Congrats anti-vaxers: Canada officially loses its measles elimination status

[Goddess]

54 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The basic point that people need to get into their heads; measles is spreading rapidly because the vaccination rate is too low. 

And I just explained WHY that is the case.

[eyeball]

29 minutes ago, Goddess said:

And I just explained WHY that is the case.

Yes well, as has been explained to you several times over the years - Canada needs strict vaccine mandates.

From ostriches to humans...everywhere, for everything, all the time... no exceptions, unless you have a  doctors note explaining why.

Hesitancy doesn't count.

 

[User]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

22 hours ago, I am Groot said:

We’ve had mennonites for centuries so blaming the recent outbreak on them is dubious

As always, you start with your extreme partisan bias and work backwards.

Measles outbreaks didn’t start recently and have been occurring since before the Pandemic and are in fact linked heavily to Mennonite communities.

Since the Pandemic, folks like you only have yourselves to blame.

Folks like you pushed lies, you pushed government mandates, and it was folks like you who soured more people on vaccines, pushing them into the typical anti-vax BS, which was hardly limited to the right wing either. The anti-vax nuttery spans ideological spectrums.

 

[Legato]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes well, as has been explained to you several times over the years - Canada needs strict vaccine mandates.

From ostriches to humans...everywhere, for everything, all the time... no exceptions, unless you have a  doctors note explaining why.

Hesitancy doesn't count.

 

It's the tobacco that counts.

[Goddess]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes well, as has been explained to you several times over the years - Canada needs strict vaccine mandates.

From ostriches to humans...everywhere, for everything, all the time... no exceptions, unless you have a  doctors note explaining why.

Hesitancy doesn't count.

 

FYI:

Like pretty much ALL childhood diseases, the death rate from measles had already declined by 98% BEFORE THE VACCINE WAS INTRODUCED.

Official US government data shows that in 1900, the death rate from measles was 13.3 per 100,000 individuals and by 1960, it was 0.2 in 1961 and 1962.  Innovations in sanitation and better nutrition have always accounted for far better outcomes from disease than vaccines.  The first measles vax came out in 1963.

Plumbers and civil engineers did more for public health than Pharma ever did.

Like polio, which had already declined before a vax came out, because someone "questioned the science" and they had to quit spraying children with DDT.

👇 US gov't spraying children with DDT in 1947. 👇

[Goddess]

If you want to do a deep dive into how they sequence the measles genotypes, there's this:

Molecular Epidemiology of B3 and D8 Measles Viruses through Hemagglutinin Phylogenetic History - PMC

 

Another important part is an analysis of the overall health of those that died of measles. Hopefully, most people now understand, from covid, the concept of dying WITH or FROM a disease. Undoubtedly, of the 400 measles deaths that were occurring annually by 1962 (just before modern day vaccine program) many of those kids would have been known to be unhealthy kids and were dying with measles, as much as they were dying from measles.

Like covid, healthy kids (even moderately healthy kids) have no issue with common diseases. Any child that is at risk from something like chickenpox, measles or covid would be at risk from almost anything. These are the very few kids that should be considered for vaccines, because the risk / benefit equation for them is different than a child that is recognized as healthy. The health of the vast majority of babies is known right at birth, they know in the delivery room if you have a good one or not. We are doing the wrong thing selecting healthy people for vaccination.

Another lesson from COVID, vaccines don’t prevent catching and spreading disease, so that aspect of vaccines is irrelevant. Society would be farther ahead to allow healthy people to catch common diseases and build true herd immunity. And in the modern age when people do catch disease there are treatments to mitigate symptoms.

Everybody I know had chickenpox, measles (German & Red), whooping cough, mumps, as kids.

Nobody freaked out about it.

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Like polio, which had already declined before a vax came out, because someone "questioned the science" and they had to quit spraying children with DDT.

