Congrats anti-vaxers: Canada officially loses its measles elimination status

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

The NEJoM also had to retract a fake study that they did about HCQ. 

Actually...

AI Overview

In June 2020, both the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) and The Lancet retracted high-profile COVID-19 studies that relied on data from the company Surgisphere because the data could not be independently verified. The NEJM study focused on cardiovascular disease and blood pressure medications in COVID-19 patients, not hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as the user's query might suggest. 

 

[User]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're tilting at windmills, user. 

I never flippantly dismissed any misfortunes that happened to anyone.

Yes. I commented on the seriousness and deadliness of Measles, and your response was:

"TBH, my understanding of measles is that it's only really serious for children that are too young to get the vaccine for it anyways. "

You completely ignored directly responding to the seriousness of the disease and falsely downplayed it as only being bad for children too young to get the vaccine. 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If I'm wrong about that, then I'm obviously not alone. Go tell the medical professionals at Stanford that they're wrong.

Notice the word "particularly" and "higher rish" there. It doesn't mean there isn't risk or serious complications for others. 
 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

So what? It's accurate.

No, you completely ignore the point and create some bogus alternative by saying "pretty much"

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

"Science" 🤣

The "science" that you're citing was never anything more than a pack of lies. 

Yes, the science. I did not provide anything here for you to claim I cited something that is a lie. This is your usual game of arguing against things imagined. The science, the facts, the point I am making, is that these don't change just because you want to attack the source. If someone is a liar, and they tell you that Walmart sells water... it doesn't mean Walmart doesn't sell water, that is a fact independent of them being a liar. Do you get it now? 

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, User said:

Yes. I commented on the seriousness and deadliness of Measles, and your response was:

"TBH, my understanding of measles is that it's only really serious for children that are too young to get the vaccine for it anyways. "

You completely ignored directly responding to the seriousness of the disease and falsely downplayed it as only being bad for children too young to get the vaccine. 

Notice the word "particularly" and "higher rish" there. It doesn't mean there isn't risk or serious complications for others. 
 

No, you completely ignore the point and create some bogus alternative by saying "pretty much"

Yes, the science. I did not provide anything here for you to claim I cited something that is a lie. This is your usual game of arguing against things imagined. The science, the facts, the point I am making, is that these don't change just because you want to attack the source.

1) Dude, you need to take a Valium. 

Measles is deadly for kids under 2, and potentially really bad for kids from 2-5.

Understanding that means, to the average person, that kids should be vaccinated for it.

2) The "pretty much" comment was that "the measles vaccine pretty much is a magic shield". You said it was not a magic shield, but in truth, it is. If there are 4 people in your family who are all vaccinated and you have a 12-month old baby, the "97% chance of not carrying the infection home to the baby" feels pretty damned good. 

By contrast, if you have 4 people in your family and they all got 4 covid jabs, the chances of them getting sick with covid didn't change. Canada had several times as many infections in 2022 as the other years, and they weren't all among the unvaxed, judging by the fact that over 85% of the covid deaths came from the multi-vaxed. 

3) The science you're referring to was literally all lies, dude. the first time Fauci came on your TV to say "pangolin", that was a massive f'ing lie which is 100% contrary to the whole concept of science. If you knew in that moment how much of a lie that was then you never would have listened to another word he said. 

All of Fauci's claims, predictions and guarantees were all false when he said them. All of them. Saying that "the vaccines will all be safe and effective" was a lie: science never would have predicted that could happen in 6 months. Science includes history, and history is full of examples of drugs which proved to be completely hazardous to human health. Saying that they were safe, at the time he said it, was a lie: we already knew of deaths and myocarditis and pericarditis. FYI that's not "safe". 

It's safer than being in a plane crash, but it's not safer than "just getting covid" for young, healthy people. 

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If someone is a liar, and they tell you that Walmart sells water... it doesn't mean Walmart doesn't sell water, that is a fact independent of them being a liar. Do you get it now? 

That's neither here nor there. Sorry but it's just a really stupid analogy. 

Here's a similar analogy that's actually on point: If you found out that WalMart created the f'ing covid virus, and then blamed it on a pangolin, would you trust WalMart to tell you how to treat covid?

