More Vax-Fascism: College of Physicians and Surgeons

[User]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're raging and m0r0nic now.

You don't know whether or not vaccines cause autism, User. You simply do not, and you are relying 100% on the people who profit from vaccines to give you that information. 

Such a dishonest argument. 

I don't know that your farts do not cause Autism either... 

The point is that there is no real evidence they do. Vaccines that is. Still not sure about your farts. 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

STFU, donkey.

This is a layered, nuanced topic and vax safety and efficacy of different "vaccines" is all over the map now.

Some things that we call "vaccines" are dangerous garbage. The covid 'vax' is completely unnecessary, dangerous, and useless. 

Here we go again... the old bait-and-switch. We were not talking about the COVID vaccine specifically, but your continued ignorance and dishonesty about vaccines causes Autism crap. There is no evidence COVID vaccines cause Autism. 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Do I think that traditional "vaccines" are causing autism? Yes I do. I've now crossed over into the category of "people who believe that traditional vaccines play a major role in the autism epidemic." I'm also in the group of people that say "It's ridiculous to hide behind a wall of confirmation bias and completely ignore this topic, because there is too much evidence available to us now."

So, as I pointed out, you play this dishonest game of saying you support the Measles vaccine, but now you are here saying it causes Autism. 

 

[WestCanMan]

41 minutes ago, User said:

Such a dishonest argument. 

It's not dishonest at all. You don't have a clue whether or not vaccines cause autism. You're just taking the word of Big Pharma's lackeys for it.

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The point is that there is no real evidence they do.  

There are a lot of people saying that their children suddenly regressed from being normal, healthy, happy children to having full-blown autism on the same day they got vaccinated, Jenny McCarty among them. 

Are you sure that they are all lying? How do you know that?

Remember that you're claiming to know, not just to be a skeptic. So how do you know that all of these people are lying? 

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Here we go again... the old bait-and-switch. We were not talking about the COVID vaccine specifically, but your continued ignorance and dishonesty about vaccines causes Autism crap. There is no evidence COVID vaccines cause Autism. 

1) There is no covid "vaccine". 2) I never said the covid jab causes autism. 

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So, as I pointed out, you play this dishonest game of saying you support the Measles vaccine, but now you are here saying it causes Autism.

It's not a game, dummy.

I do support the measles vaccine, even if it causes autism in some instances. 

If it is infrequently enough, like 1/1,000,000 I would easily get another child vaccinated with it. If it's 50% then I would not.

I would like to know how often it happens, and that information is not available to us.  

[User]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's not dishonest at all. You don't have a clue whether or not vaccines cause autism. You're just taking the word of Big Pharma's lackeys for it.

I don't have to take anyone's word on anything. There is no real evidence linking vaccines to Autism. 

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There are a lot of people saying that their children suddenly regressed from being normal, healthy, happy children to having full-blown autism on the same day they got vaccinated, Jenny McCarty among them. 

Are you sure that they are all lying? How do you know that?

Remember that you're claiming to know, not just to be a skeptic. So how do you know that all of these people are lying? 

This is anecdotal garbage. I can claim my microwave gave my kid Autism... doesn't mean it did. I don't have to call anyone a liar, I just point out they have no real evidence. 

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1) There is no covid "vaccine". 2) I never said the covid jab causes autism. 

There was in fact a COVID vaccine. Glad you agree it doesn't cause Autism. So... what is your point in bringing it up in regards to your continued stupid claims on Autism?

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I would like to know how often it happens, and that information is not available to us.  

ROFL... so, you support vaccines even though you claim they do cause Autism, you just don't know how much, so you support them anyhow. ROFL

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, User said:

I don't have to take anyone's word on anything. There is no real evidence linking vaccines to Autism. 

So, in other words, you have never looked into it. 

I.e., you don't have a clue.

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This is anecdotal garbage. I can claim my microwave gave my kid Autism... doesn't mean it did. I don't have to call anyone a liar, I just point out they have no real evidence. 

One person is an anecdote. Three people is a strange coincidence. 1,000 people is proof that the vaccines cause autism.

Why do you take it so personally? Was Jonas Salk your dad or something? 

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There was in fact a COVID vaccine. Glad you agree it doesn't cause Autism. So... what is your point in bringing it up in regards to your continued stupid claims on Autism?

There is no vaccine for covid. There was a swing and a miss. We gave that crap to 85% of our population and deaths and hospitalizations went way up. 