They used DDT to control insects that carried disease. Arguments that it harmed the environment and human health pro and con flew back and forth but science finally settled the issue when it pointed out the evolution of DDT resistance amongst insect populations.

DDT was used in the belief it could reduce polio but it had zero effect as polio is only transmitted from human to human.

22 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Plumbers and civil engineers did more for public health than Pharma ever did.

Yes washing your hands is always a good idea. Thank goodness for indoor plumbing.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Arguments that it harmed the environment and human health pro and con flew back and forth but science finally settled the issue when it pointed out the evolution of DDT resistance amongst insect populations.

How do you square this statement with your firm belief that government science should NEVER be questioned?

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Everybody I know had chickenpox, measles (German & Red), whooping cough, mumps, as kids.

Nobody freaked out about it.

People weren't conditioned to freak out about it the way they are against vaccine today. If they were there'd probably be people gargling DDT.

There was a determined dedicated squad of nitpicking mothers who could process a class full of kids in no time at all when we had lice outbreaks.

Kids who freaked out would be marched to the swimming pool and held under until the bubbles stopped.

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

How do you square this statement with your firm belief that government science should NEVER be questioned?

What firm belief? LMAO!

This is just a belief about me that has you in a brain lock.

But if you insist...I was lying 

 

[Goddess]

56 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What firm belief? LMAO!

This is just a belief about me that has you in a brain lock.

But if you insist...I was lying 

 

You attack, quite viciously, anyone who questions or gives a different perspective on anything scientific than goes against the prevailing narrative from the gov't.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You attack, quite viciously, anyone who questions or gives a different perspective on anything scientific than goes against the prevailing narrative from the gov't.

No, I just mock them when they persist with their questioning when it's clear they make no sense to what the vast majority of other scientists are saying.

So I follow the science and it's just a fortunate coincidence when governments do too. Some don't and it usually shows, like in Alberta for example.

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

when it's clear they make no sense to what the vast majority of other scientists are saying.

The majority of scientists thought spraying children with DDT and that thalidomide were great ideas.

Thank gawd there are scientists who question. 

Although you are against anyone who questions.

[Shady]

On 11/11/2025 at 2:32 PM, User said:

Sigh… I swear, why must you folks routinely push this BS like this about vaccines and disease?

No, measles is not like having the flu.

Measles is more contagious, and for those who get it will be more deadly, with more complications and higher hospitalization.

All of which is almost entirely preventable in a vaccinated population.

I’ve had measles.  It was literally just like having the flu.  If you wanna hide under your bed over this, be my guest.  No it’s not more deadly.  It’s only more deadly if you’re severely malnourished.  You people need to stop pushing this nonsensical and irrational fear.

Btw.  Canada didn’t have measles eradication status during the 90s.  Did anyone know or even notice?  Nope.

[Goddess]

Vitamin A, if you have children and are lighting your hair on fire over measles in Canada.

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The majority of scientists thought spraying children with DDT and that thalidomide were great ideas.

Thank gawd there are scientists who question.

4 years was all it took to turn scientists heads around on thalidomide. It, plus DDT is what probably started waking people up to the way industrial pressure can influence governments and prompting demands for greater accountability and transparency.

Take the military industrial complex people were starting to talk about back in the day of Thalidomide for example. Note the military was a big fan of DDT.

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Although you are against anyone who questions.

No, just the crackpots. I put my faith in science and if that's what they have at the end of the day then that day will be won.

[Legato]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

4 years was all it took to turn scientists heads around on thalidomide. It, plus DDT is what probably started waking people up to the way industrial pressure can influence governments and prompting demands for greater accountability and transparency.

Take the military industrial complex people were starting to talk about back in the day of Thalidomide for example. Note the military was a big fan of DDT.

No, just the crackpots. I put my faith in science and if that's what they have at the end of the day then that day will be won.

Do you mean big pharma science, those people who want you to be sick all the time? If so your faith is akin to most tele evangelists.