And that's actually a tougher question to answer than you think:

• Maybe they created the virus and then let it out because they already had the cure, and they knew that you'd have no choice but buy it...
• Maybe covid was a Chinese bioweapon and the jab that you received was actually the cure for a bioweapon that the US was going to release as retaliation after enough people took it (Like I said from the beginning of covid: the Chinese were basically eliminating infants 20 years ago to curb their population... If they could release a virus that would kill almost everyone over 65, would they do it?)

To say: "the covid virus either escaped the Wuhan lab accidentally or it was a product of nature" is actually a false dichotomy... Those aren't the only two options and it's not even close. Maybe it wasn't even the Chinese lab that created it, maybe the Americans created it in America 30 years ago, or 5 years ago (despite international laws), and released it by the Wuhan lab. Maybe it was created in Ukraine and released there.

The possibilities are endless, but everything Fauci said was still a lie, because it was all blatantly untrue when he said it. 

[User]

54 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Measles is deadly for kids under 2, and potentially really bad for kids from 2-5.

Understanding that means, to the average person, that kids should be vaccinated for it.

Measles is deadly for more than this and causes serious complications and hospitalizations for more than this. 

54 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You said it was not a magic shield, but in truth, it is.

No, it is not. Folks like you continue to argue about this vaccine as if it only matters that the people who care get vaccinated. That is simply not true, or how vaccines like this work best in actually eradicating a disease to fully mitigate the threat. 

56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The science you're referring to was literally all lies

Sigh. I did not refer to any specific science for you to sit here calling it all lies. This is what you do though...

56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's neither here nor there. Sorry but it's just a really stupid analogy. 

No, it is not stupid just because you say it is. The point still stands, you can't actually refute it, that you are trying to play the logical fallacy game of attacking the source instead of dealing with the substance. You want to keep railing about COVID, and I did not mention it at all. 

I am speaking about science in general, that regardless of what you think of anyone or their being liars, that doesn't change the actual science or facts. 

 

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, User said:

Measles is deadly for more than this and causes serious complications and hospitalizations for more than this. 

No, it is not. Folks like you continue to argue about this vaccine as if it only matters that the people who care get vaccinated. That is simply not true, or how vaccines like this work best in actually eradicating a disease to fully mitigate the threat. 

Sigh. I did not refer to any specific science for you to sit here calling it all lies. This is what you do though...

No, it is not stupid just because you say it is. The point still stands, you can't actually refute it, that you are trying to play the logical fallacy game of attacking the source instead of dealing with the substance. You want to keep railing about COVID, and I did not mention it at all. 

I am speaking about science in general, that regardless of what you think of anyone or their being liars, that doesn't change the actual science or facts. 

You're wrong about so much of that, and I don't know why you're so adamant about it all.

1) the net effect of the measles vax on a population is "a magic shield". The effect of that vax on individuals is still "pretty damn close" to being a magic shield

2) There are 2 types of vaccines: actual vaccines and cultist vaccines

3) The credibility of the medical profession was absolutely destroyed by the covid farce. That's what lying does: it destroys one's credibility. You could argue that some of those people weren't "lying", because they were just really stupid and had less of an understanding of epidemiology than a passing grade 12 biology student, but that still destroys their credibility.

The whole covid/vaccine farce was just a web of lies from the beginning, and you can't refute a single lie I pointed to. High-profile, well-respected doctors called out those lies. They were excoriated, censured, and threatened with losing their licenses, but they still stood firm. 

Dr Kory is still being lied about to this day, even right on wiki:

• Pierre Kory is an American critical care physician who gained attention during the COVID-19 pandemic for advocating widespread off-label use of ineffective drug treatments for COVID-19, as president and co-founder of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC).^[1][2] Kory testified twice to the U.S. Senate regarding COVID-19. During his testimony in December 2020, Kory erroneously claimed that the antiparasitic medication ivermectin was a "wonder drug" with "miraculous effectiveness" against COVID-19.^[3][4]

That's just 100% wrong:

• It's not just "antiparasitic". Initially, yes, but 
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9135450/: "In the last decade, several in-vitro studies have shown its anti-viral activity against a broad range of viruses."
• It wasn't an erroneous claim. From the same article: However, its anti-COVID activity in real-life in patients who were treated with standard dose of 3 days of ivermectin showed the significant reduction in culture viability in the ivermectin group compared to placebo [3]. In addition, ivermectin has anti-inflammatory properties based on in-vitro and in animal model studies. An extensive review of the potential mechanisms of action for ivermectin against COVID-19 was recently published [4].