I don't "agree that it doesn't cause autism". I don't know if it does or doesn't. I just told you that I never said the covid jab causes autism.

You're the one who conflated the vaccination-induced autism syndrome with covid jabs.  

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ROFL... so, you support vaccines even though you claim they do cause Autism, you just don't know how much, so you support them anyhow. ROFL

No, that's just more proof that you're stupid.

I think that 1 case of autism per 1M doses makes the risk worthwhile (working to eliminate that issue would still be a necessity though). That's not hard to understand.

I think if it's 50% it's definitely not worthwhile. That's not hard to understand.

Chances are it's somewhere in between, but I don't think it's rare.

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

OK, so I said that I'd provide proof of all that covid stuff again, and it wasn't as easy as I thought it would be because I haven't gone to that folder for a long time now.

I don't know if I will get to it all yet, but here's at least some of it....

HOSPITALIZATIONS:

Part of the reason the vax was pushed as being "necessary" for everyone to take was to reduce hospitalizations. The justification for forcing people who didn't need it, to take it, was to keep hospitalizations down, because theoretically, covid hospitalizations were overwhelming our medical community. 

Did the jabs succeed in keeping hospitalizations down? 

User, get a friend to show you where 2022 is on that graph, and ask them if hospitalizations were lower, similar, or higher.

If, by some miracle, you have a friend who isn't ret4rded, and isn't a liar, they will tell you that hospitalizations in 2022 DWARFED hospitalizations in 2020 and 2021. 

 

Actually, I'm not gonna do hospitalizations, deaths, deaths by vax status and all the other stats at the same time. I'm gonna go 1 by 1 and grind your idjit nose into them, User.

Tell me, can you admit that in 2022, after we "vaccinated" 85% of the population, did hospitalizations go down, like they were supposed to once we got enough people vaxed?

Do you think all of those hospitalizations were among the unvaxed? 

Just tell me what you think you know about the vaccines' effectiveness against hospitalizations, and then tell me if you think that the MSM gave you the impression that hospitalizations were up or down. 

Tell me how you can look at that graph, from Health Canada, and interpret it as a vaccine success story, and not a failure. Tell me how you think that 2020 and 2021 looked overwhelming, but 2022 didn't.

Let's drill down here and finish this one part of the topic, then we will move on to deaths. 

@User 

You ran your mouth, now look at Health Canada's graph. 

You can view it here if you want, on Health Canada's own site you f'ing worthless m0r0n: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/archive/2024-03-18/current-situation.html

Edited November 28, 2025 by WestCanMan

[User]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So, in other words, you have never looked into it. 

I.e., you don't have a clue.

I have not looked into Unicorns or Bigfoot much... still no evidence any of them cause Autism. Now, your farts on the other hand... 

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

One person is an anecdote. Three people is a strange coincidence. 1,000 people is proof that the vaccines cause autism.

Why do you take it so personally? Was Jonas Salk your dad or something? 

No, 3 people isn't anything. There is no evidence. That they *THINK* vaccines caused their kids Autism is not proof of anything. 

You are the one pushing this stupidity here, all I am doing is pointing out that it is stupid. 

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're the one who conflated the vaccination-induced autism syndrome with covid jabs.  

No, you were the one who brought up the COVID vaccine. You are obsessed. You likely mumble it to yourself in your sleep. 

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Chances are it's somewhere in between, but I don't think it's rare.

1 in 1 Million is rare... 

 

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, User said:

I have not looked into Unicorns or Bigfoot much... still no evidence any of them cause Autism. Now, your farts on the other hand... 

If you've never looked into it then why are you so opinionated on the topic?

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No, 3 people isn't anything. There is no evidence. That they *THINK* vaccines caused their kids Autism is not proof of anything. 

Not just 3. Thousands.

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You are the one pushing this stupidity here, all I am doing is pointing out that it is stupid. 

The only thing that's stupid here is you.

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No, you were the one who brought up the COVID vaccine. You are obsessed. You likely mumble it to yourself in your sleep. 

Read the OP, genius.

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1 in 1 Million is rare... 

Yup. And I don't know if autism is that rare. I know it's not 1 in 2, but I don't know how low it is. Get it?

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

@User 

You ran your mouth, now look at Health Canada's graph. 

You can view it here if you want, on Health Canada's own site you f'ing worthless m0r0n: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/archive/2024-03-18/current-situation.html

Look 2 posts up, dummy

Edited November 28, 2025 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

@User:

You ran your mouth, now look at Health Canada's graph. 

