Congrats anti-vaxers: Canada officially loses its measles elimination status

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You underscored, highlighted and bolded the line between normal anti-vaxxers and the real crackpots.

And you've apparently grown in numbers. That's why Canada lost its measles elimination status.

I noticed a story recently about our government forming a committee to study and understand how our public and consumer safety could be compromised by things like US defunding the CDC, research and science in general and of course the promotion of loons like RFK jr to such a position of such influence and power.

They might want to keep an eye on Alberta.

If you’re worried about measles you should get vaccinated.

[Shady]

18 hours ago, User said:

Here you go again, not understanding basic concepts about statistics or logic.

Measles is not impacting people at scale because the vast majority of folks are still vaccinated and are not getting it or spreading it. 

There are over a hundred thousand deaths a year from Measles around the world, and they were not all plagued by serious health issues. 

These are basic facts. 

Not only because people are vaccinated, but also because measles is not something serious.  Over a hundred thousand deaths around the world each year?  That’s nothing.  The flu kills 4 times that many globally each year.  Doesn’t mean I’m getting a flu vaccine anytime soon.  Perhaps when I get much older.  But it’s not a necessity right now.  For you maybe it is.  You do you, and leave me alone.  My body my choice, remember?

[User]

20 minutes ago, Shady said:

Not only because people are vaccinated, but also because measles is not something serious.  Over a hundred thousand deaths around the world each year?  That’s nothing.  The flu kills 4 times that many globally each year.  Doesn’t mean I’m getting a flu vaccine anytime soon.  Perhaps when I get much older.  But it’s not a necessity right now.  For you maybe it is.  You do you, and leave me alone.  My body my choice, remember?

Again... you refuse to discuss this honestly. It is not about the total number of deaths; it is about the total number of deaths compared to infections to show how harmful something is. This was also a point made in response to your flippant assertions that no one is dying from Measles unless they have serious health issues. 

I have also already addressed your further dishonest cries to be left alone, as if you are only caring about yourself. 

Again, you are proselytizing your anti-vax fear mongering nuttery to the world. When you do, I will call you out for it here. 

 

26 minutes ago, Shady said:

If you’re worried about measles you should get vaccinated.

If you are worried about drunk driving, you should not drink and drive. 

Seriously, this is the stupidity of your comment. 

 

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, User said:

Again... you refuse to discuss this honestly. It is not about the total number of deaths; it is about the total number of deaths compared to infections to show how harmful something is. This was also a point made in response to your flippant assertions that no one is dying from Measles unless they have serious health issues. 

I have also already addressed your further dishonest cries to be left alone, as if you are only caring about yourself. 

Again, you are proselytizing your anti-vax fear mongering nuttery to the world. When you do, I will call you out for it here. 

 

If you are worried about drunk driving, you should not drink and drive. 

Seriously, this is the stupidity of your comment. 

 

TBH, my understanding of measles is that it's only really serious for children that are too young to get the vaccine for it anyways. 

AFAIK, the best reason for getting your kids vaccinated for measles is so that your older kids don't bring it home and get a newborn sick with it. 

That being said, I didn't honestly put much thought into my child's vaccine schedule. I just went and got the shots that my Dr told me to get for him, and I would do it again, even in the current climate of mistrust.

[User]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

TBH, my understanding of measles is that it's only really serious for children that are too young to get the vaccine for it anyways. 

So, screw the children?

Also, your understanding is not accurate.

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

AFAIK, the best reason for getting your kids vaccinated for measles is so that your older kids don't bring it home and get a newborn sick with it. 

Again, measles vaccines are not a magic shield. They have a 97% effective rate after your FULL vaccination schedule. You want herd immunity in a society so Measles is eradicated, and then that 3% margin is meaningless. 

 

[eyeball]

14 hours ago, Shady said:

If you’re worried about measles you should get vaccinated.

I'm more concerned about crackpots who help the spread of disease by word of mouth.

14 hours ago, Shady said:

My body my choice, remember?

Sure, just keep it at home if it's unvaccinated or diseased. It's our society and the vast majority of it has decided this the best choice.

Please get with the program, it's really not that hard or even a big deal. A few days off at work and maybe a little jab from time to time. 

[Shady]

13 hours ago, User said:

If you are worried about drunk driving, you should not drink and drive. 

There's no reason to continue to discuss this with you, because this has to be the dumbest analogy I've ever seen.  It doesn't make any sense at all.  Look, the measles vaccine is very effective, and safe.  If you're worried about measles, get vaccinated to protect yourself.  But you have no right to force other people to take medicine they don't want to take, or don't require, just to make you safer.  No right at at all.  Get vaccinated for measles if you're that worried about it, and you will be significantly protected.  Why?  Because the vaccine is very effective, and doesn't require somebody else to have it to be very effective.

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm more concerned about crackpots who help the spread of disease by word of mouth.

Sure, just keep it at home if it's unvaccinated or diseased. It's our society and the vast majority of it has decided this the best choice.

Please get with the program, it's really not that hard or even a big deal. A few days off at work and maybe a little jab from time to time. 

You fascists can be concerned all you want.  But you have no right to insist people take medicine they don't want to take, or don't need to take.  Get yourself vaccinated and you'll be significantly protected, because the vaccine is very effective.  There's no program to get with.  It may not be a big deal to you, but it may be to somebody else.  It's subjective.  Regardless you don't have a right to force people to get vaccinated.  Just like I don't have a right to demand your fat ass starts eating healthy and goes to the gym.