 

Even in 2025, lies about the covid jab and ivermectin are still the norm, as evidenced by wiki's lies. There you have it

[WestCanMan]

If you think something I said was incorrect then be man enough to say it exflyer, you gutless weasel. 

[WestCanMan]

@User

Bro, it's 2025 and ivermectin's effectiveness at fighting covid is still being lied about in the mainstream. 

Just think about the fact that there was a dirt-cheap and perfectly safe tool for fighting covid, something that we could have dosed the whole planet with for maybe $100M, and instead we gave Pfizer and Moderna untold billions of dollars for a dangerous pseudovax that failed (when deaths go up sharply and infections and hospitalizations spike after we "vaccinate" 85% of the population, I call that vaccination campaign a failure) 

The data came out in Uttar Pradesh on a massive scale, they have 5 times the population of our country there, and it was debunked by a snotty "correlation is not causation" retort plus some more fake studies that were published in popular medical journals and trumpeted on our "trusted news initiative" networks.   

Dr Kory is still being maligned and slandered right now on Wiki, User. Today. YEARS after we knew that ivermectin works. 

By contrast, here's what wiki says about Fauci in their opening paragraph:

• Anthony Stephen Fauci ForMemRS (/ˈfaʊtʃi/ FOW-chee;^[5] born December 24, 1940) is an American physician-scientist and immunologist who served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) from 1984 to 2022, and the chief medical advisor to the president from 2021 to 2022.^[6] Fauci was one of the world's most frequently cited scientists across all scientific journals from 1983 to 2002.^[7][8] In 2008, President George W. Bush awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the United States, for his work on the AIDS relief program PEPFAR.^[9]

Where's the mention of Fauci's little "funded the creation of the covid virus and then blamed a f'ing pangolin" faux pas?

 

Kory fought hard for mankind and he's still being maligned, Fauci served Pfizer like a slavish dog and sold us all out, and he's "a tireless worker and champion" 🤮.

You're light years on the wrong side of history now.  

Edited November 17, 2025 by WestCanMan

[User]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're wrong about so much of that, and I don't know why you're so adamant about it all.

1) the net effect of the measles vax on a population is "a magic shield". The effect of that vax on individuals is still "pretty damn close" to being a magic shield

OK, you are just repeating yourself instead of responding to me. Here you go, again:

No, it is not. Folks like you continue to argue about this vaccine as if it only matters that the people who care get vaccinated. That is simply not true, or how vaccines like this work best in actually eradicating a disease to fully mitigate the threat. 

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

2) There are 2 types of vaccines: actual vaccines and cultist vaccines

There are 2 types of people: Those who think there are 2 types of people and those who don't...

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

3) The credibility of the medical profession was absolutely destroyed by the covid farce...

Once again, you go off on some rant that has nothing to do with anything I have said. You ignored most of my response. 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Bro, it's 2025 and ivermectin's effectiveness at fighting covid is still being lied about in the mainstream. 

Bro, this was never a point of contention here. Bro, Ivermectin doesn't do much of anything for COVID. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, User said:

OK, you are just repeating yourself instead of responding to me. Here you go, again:

No, it is not. Folks like you continue to argue about this vaccine as if it only matters that the people who care get vaccinated. That is simply not true, or how vaccines like this work best in actually eradicating a disease to fully mitigate the threat. 

Dude: you can't force people to take vaccines. Even ones that work as advertised.

All that we can do is try to reason with people who have been lied to by Health Canada.

You have to acknowledge that it's hard to sell someone on a measles vaccine from Pfizer after Pfizer just threw down that covid vax bullshit.

If you believe Dr Fauci and you believe that the covid vaccinations were a success here, that's just you ignoring the cold, hard facts that have been presented to you. 

Utter Pradesh had success fighting covid with ivermectin. Covid deaths dropped dramatically there compared to other Indian provinces. The only case that could be made against that success was "correlation isn't causation". 

Canada had no success fighting covid with the jabs. Our covid deaths went up dramatically, and the vast majority of our covid deaths were among the multi-vaxed. That's not "westcanman just saying that", it's "westcanman passing along Health Canada's own stats to you in a way that you would rather not acknowledge". The only defence of the vaccines' failures was "infections went up drastically". Well guess what? Forcing people to vax was only justified by pretending that they slowed the spread. So whether you want to acknowledge that the jabs failed:

• because more people died,
• or they failed because so many more people got infected,

either way you look at it, the jabs ABSOLUTELY FAILED because both things actually happened. Math says that, and math trumps closed-door trial data. After the scientists try their theories out on the general public, at scale, math determines the champion. Ivermectin won. 