You can view it here if you want, on Health Canada's own site you f'ing worthless m0r0n: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/archive/2024-03-18/current-situation.html

[User]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You ran your mouth, now look at Health Canada's graph. 

Ran my mouth? LOL

You make claims; all I did was ask for the data you were using. 

So, of those hospitalizations, what does the data say on how many were vaccinated vs unvaccinated? You left that little tidbit out. Gee, I wonder why. Also, you cut and paste a graph... still no source. 

Also, I remember our previous discussions where you were claiming the numbers being released by the officials were all made up... but now you use those stats and believe them? ROFL

 

[User]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If you've never looked into it then why are you so opinionated on the topic?

I am not very opinionated on Bigfoot and Unicorns at all. They don't exist, just like the evidence for vaccines causing Autism. 

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Not just 3. Thousands.

And still... no evidence. The fact that you anti-vax people convince more people to believe their kids' Autism is from Vaccines doesn't make it true. 

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The only thing that's stupid here is you.

And still no evidence...

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Read the OP, genius.

What about it? 

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Yup. And I don't know if autism is that rare. I know it's not 1 in 2, but I don't know how low it is. Get it?

Yet, you still sit here trying to dishonestly claim you support vaccines... while you also claim they cause Autism, but you don't know how much, but still think it is a lot more than that... 

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, User said:

Ran my mouth? LOL

You make claims; all I did was ask for the data you were using. 

So, of those hospitalizations, what does the data say on how many were vaccinated vs unvaccinated? You left that little tidbit out. Gee, I wonder why. Also, you cut and paste a graph... still no source. 

Also, I remember our previous discussions where you were claiming the numbers being released by the officials were all made up... but now you use those stats and believe them? ROFL

 

Look one post up, dummy. The link to the source of that graph is right there, on Health Canada's website.

1. If 85% of the country was vaccinated, and they weren't getting or spreading covid according to you, then what do you think happened: 15% of Canadians accounted for all those hospitalizations? 😂 Idjit
2. You can see from the graphs that I posted in response to MG earlier that 86% of covid deaths in 2022 were among the multi-vaxed. Are you trying to say that all the hospitalizations were unvaxed, but the multi-vaxed did all the dying? Is that a success in your opinion?  
3. If hospitals were overwhelmed in 2020 with the paltry amount of civid patients, what do you think happened in 2022? Were they "way more overwhelmeder", genius?
4. When hospitalizations were so much worse, and so many more people were dying, why did the MSM drop the covid story like a hot potato? They just moved on, and acted like it was basically over.
5. Do you know that that the covidjits here didn't believe me at all when I told them that covid deaths weren't down at all, and that even just some multi-vaxed people were dying of covid? Eyeball was adamant that deaths were down, and that NO multi-vaxed were dying of covid. Isn't that right, @eyeball? Didn't you think I was crazy for suggesting that deaths weren't down in 2022, and that even a few m-vaxed people had died "of covid"? 

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Also, I remember our previous discussions where you were claiming the numbers being released by the officials were all made up... but now you use those stats and believe them? ROFL

Most of what they said was made up. All the vax efficacy stats were total BS.

There is even a huge lie about "covid deaths by vax stats" right on Statista's page, which you can plainly see if you know what M A T H spells. Furthermore, the chart that health Canada put out, which I pasted earlier in this thread (two of them actually, screenshots from different months), was designed to be visually misleading. 

In case you didn't notice, the stats started on Dec 14 2020, when the whole population of Canada was unvaxed, and the flu season was in full swing. So basically every single person that died at that time was guaranteed to be unvaxed, and the "fully vaxed" couldn't possibly have their first death for months. PLUS, as the number of vaxed Canadians started to become statistically significant, flu season was giving way to late spring and early summer: months when people don't die of the flu (and almost no one died of covid in summer 2020). 

So the whole timing of that vax rollout and the conception of how to reveal the vaxed vs unvaxed deaths stat were both perfectly misleading. 

 

Just for gits and shiggles, tell me if you can spot a blatant, actual lie on this page, which makes the vaxes seem more successful than they really were. 

[User]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If 85% of the country was vaccinated

It was a simple question. Notice how you can't answer it. YOU are trying to make some claim about the hospitalizations; all you have to do is look up how many of those hospitalizations were people who were vaccinated or not. 

This is YOUR argument and YOUR stats. So... why can't you give me that number?

