and the CDC, etc ever said "IVERMECTIN IS JUST HORSE-DEWORMER, IT DOESN'T WORK AND YOU'RE A DUMDUM IF YOU THINK IT DOES!!!! HAHAHAAAAA!!! HAHAHAAAA!!!! HAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!" they knew that was an important message to send out, regardless of its effectiveness, because they were railroading you towards the jabs. 
4. Like it or not, CBC and TNI lied to you about Russian collusion. CBC and TNI lied to you about the laptop. CBC and TNI lied to you about the Wuhan lab. CBC lied to you about the Canadian gov't for the last 20 f'n years, dude. They don't work for you, they work for the LPOC, and that little voice in your head that questions who the F the CBC actually works for is your tiny spark of intelligence.
5. Not everyone is "in on the conspiracy". Some of them are just easily manipulated CBC-cultists, like you. Look in the mirror, bro. Why are you trying so hard to avoid answering simple questions, like "Why did covid deaths soar in 2022 if 85% of our population had safe and effective vaccines? Why did so many multi-vaxed die in 2022? Why did the CBC ignore all the vaxed deaths, and the increase in overall deaths in 2022? Why did the covid story suddenly die when Canadians were dying faster than ever before?"
6. "Why/how did the CBC get every single thing wrong, and never question anything that whole time??????"
7. "How is Fauci funding the creation of the virus not a HUGE f'ing story?"

 

[eyeball]

16 hours ago, User said:

The problem is that folks did in fact give enough ammunition to the anti-vaxers to sow this kind of conspiratorial doubt.

Anti-vaxxers were just one part of a much larger group of people who were also stoned out of their minds on conspiracy gas and misinformation when COVID hit....9/11, chemtrails, Soros, WEF...the list goes on and on. These people were sitting ducks for COVID.

16 hours ago, User said:

We were lied to.

In one way shape or form sure, this has been going on forever, it's going on now as we speak as it will for the rest of your life. And there's not a damn thing anyone can do to stop it.  The very last thing people should do however is fill in all the blanks with even more uninformed nonsense - politicizing all this into partisan camps only makes things infinitely worse and naturally everyone says it's the others who are all gassed up and stupefied.

That said I think the side that fared worse during COVID is a clear indicator of who the biggest sitting ducks were. Some will tell you that higher death rate was just the price of freedom and it was well worth it.

That's some special kind of gas right there.

Edited November 25, 2025 by eyeball

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, Venandi said:

That perception was made worse by the ridicule and outrageous nastiness that accompanied it...

It needs to be said there was lots and lots of ridicule and outrageous nastiness that accompanied a solid decade and a half of the fairly intense gaslighting that preceded COVID.  I was getting emails accusing me of being an authoritarian within a week of the first shutdown because I voted for holding public area planning commission meetings via Zoom instead of in person.

We're talking about meetings over property line setbacks, building variances, zoning applications... pretty dry stuff compared to whatever malfeasance and corruption some people imagine is happening.  We're lucky if we can even get a quorum of commission members to attend these things most of the time never mind the public.

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Vaccines are one of the great achievements of medicine. Any critic who wants to be taken seriously should start by conceding that. 

True. They have saved millions of lives, and what's the point of medicine if not that?

And as hard as it is to say it, a hundred or even ten thousands cases of autism is a small price to pay to save 1M lives. 

BUT, that doesn't mean that it's ridiculous to say that "the vaccines are doing doing enough harm that we need to look into making them safer."

Why are you pretending to know that vaccines have never caused autism? How the hell can you possibly know that? What purpose does it serve to just call everyone who is concerned with the possibility of vaccine-induced autism "AN ANTI-VAXXER!!!! 😭"

There are thousands of people who claim to know for certain that they do induce autism, why should you ignore their plight? What purpose does that serve?

Just be an adult, and even say something like "Geez, maybe they do cause autism in a lot of cases. It's worth getting to the bottom of, this because kids' lives matter. Still, at the end of the day, the simple math says that saving 1M lives outweighs the suffering of x-number of autism cases per 1,000 shots."