Just get the F over it, dude. The vaccines were forced on us all because they were supposed to bring down covid deaths and they went up by 30% in 2022. Full stop. They were forced on us to do something that they simply DID NOT DO. Health Canada's stats said that in no uncertain terms, but CBC never passed along the info.

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There are 2 types of people: Those who think there are 2 types of people and those who don't... 

So now that we're done done pretending that there were two types of people "the vaxed and the unvaxed", we can't do that anymore? 

Nice try. 

There are actually two types of people: 1) people who acknowledge the vax scam, and 2) cultists. 

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Once again, you go off on some rant that has nothing to do with anything I have said. You ignored most of my response. 

Here's the deal, dude: the people who push the real vaccines also lied to us about the covid vaccines. 

Intelligent, open-minded people understand that implicitly. 

It's not easy to get people to take "medicine" from Pfizer, for very good reason. That is what we are dealing with. 

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Bro, this was never a point of contention here. Bro, Ivermectin doesn't do much of anything for COVID.

Did you not read the NiH article I posted that acknowledges that:

1. ivermectin isn't just an anti-parasitic medicine anymore, as the MSM would have you believe it has been a successful anti-viral medication for decades
2. ivermectin also had very real success against covid in clinical trials

FYI number 2 there provides the "causation" effect that was somehow missed when ivermectin usage somehow correlated with massive covid-fighting success in Uttar Pradesh

https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/the-miracle-not-heard-around-the

Uttar Pradesh's ivermectin campaign enjoyed the greatest success of any covid-fighting technique anywhere in the world. Period. 

Edited November 18, 2025 by WestCanMan

[User]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Dude: you can't force people to take vaccines. Even ones that work as advertised.

Nowhere did I say to force people... 

Why do you have such a hard time responding to things I actually say?

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Canada had no success fighting covid with the jabs.

We have already been in several discussions before now where you have been proven wrong on this. 

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There are actually two types of people: 1) people who acknowledge the vax scam, and 2) cultists. 

There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary and those who do not. 

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Here's the deal, dude:

Like, again, you are going off on things I have not said...

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Uttar Pradesh's ivermectin campaign enjoyed the greatest success of any covid-fighting technique anywhere in the world. Period.

LOL, sure dude:

"

As the Australian epidemiologist Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz has pointed out, even though the Uttar Pradesh authorities directed medical officers to start giving doses of ivermectin to patients being treated for COVID-19 in August 2020, a sharp rise in cases and deaths followed anyway, then subsided.

What actually happened was that authorities began a testing and treatment campaign as cases rose, going door-to-door and advising those who tested positive to quarantine themselves and giving them a medical kit that may — or may not — have included ivermectin. But only 5 million kits were handed out among a population of as many as 250 million.

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Even if the drug were 100% effective, Meyerowitz-Katz observes, “that’s simply not enough to even make a dent in the state’s numbers.” In any event, authorities imposed a strict lockdown in April 2021, around the time that cases spiked. Uttar Pradesh also had a successful vaccination drive, with 78% of the eligible population vaccinated by the end of 2021.

By then, COVID had swept through Uttar Pradesh, suggesting that much of the population had acquired some natural immunity. Put it all together, and ivermectin’s possible role in the state’s experience wanes nearly to nothing."

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-31/ivermectin-doesnt-work-against-covid-19-study#:~:text=Ivermectin%2C touted as a treatment,may not — have included ivermectin.

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, User said:

Nowhere did I say to force people... 

Why do you have such a hard time responding to things I actually say?

I didn't accuse you of saying anything. I simply stated a couple of facts.

We can't force people, and people have 100% solid reasons for not trusting Health Canada. 

People didn't stop trusting Health Canada because they're stupid, people stopped trusting Health Canada because they caught our medical professionals lying to them.

Facts, facts and more facts.

Yes, I still personally believe i the measles vaccine, but I also don't trust our medical professionals at all. 

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We have already been in several discussions before now where you have been proven wrong on this. 

Never a singe one. 