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Most of what they said was made up. All the vax efficacy stats were total BS.

Here we go again, this is what you ran away from last time. So... if you think the stats are BS, why are you using the stats to try to make your argument?

[WestCanMan]

34 minutes ago, User said:

It was a simple question. Notice how you can't answer it. YOU are trying to make some claim about the hospitalizations; all you have to do is look up how many of those hospitalizations were people who were vaccinated or not. 

1) That stat is not given out

2) That stat is not necessary, because you'd have to be ret4rded to think that all f those infections came from 15% of the population. How did 15% of the population in 2022 account for triple the number of hospitalizations from 2020 when no one was vaccinated, and 2021 when half the country was vaccinated? It's really stupid to assume that.

3) If your assumption is correct, the the hospitalizations are mainly among the vaxed, the the case fatality rate for the unvaxed is EXTREMELY low compared to that of the vaxed, because most of the deaths were among the vaxed. Does that make sense to you? If ten times as many hospitalizations were from the unvaxed, but 6x as many vaxed people died, that means that the vaxed CFR was 60x higher. Having a CFR that's 60x as high is really bad. 

 

There's no way for you to spin these stats that makes the pseudovax look good. The further you sway hospitalization numbers one way, the higher the CFR must have been for the other group. 

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This is YOUR argument and YOUR stats. So... why can't you give me that number?

Not my stats, Health Canada's stats, dummy. 

My argument stands as correct: the vax campaign was enacted to bring hospitalizations down and it failed to an epic extent. 85% was supposed to be enough to get to "herd immunity" anyways. LMAO, nutjob. 

My argument stands as correct: the vax campaign was enacted to bring deaths down and it failed to an epic extent. 

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Here we go again, this is what you ran away from last time. So... if you think the stats are BS, why are you using the stats to try to make your argument?

The stats I cited aren't BS. 

The cult-handlers cherry-picked that format to display them in a way to visually make the jabs appear far more successful than they were, but they kept it going too long, and the vaxed deaths caught up.

Maybe they thought that covid would just last 2 years, and TBH, their covid scripts seem to have ran out by 2022 as well 😂

 

In any event, I have proven to you that the pseudovax:

1. failed miserably at getting hospitalizations down 
2. failed miserably at getting covid deaths down, especially among the vaxed 

Edited November 28, 2025 by WestCanMan

[User]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

2) That stat is not necessary

ROFL, of course it is. You are here claiming how ineffective the COVID vaccine was because of the amount of hospitalizations, and you can't even tell us what proportion of those hospitalizations were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. 

Never mind, you would also need to show us proportions of death, or severe ICU cases... 
 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

There's no way for you to spin these stats that makes the pseudovax look good. The further you sway hospitalization numbers one way, the higher the CFR must have been for the other group. 

I don't have to spin anything. I just have to point out how moronic your assertions are. 
 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Not my stats, Health Canada's stats, dummy. 

Yes, the stats YOU are using... I swear, you take being obtuse to a whole new level. 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

The stats I cited aren't BS. 

OK... so now you believe the Health Canada stats on COVID or just the ones you can cherry-pick and misrepresent?

You spent a whole lot of time saying you didn't believe anything they were saying and they were all liars... 

 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

 @eyeball? Didn't you think I was crazy for suggesting that deaths weren't down in 2022, and that even a few m-vaxed people had died "of covid"? 

I'm still gobsmacked by your ongoing refusal to submit your work to health authorities and peer review. It's criminally irresponsible at this point.

But have it your way, if you're really just a batshit crazy loon who am I to argue?

[Goddess]

CDC has changed its website RE: vaccines and autism:

Autism and Vaccines | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Key points

• The claim "vaccines do not cause autism" is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism.
• Studies supporting a link have been ignored by health authorities.
• HHS has launched a comprehensive assessment of the causes of autism, including investigations on plausible biologic mechanisms and potential causal links.

I don't think most people realize how little evidence there is for "vaccines DON'T cause autism" and how much evidence there is for "vaccines are the prime suspect for autism".

RFK Jr. and many other groups have asked for proper studies to be done for decades.  Fauci threatened to sue RFK Jr some years ago over the claim and when RFK said Fine, sue me, then the studies you claim that don't show links to autism will have to be presented in court, and Fauci backed down because there are no such studies.

IMO, the claim that vaccines don't cause autism, is the same as the claims originally made about the covid jabs - 100% safe and 95% effective.  And we know how that turned out.  They were lying for $$.