Should we quantify that though? What is "x-number"? 1 in 100? 1 in 1,000? 1 in 10,000? 35/1,000? 

Why keep that a secret.

[Goddess]

On 11/21/2025 at 10:19 PM, WestCanMan said:

Once Health Canada speaks, does every doctor in Canada just have to shut their goddamn mouths and do and say exactly as they are told, or face ruinous fines, and jail time?

This has been one of the biggest problems for the vax injured in Canada, in getting any compensation for injuries.

Courts will not allow any evidence that shows the jabs were, and are, not "safe & effective" and Health Canada is not required to show their work on where the claim came from or what it is based on.  Judges accept their opinion as fact, with no evidence.

Deborah Birx, in the US, finally came out and said the claim was based on nothing but "hope" and Pfizer execs have testified that the jabs were never tested for their ability to stop transmission.

"Safe & effective" was a lie from the beginning, and they knew it. 

But how was Pfizer supposed to make $billions if they told the truth?

[Goddess]

There is a nurse whistleblower in California who was fired and is now suing the Women's Hospital she worked for because she would not stay silent about a 5000% increase in stillbirths, following the jabs.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

A ship that is guided by a mob rather than a captain will eventually run ashore and yet, if you give a captain sole ownership of the rudder you will fail even more frequently.

The marine industry is well aware of this, its why vessel masters abide by the Collision Regulations and things like Safe Manning requirements which are essential for complying with the COLREGs and specifically maintaining a proper lookout.

The Caine Mutiny comes to mind as well.

I've always thought these COLREGS and such would be fairly applicable to running a government safely.

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

The Caine Mutiny comes to mind as well.

 

I saw that as an early adolescent... lovely film and maybe the first grown-up film I 'got'.  Good for Bogie for playing a loser for once

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

You really are a nujob if you think there’s a vast worldwide conspiracy of federal and local governments healthcare workers, academia, non-profits, charities, public interests groups

Push on this aspect of things when underscoring the scope of the conspiracy and you'll soon be informed the whole things actually just being orchestrated by Anthony Fauci and a handful of psyop dudes.

Maybe they could make busses run on time while they're at it but I'm doubting it.

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I saw that as an early adolescent... lovely film and maybe the first grown-up film I 'got'.  Good for Bogie for playing a loser for once

Well, don't forget Capt Queeg was suffering from PTSD...once known as cowardice back in the day. There's definitely a good reason for keeping an eye on the Capt. Ever seen Crimson Tide?

Apparently only the President can authorize a nuclear launch... presumably someone has an eye on him.

 

Edited November 25, 2025 by eyeball

[taxme]

20 hours ago, User said:

The problem is that folks did in fact give enough ammunition to the anti-vaxers to sow this kind of conspiratorial doubt. Folks in the scientific community were so hell bent on pushing the COVID vaccine and Pandemic fear-mongering, as well as left-wing leaders and politicians. 

We were lied to. They did, in fact, conspire to keep information from us. 

Politicians and the scientific community, in their haste to push the noble lie, or to hypocritically push pandemic fear-mongering power grabs, have done more to damage their reputation all on their own and to fuel all the other anti-vax madness. 

 

Patriotic Canadians have a big problem here in Canada today. We have way too many traitorous and communist like politicians and a traitorous Canadian lying and fake and bought off lieberal media that cannot be trusted anymore. Everything that comes out of their lying mouths these days is all just a bunch of lieberal communist like lies and bull crap. 

Covid was one big gigantic WEF big pharma globalist fraud and hoax and we were all forced to live under that covid fraud and hoax regime and we were all forced to take the covid jab or else one would be demonized and treated by the government and scorned and denied many services. Canada is not a free and democratic country anymore. It is fast becoming a WEF globalist country where tyranny and slavery will soon prevail and become the norm. Just my opinion. 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

... presumably someone has an eye on him.

 

God, I hope not. The end needs to come soon, lessons need to be learned.... 😂