Not a single thing that I said about this was proven false.

Do you doubt the massive increase in infections? The 30% increase in deaths? That 85.7% of our covid deaths in 2022 were occurring among the multi-vaxed? 

Tell me what you think is wrong, and I will put you squarely in your f'ing place.

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There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary and those who do not. 

Like, again, you are going off on things I have not said...

Understand what I'm saying here: people in Canada have extremely good reasons for not trusting our medical experts. That is a sad fact that cannot be challenged. It is carved in stone. Intelligent, open-minded people understand that implicitly. Whether or not you understand that is simply a measure of your mental capacity. 

Be the stone wall if you want.  

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LOL, sure dude:

"

As the Australian epidemiologist Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz has pointed out, even though the Uttar Pradesh authorities directed medical officers to start giving doses of ivermectin to patients being treated for COVID-19 in August 2020, a sharp rise in cases and deaths followed anyway, then subsided.

What actually happened was that authorities began a testing and treatment campaign as cases rose, going door-to-door and advising those who tested positive to quarantine themselves and giving them a medical kit that may — or may not — have included ivermectin. But only 5 million kits were handed out among a population of as many as 250 million.

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Hiltzik: Ivermectin, another bogus COVID treatment, becomes a darling of conspiracy-mongers

July 22, 2021

Even if the drug were 100% effective, Meyerowitz-Katz observes, “that’s simply not enough to even make a dent in the state’s numbers.” In any event, authorities imposed a strict lockdown in April 2021, around the time that cases spiked. Uttar Pradesh also had a successful vaccination drive, with 78% of the eligible population vaccinated by the end of 2021.

By then, COVID had swept through Uttar Pradesh, suggesting that much of the population had acquired some natural immunity. Put it all together, and ivermectin’s possible role in the state’s experience wanes nearly to nothing."

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-31/ivermectin-doesnt-work-against-covid-19-study#:~:text=Ivermectin%2C touted as a treatment,may not — have included ivermectin.

 

 

Thanks for putting out old, debunked, anti-ivermectin propaganda. 

Even the NiH is finally acknowledging that ivermectin actually works against covid. It is in the article I posted earlier. Stop pretending to not know that. 

FYI the success against covid in Uttar Pradesh happened before 2% of the population was vaccinated, and there weren't just ivermectin kits for 5M people. https://rescue.substack.com/p/the-media-is-silent-but-the-data

•  A report from the WHO confirmed the strategy: Government teams moved across 97,941 villages in seventy-five districts. The state government deployed 141,610 teams and 21,242 supervisors to ensure total rural area coverage.

Are you saying that 141,600 teams only gave out 5M kits? So each entire team only gave out 50 kits? 

That's like a whole team of people being deployed only to give kits to all of the people in one townhome complex. How long did they work for, according to your "expert"? Just until the first coffee break of one day? 

Buddy, the whole strategy of the covid game was to "lie about everything covid-related, and if you couldn't lie about it then just don't talk about it". 

Do you think that the CBC, BBC, NYT, WashPo, FB, Twitter, Google, YouTube, AP Reuters were busy lying about covid 24/7, and kicking people off their platforms for talking about the BSL4 lab, but the LATimes was busy telling the truth? 

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9135450/

That's the NiH dude. NiH. 

Here are their words. You tell me what you think these words mean:

• In the last decade, several in-vitro studies have shown its [ivermectin's] anti-viral activity against a broad range of viruses. At the beginning of the COVID pandemic, ivermectin was tested in vitro against SARS-CoV-2 and showed a highly significant reduction (99.8%) in viral RNA after 48 hours [1], but it was criticized that this was achieved by using a much higher dose in comparison to the standard dose in human use [2]. However, its anti-COVID activity in real-life in patients who were treated with standard dose of 3 days of ivermectin showed the significant reduction in culture viability in the ivermectin group compared to placebo [3]. In addition, ivermectin has anti-inflammatory properties based on in-vitro and in animal model studies. An extensive review of the potential mechanisms of action for ivermectin against COVID-19 was recently published [4].

You tell me how that NiH article says that ivermectin doesn't really do anything. 

Now go back and read this part again:

• At the beginning of the COVID pandemic, ivermectin was tested in vitro against SARS-CoV-2 and showed a highly significant reduction (99.8%) in viral RNA after 48 hours

Ivermectin was an off-patent drug that had been used for decades and was known to be safe. 