No matter which way you lean, surely we can all agree that it should be studied, which it will be now.  Real studies, true placebo studies, real RCTs.

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, User said:

ROFL, of course it is. You are here claiming how ineffective the COVID vaccine was because of the amount of hospitalizations, and you can't even tell us what proportion of those hospitalizations were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. 

Never mind, you would also need to show us proportions of death, or severe ICU cases... 
 

I don't have to spin anything. I just have to point out how moronic your assertions are. 
 

Yes, the stats YOU are using... I swear, you take being obtuse to a whole new level. 

OK... so now you believe the Health Canada stats on COVID or just the ones you can cherry-pick and misrepresent?

You spent a whole lot of time saying you didn't believe anything they were saying and they were all liars... 

 

Listen, you complete f'ing m0r0n: WE FORCED MILLIONS OF CANADIANS TO VAX FOR TWO REASONS

1. to get hospitalizations down - TOTAL ABJECT FAILURE!!! They tripled
2. to get deaths down - TOTAL ABJECT FAILURE!!! Deaths went up by 30% and almost 90% of the deaths were among the multi-jabbed

If you hired security and then you got robbed 3x as often would you call it a success? 

Someone told you that "In the lab the vaccines are really successful", so you just step over the dead bodies and call it a success?

Understand this about the hospitalization stat: if the majority of hospitalized are unvaxed, but almost everyone who dies is vaxed, that means that the m-vaxed actually have a wickedly high CFR compared to the unvaxed, AND THE ONLY THING THE VAX TESTS FOR IS TO REDUCE CASE OUTCOMES. THAT'S IT. SO IF THE VAXED HAVE A REALLY HIGH CFR THEN THE JABS HAVE A REALLY HIGH FAILURE RATE.

 

Everything that you say is really stupid, User. The jabs failed by every single real-world metric.

1. They didn't stop the spread, they didn't even slow the spread, covid blew up after we vaxed 85% of our population. AND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR FORCING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WAS TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID. WE WENT MACHIAVELLIAN FOR THE JABS AND THE END DID NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. 
2. They didn't reduce hospitalizations at all, they didn't even slow the spread, covid blew up after we vaxed 85% of our population.
3. The jabs did not prevent death. In 2020, when covid was a novel virus, and zero people were vaxed, only 15,000 Canadians died of covid. More than 15,000 multi-vaxed Canadians died in 2022, and all of them survived 2020 while unvaxed.

Your only defence of the jab now is "maybe most of the hospitalized people were unvaxed", but how can that be the case when almost everyone sick enough to die was jabbed? And how high did their CFR have to be in order for them to be the ones doing all the dying if they only accounted for a small percentage of the infections?

You fail, User. Your logic is almost as weak as the toxic jabs. 

[Goddess]

10 hours ago, User said:

You are here claiming how ineffective the COVID vaccine was because of the amount of hospitalizations, and you can't even tell us what proportion of those hospitalizations were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. 

Never mind, you would also need to show us proportions of death, or severe ICU cases... 

If you were truly interested in these stats, you would have noticed, as I did, that provinces stopped publishing this data set when the numbers started going the wrong way.

Here's a screenshot of the last Manitoba stats that I have saved. I was keeping track of Alberta and Manitoba, as those are provinces I have loved ones in.

The data is there.

They just don't want you to have it.

 

[Goddess]

12 hours ago, User said:

Never mind, you would also need to show us proportions of death, or severe ICU cases... 

Looking at just the one data set for Manitoba above - are you able to agree that, although we do not have exact numbers for hospitalizations, deaths, severe cases (that info needs to be FOIP'ed, as they are not giving it up transparently) - ALL of these would be in either the partially or fully vaccinated and NONE would be in the unvaccinated population?

Is that what we should expect from a 95% "effective" vaccine?

You don't need a medical degree or a PhD in epidemiology to be able to reason on this.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

If you were truly interested in these stats, you would have noticed, as I did, that provinces stopped publishing this data set when the numbers started going the wrong way.

Here's a screenshot of the last Manitoba stats that I have saved. I was keeping track of Alberta and Manitoba, as those are provinces I have loved ones in.

The data is there.

They just don't want you to have it.

 

Just to play devil's advocate, I think that what's there is at least partly attributable to the fact that covidjits probably get tested more often than normal people due to the excessive fear instilled in them, but there's no doubt that people with severe enough infections show up to be counted in those stats regardless of whether they're hypochondriacs or not. 