[Goddess]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I put my faith in science and if that's what they have at the end of the day then that day will be won.

No, you don't.  Your #1 excuse is "vast majority of scientists agree."

If we were having this conversation during the DDT days or the thalidomide days, I would be posting studies that show neither was safe and you would be saying "You're a crackpot, the vast majority of scientists say it's safe."

And you would be wrong.

Like you are now.

Because you don't have faith in science.  You are just easily manipulated and unable to reason for yourself.

[Goddess]

The vast majority (shoutout to eyeball🤣 ) of measles cases in Alberta are older than 5 years old - 71%.

These are the age groups that would have been vaccinated for measles, usually done at 12 and 18 months.

It's not "anti-vaxxers".  That sentiment would have taken off before late 2021.

The era of "vaccine hesitancy" fails to account for the majority of cases.

 

[Goddess]

Alberta and Saskatchewan were the 2 LAST provinces that encountered this latest measles outbreak.

This timeline is good, but from a garbage article in the NYT.  Link below.

Canada Is About to Lose Its Status as Having Eliminated Measles - The New York Times

[User]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

I’ve had measles.  It was literally just like having the flu.  If you wanna hide under your bed over this, be my guest.  No it’s not more deadly.  It’s only more deadly if you’re severely malnourished.  You people need to stop pushing this nonsensical and irrational fear.

Btw.  Canada didn’t have measles eradication status during the 90s.  Did anyone know or even notice?  Nope.

Do you really not understand how what happened to you with measles is not representative for what happens with measles in the general population?

The statistical analysis of measles vs flu and being more deadly is not based on malnutrition.

These are basics facts, not fear. 
 

You are the one pushing irrational fear of a simple long used and safe vaccine. 
 

 

[Shady]

19 minutes ago, User said:

Do you really not understand how what happened to you with measles is not representative for what happens with measles in the general population?

The statistical analysis of measles vs flu and being more deadly is not based on malnutrition.

These are basics facts, not fear. 
 

You are the one pushing irrational fear of a simple long used and safe vaccine. 
 

 

Nope.  The measles for the general population is nothing to worry about.  You have to be in very poor health for it to be an issue.  The fact that people are losing their sh!t over the measles show just how far society has fallen.  I don’t think any vaccine should be mandated.  But guess what?  If you’re worried about measles get vaccinated.  Then you don’t have to worry about anyone that hasn’t been vaccinated.

People losing their sh!t over the measles! 😂

 

[herbie]

5 minutes ago, Shady said:

The measles for the general population is nothing to worry about.

Do tell my dead sister about it Dr. Shady
and every kid sick in bed and isolated for weeks.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Do you mean big pharma science, those people who want you to be sick all the time? 

Nope, I mean big pharma execs. People who want more money.

Like scientists, they have a few crackpots too.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

No, you don't.  Your #1 excuse is "vast majority of scientists agree."

It's not an excuse when it's valid.

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

If we were having this conversation during the DDT days or the thalidomide days, I would be posting studies that show neither was safe and you would be saying "You're a crackpot, the vast majority of scientists say it's safe."

Big if. If you were arguing seriously about evidence you'd use an argument you could provide evidence for. You have a time machine handy?

I was a toddler at the time btw...proof that this sort of argumentation is really unproductive... especially when you use it to support the importance of evidence.

Speaking of which and with full disclosure...

AI Overview - To my question: when was the use of DDT first criticized.

Criticism of the use of DDT began emerging in the scientific community almost as soon as it became widely available after World War II, with public warnings appearing as early as 1944.

About the same amount of time it took for scientists to link Thalidomide with birth defects. Thalidomide was banned virtually overnight I might add. They used better quality crackpots I guess.

What does your AI query say?l

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

And you would be wrong.

Like you are now.

Because you don't have faith in science.

You say I'm lying, where's your evidence?

Personally I think you have way way to much faith in yourself - you're just completely full of it.

Edited November 13, 2025 by eyeball