FYI, because ivermectin was an off-patent drug, that means that anyone and their dog who was capable of making ivermectin was allowed to make it without paying anyone even one cent in royalties. 

But there was an all-out war against ivermectin in our media, and by our government and our medical community. 

Honestly, look at that NiH article and tell me all about ivermectin not working again. 

[User]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I didn't accuse you of saying anything. I simply stated a couple of facts.

Then get a diary... stop responding to me like I said things I did not. 

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Never a singe one. 

Sigh... sure dude. You ran away from almost all of them, if not every one of them. 

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Be the stone wall if you want.  

Understand here: Try responding to the things I actually say. 

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Thanks for putting out old, debunked, anti-ivermectin propaganda. 

It is no older than your outdated, long ago debunked example from India... 

 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, User said:

Then get a diary... stop responding to me like I said things I did not. 

Sigh... sure dude. You ran away from almost all of them, if not every one of them. 

Understand here: Try responding to the things I actually say. 

It is no older than your outdated, long ago debunked example from India... 

 

Get a life, User. Stop making generic accusations that you can't back up.

There are NO covid claims that I made which I ran away from, liar. 

1) The covid vax didn't work, period, and it killed and severely injured a lot of people, but TBH, that's not even the standard that necessarily had to be reached for me to make the claim that vax fascism was unwarranted. In order for vax-fascism to be deemed to have been worth it, and rise to the level of "the end justifies the means" (look at leftists aspiring to Machiavellian standards which they pretend to abhor), the covid vax would have had to have worked extremely well. Covid deaths went up by 30%, that's obviously not "worked very well". 

Do you think that the covid jabs worked very well? Were we looking for a massive increase in hospitalizations and a 30% increase in deaths? Tell me User... Make your f'ing point. Say something challenging and specific, not generic, snotty and vague. 

2) The example from India was not "debunked", it was "ignored". The success was explained away by the "correlation isn't causation" argument, but now even the NiH says that ivermectin works, so the causation is now proven. 

3) Tell me now whether or not you think that the NiH said that ivermectin works against covid... 

4) Tell me now, at what stage of the covid saga did the NiH say that ivermectin was shown to have been working against covid...? 

[User]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Get a life, User. Stop making generic accusations that you can't back up.

What was the generic accusation?

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

There are NO covid claims that I made which I ran away from, liar. 

Sigh... sure. 

Here is one example of a thread where you never responded and ran away:
 

 

[John Stone]

7 hours ago, User said:

What was the generic accusation?

Sigh... sure. 

Here is one example of a thread where you never responded and ran away:
 

 

 

at the risk of sounding xenophobic .............Trudeau the JUNIOR welcomed 490K residents in 2024 and had designs for 500K in 2025? Taking into account that Canada's health infrastructure is strained (??) was this a smart move? Probably not. Doubtful if anyone recalls the so-called 'Spanish Flu - circa 1918) but it was transmitted by returning WWI vets. Same  situation here? In any case, believe it or not, as bad as it is, there's worse than measles in the World - far worse. 

 

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government aims to welcome 465,000 permanent residents next year, 485,000 in 2024 and 500,000 in 2025, according to Immigration Minister Sean Fraser. The numbers for 2023 and 2024, announced Tuesday in Toronto, were raised from earlier estimates of 447,055 and 485,000, respectively.

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, User said:

What was the generic accusation?

That I run away from pseudovax claims that I have made. 

Nothing that I said about the pseudovax failure has ever even been challenged, aside from by generic, pointless accusations like you just made there.

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 Sigh... sure. 

Here is one example of a thread where you never responded and ran away:
 

 

Can you find the claim that you think I ran away from? That thread has dozens of pages.

FYI that thread was tucked away in a corner of the forum that I never go to. Sometimes I forgot about that thread for months at a time. It went on for years, dude. 

That thread is full of accurate, very pertinent information that you will never see on CBC. 

 

Now, back to the main thrust of our debate, User. Which one of these things was a win for the vax?