[User]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

If you were truly interested in these stats, you would have noticed, as I did, that provinces stopped publishing this data set when the numbers started going the wrong way.

If they stopped being published, what would Westcanman have been citing then?

No, you are playing a dumb game focused on one province, which... hell, I don't even know if that is true, just because you post a screen grab with no context or link given.

 

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Looking at just the one data set for Manitoba above - are you able to agree that, although we do not have exact numbers for hospitalizations, deaths, severe cases (that info needs to be FOIP'ed, as they are not giving it up transparently) - ALL of these would be in either the partially or fully vaccinated and NONE would be in the unvaccinated population?

LOL, no. Why on Earth would I ever agree to such an illogical conclusion?

 

[User]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Listen, you complete f'ing m0r0n: WE FORCED MILLIONS OF CANADIANS TO VAX FOR TWO REASONS

1. to get hospitalizations down - TOTAL ABJECT FAILURE!!! They tripled
2. to get deaths down - TOTAL ABJECT FAILURE!!! Deaths went up by 30% and almost 90% of the deaths were among the multi-jabbed

No, there were a multitude of reasons to get vaccinated: The core reasons being to stop people from being seriously harmed or dying. 

Hospitalizations went up with a large COVID wave. Show me what proportion of those hospitalizations were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Show me what proportation of hospitalizations led to severe ICU treatments and death. 

THOSE are the numbers that matter. If you can't show those numbers, you are just full of shit. 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If you hired security and then you got robbed 3x as often would you call it a success? 

The problem with your analogy here is that in this instance, people like you refused to use Security while others did. So while robberies went up, they were among those who didn't have security. 

Now you are here, dishonestly trying to claim security doesn't work. 

Of course not, when you don't use it. 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Someone told you that "In the lab the vaccines are really successful", so you just step over the dead bodies and call it a success?

Again, show me what proportion of the dead bodies were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. 

 

[Goddess]

25 minutes ago, User said:

If they stopped being published, what would Westcanman have been citing then?

Published FOIP requests and stats from Health Canada's mish-mash of info.  Canada had one of the worst reporting systems in the world. Other countries had far better data sets - Japan and Czechoslovakia, for just 2.

Have you looked at the Czech data?  It's quite damning.

 

17 minutes ago, User said:

THOSE are the numbers that matter. If you can't show those numbers, you are just full of shit. 

Yes, those are the numbers that matter.  There's a myriad of studies with data sets that show the vaccinated get covid way more than the unvaccinated.  I discussed the Cleveland Study with a cohort of 50,000 extensively in the Trickle thread.

Why do you think no one in any of the alphabet entities wants to do a vax vs. unvaxxed study?  And you guys reject all independent studies of data sets, which do show increased hospitalizations and deaths for vaxxed people.  The studies also show that the jabs damage immune systems, so vaxxed people are also dying at higher rates of pretty much everything.  Infections that were no big deal before covid, now people are dying from them becuase the jabs have damaged their immune systems and what goes on the death certificate?  Not death from immune damage from covid jabs, that's for sure.  But that is exactly what is happening.

17 minutes ago, User said:

Again, show me what proportion of the dead bodies were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. 

You are the one claiming the jabs are safe and effective.  The onus is on YOU to prove they are.  And remember, the stakes and responsibility are higher because they were being forced on perfectly healthy people who faced extremely small risk of dying from covid.

It's the same with the childhood vaccines.  No one but RFK wants to do a true vaxxed vs. unvaxxed study, which I assume you are against those studies being done, so why demand them from us?  You haven't demanded them from the alphabet entities and you demonize the people who have demanded them.

Your aguements make no sense.

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[WestCanMan]

22 minutes ago, User said:

No, there were a multitude of reasons to get vaccinated: The core reasons being to stop people from being seriously harmed or dying. 

Hospitalizations went up with a large COVID wave. Show me what proportion of those hospitalizations were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Show me what proportation of hospitalizations led to severe ICU treatments and death. 

THOSE are the numbers that matter. If you can't show those numbers, you are just full of shit. 

What you're desperately clutching for is "anything that tickles your confirmation bias" but sorry, 1) it's not my job to find that for you and 2) you won't find that in real-world results.

That's only found in secret lab tests, which are subject to be downgraded weekly, as the goalposts are shifted along with them.  

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1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

That's only found in secret lab tests

How do you guys manage to find them if they're a secret?