1. Do you understand that covid deaths were 30% higher in 2022 (which we started with 85% of Canadians vaxed) than in 2021, and 24% higher than 2020? 
2. Do you understand that over 85% of the Canadians who died of covid in 2022 were vaxed more than once? 
3. Do you understand that hospitalizations were several times higher in 2022 than the other years?
4. Do you understand that healthy young adults and children did not need a vaccine to fight off covid? No one has ever provided any stats or data on why they should be vaxed, but we forced the adults to do it. Then infections hit an insane peak in 2022 - obviously the jabs did nothing to slow the spread. 
5. Do you understand that the NiH article I posted for you shows that "at the beginning of the covid pandemic, ivermectin trials were already showing that it was working against covid"? 
6. Do you understand that the NiH article I posted for you says that "subsequent ivermectin trials showed that even at regular doses, ivermectin was effective against covid"? 
7. Do you understand the difference in cost between using ivermectin and using the pseudovax? 
8. Do you understand the difference in the level of the safety of ivermectin and the pseudovax? Ivermectin was around for decades.
9. Do you remember just how adamant the medical communities were that ivermectin was just horse-dewormer, and that it had no chance of working? 
10. Do you remember how much covid coverage there was in 2020 when only 15,000 Canadians died of covid, and how little coverage there was in 2022 when over 19,000 Canadians died of covid, and the vast majority were dbl-, triple- and even quadruple-vaxed?  

Your whole shtick is that you can't acknowledge a single one of those truths, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are easily a dozen more points that I could put in there, showing just how f'd up and twisted the entire covid narrative was. I didn't even mention Fauci's culpability in creating the virus, his lie about the likelihood of the pangolin story, people getting banned from TNI-conspirators' platforms for talking about the BSL4 lab, the litany of vax promises that turned into BS and the lies about the jabs' safety and efficacy after we already knew that they were not living up to the hype, etc, and those are big stories.

All that pseudovax apologists have to counter all of the above FACTS is "back-door lab tests done by people who reaped massive profits from the pseudovax campaign proved that the jabs worked". That's it. It is a 100% certainty that IN CANADA THE JABS WERE AN ABSOLUTE FAILURE, AND VAX-FASCISM TURNED OUT TO BE ENTIRELY UNWARRANTED. 

 

Where we stand right now is YOU CAN'T ACKNOWLEDGE ANY OF THE THINGS I TOLD YOU, WHICH ARE ALL EASILY VERIFIABLE FACTS, AND ARE CENTRAL TO OUR CONVERSATION. YOU CAN'T REFUTE ANY OF THEM. You just want to refer to ghost allegations of me "running away from statements I made earlier", and you want to keep me replying to your chincy, generic accusations. F-off. Answer to those TEN, SPECIFIC bullet points. 

[John Stone]

[Goddess]

AN INCONVENIENT STUDY (2025) WITH DEL BIGTREE

[WestCanMan]

Here's an old article that attempted to debunk the ivermectin success in Uttar Pradesh:

https://science.feedback.org/review/no-evidence-suggests-a-causal-link-between-ivermectin-recommendation-and-the-decline-of-covid-19-cases-in-the-indian-state-of-uttar-pradesh/

• After a second devastating COVID-19 wave, India experienced a sharp decline in the number of COVID-19 cases in many regions, some of them promoting ivermectin use. However, no evidence suggests that ivermectin recommendations are behind the drop in COVID-19 cases. Instead, this decline likely results from a high level of immunity among the population due to previous infections and COVID-19 vaccines, combined with control measures such as lockdowns. Public health agencies, including the Indian Council of Medical Research, discourage ivermectin use to treat COVID-19, due to the lack of evidence supporting its efficacy for preventing or treating COVID-19.

Pure propaganda:

• "no evidence"... NiH says there's evidence that ivermectin works
• "high lvl of immunity due to previous infections" - something that vax-cultists REFUSED to acknowledge in 2021 when they were considering implementing vax-fascism
• lockdowns didn't work here, obviously, or "two weeks to flatten the curve" would have been 2 yrs shorter, so why do they attribute such remarkable success to something that vax-cultists previously dismissed
• the success of ivermectin came when less than 2% of UP was jabbed, and having 85% of Canadians jabbed resulted in no decline in covid infections, hospitalizations or deaths whatsoever...

So, at the end of the day, vax-cultists have to find reasons to 1) ignore ivermectin's success while 2) also finding excuses for the vaccines' blatant failures.

[Goddess]

Bing Videos

 

DTP vaccine at about 9 minutes in.

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, Goddess said:

AN INCONVENIENT STUDY (2025) WITH DEL BIGTREE

While it's important to do the math, and consider how many more children would likely be injured if we didn't have these vaccines at all, it's also important to be up front about the dangers associated with these vaccines. Or to do some really deep soul-searching and figure out if there's maybe a better way fwd than just vaccinating everyone, all the time. 

I'm thankful that my child has the protection of vaccines, but I also can't help but look at that video and think "there, but for the grace of God, go I". It's ridiculous that so many injured children's tragedies go unrecognized. 

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

 

[taxme]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Thanks to our own Canadian Fauci, the NDP Bonnie the commie Henry, she forced me to take the covid puss vaccine that i did not want to take and was never going to take. And all was good until i wanted to go visit my wife in a care home residence after she developed the dreaded Alzheimer's disease. I was told at the time that i would not be allowed to visit her in person if i did not have taken the two covid puss required jabs. I would not be allowed in the care home residence. I would only be allowed to see and talk to my wife in front of the care home residents window outside the residence. 

That lying WEF globalist democrat Fauci and that WEF globalist lying NDP Henry should both have been arrested and charged already with crimes against humanity and then jailed for life for what they did to we the sheeple. 

Senile dumb Bidumb gave Fauci a pardon before he left the presidency(WHY)from ever being charged for the crime of his pushing and forcing the covid vaccine on we the innocent sheeple who did not want to take the covid jab. That pardon now has proven that covid was one big Fauci and Henry farce and they knew all along that they were lying about the covid lie to we the sheeple. Not one person to this day has been thrown in the gulag for what they did with their lying about covid. But instead, they all got rich from the covid lie and hoax. And all of our three levels of government went along with the lie about covid. It all just shows the contempt and the hatred that our politicians have for us. 👎

[Political Smash]

No it’s congratulations to globalist low life scum because the fact remains that the crap they handed out during Covid wasn’t even a vaccine to begin with, it was a scam.

 Sept. 10 2021 the Center for Disease Control removed the definition of vaccine and replaced it with their rubbish to scam us all. Since, once credible dictionaries followed suit because globalist scum obviously bribed or blackmailed etc. them to do it. All shareholders to make a killing during Covid without being held accountable.

 

then we got sickly twisted individuals like fever beaver posting rubbish like the OP of this thread which reveals that they are way too retarded to even know that to be an anti vaxxer, there first has to be an actual vaccine involved.

 

the op here is just gas lighting.

Edited November 18, 2025 by Political Smash

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, Political Smash said:

No it’s congratulations to globalist low life scum because the fact remains that the crap they handed out during Covid wasn’t even a vaccine to begin with, it was a scam.

 Sept. 10 2021 the Center for Disease Control removed the definition of vaccine and replaced it with their rubbish to scam us all. Since, once credible dictionaries followed suit because globalist scum obviously bribed or blackmailed etc. them to do it. All shareholders to make a killing during Covid without being held accountable.

 

then we got sickly twisted individuals like fever beaver posting rubbish like the OP of this thread which reveals that they are way too retarded to even know that to be an anti vaxxer, there first has to be an actual vaccine involved.

 

the op here is just gas lighting.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-976069264061

• Massie shared an image containing three definitions for the word “vaccination” with his 326,000 followers on Sunday. One was labeled “pre-2015” and described vaccination as: “Injection of a killed or weakened infectious organism in order to prevent disease.” Another was dated 2015-2021 and said: “The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” The third was from September 2021, calling vaccination: “The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.”

• Massie added the caption: “The vaccine that redefined vaccination,” and in a follow-up tweet stated that he made the image by compiling definitions from the CDC’s website, “using wayback machine to find copies of their old websites.”

  The claim has previously spread online from other sources, with the false suggestion that the definition changes prove the vaccines don’t work.

• The AP was able to verify through web archives that the language on a CDC page titled “Immunization Basics,” has changed in these ways over time. But this does not mean that the agency altered it because of problems with the coronavirus vaccines.

You're correct.

The definition of the word vaccine was changed by the CDC in September 2021 to make room for a substance that merely "produces protection". Produces protection replaced the stronger terminology which was previously used for much more effective vaccines, stating that they "prevented disease", or "produced immunity". 

The watered-down version of the word vaccine that they used covers "a marginal increase in your body's ability to fight a disease", which is the best that they can say about the pseudovax.

Edited November 18, 2025 by WestCanMan