[User]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

14 hours ago, User said:

 

There's no reason to continue to discuss this with you, because this has to be the dumbest analogy I've ever seen.

That was the point. It is dumb, because what you said was dumb.

I was highlighting that.

5 minutes ago, Shady said:

Look, the measles vaccine is very effective, and safe.  If you're worried about measles, get vaccinated to protect yourself.  But you have no right to force other people to take medicine they don't want to take, or don't require, just to make you safer.

Where did I say anything about force?

I did not.

my goal is to educate people on why they should and not listen to people like you.

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

Get vaccinated for measles if you're that worried about it, and you will be significantly protected.  Why?  Because the vaccine is very effective, and doesn't require somebody else to have it to be very effective.

I’ve already addressed this ignorance of yours before. Herd immunity. 
 

 

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, User said:

That was the point. It is dumb, because what you said was dumb.

I was highlighting that.

Where did I say anything about force?

I did not.

my goal is to educate people on why they should and not listen to people like you.

I’ve already addressed this ignorance of yours before. Herd immunity. 
 

 

No, what I said was perfectly logical.  You're not making any sense now.  If you're worried about measles, get vaccinated.  If you're worried about the flu this winter, get the flu shot.  They are very effective vaccines.  Especially the measles vaccine.

Educate away.  But you're still significantly protected being vaccinated without herd immunity.

[User]

Just now, Shady said:

5 minutes ago, User said:

No, what I said was perfectly logical

No, it wasn’t. Because being “worried” about Measles can be more than only caring about yourself in the same way you think it is wrong that some other family in a minivan was killed by a drunk driver and only caring about yourself doesn’t help them.

Being “worried” about Measles for yourself isn’t magically fixed by only vaccinating yourself, because the true effectiveness of a vaccine strategy is with herd immunity so that the disease is eradicated and no threat, because being vaccinated still isn’t a 100% magic shield.

So, the stupidity of your insistence that you only need worry about yourself if you worry about Measles is just as dumb as telling someone to not drink and drive if they are worried about drunk drivers.

 

 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Shady said:

You fascists can be concerned all you want.  But you have no right to insist people take medicine they don't want to take, or don't need to take. 

Sure, but society can still take measures to protect itself from people who choose not too. By telling you to stay home when you're sick or choose occupations that don't require vaccination, or stay out of Canada if you choose.

If they don't need these things they can get a doctor's note.

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

There's no program to get with.  It may not be a big deal to you, but it may be to somebody else.  It's subjective. 

We definitely need an ongoing public education effort to make it more objective.

8 minutes ago, Shady said:

Just like I don't have a right to demand your fat ass starts eating healthy and goes to the gym.

You certainly have the right to ask society to help encourage people to make this choice.

What about consumer safety? surely there's something we could be doing to ensure there's less unhealthy food available.

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, User said:

No, it wasn’t. Because being “worried” about Measles can be more than only caring about yourself in the same way you think it is wrong that some other family in a minivan was killed by a drunk driver and only caring about yourself doesn’t help them.

Being “worried” about Measles for yourself isn’t magically fixed by only vaccinating yourself, because the true effectiveness of a vaccine strategy is with herd immunity so that the disease is eradicated and no threat, because being vaccinated still isn’t a 100% magic shield.

So, the stupidity of your insistence that you only need worry about yourself if you worry about Measles is just as dumb as telling someone to not drink and drive if they are worried about drunk drivers.

 

 

In reality you don't even need to be worried about measles at all, because it's generally not serious.  If you're afraid of it being serious, get vaccinated.  But I'm not taking medicine that I don't need, just because you want to feel safer.  Just like I'm not advocating for you to start eating healthier and start going to the gym.  Doing that, and taking things like zinc, vitamin d, etc are much better, and much better for you than an vaccine.

[Shady]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure, but society can still take measures to protect itself from people who choose not too. By telling you to stay home when you're sick or choose occupations that don't require vaccination, or stay out of Canada if you choose.

If they don't need these things they can get a doctor's note.

We definitely need an ongoing public education effort to make it more objective.

You certainly have the right to ask society to help encourage people to make this choice.

What about consumer safety? surely there's something we could be doing to ensure there's less unhealthy food available.

I can stay in Canada all I want, because I have as much of a right as you do.  Educate all you want, just realize you have to right to demand other people take medicine they don't want or don't need.  Consumer safety?  Sure.  But that doesn't require me to be mandated to do anything.

[User]

Just now, Shady said:

5 minutes ago, User said:

In reality you don't even need to be worried about measles at all, because it's generally not serious. 

You just keep making the same ignorant assertion and ignoring my repeated responses about how you are wrong.

1 minute ago, Shady said:

If you're afraid of it being serious, get vaccinated.  But I'm not taking medicine that I don't need, just because you want to feel safer. 

You can’t engage on facts with substance, so you turn to emotional arguments like this.

1 minute ago, Shady said:

Just like I'm not advocating for you to start eating healthier and start going to the gym.

Why not? If this were a discussion on living healthy, these are good things and factual recommendations based on sound science and reason.

Imagine if I were telling you to eat whatever you want and be as fat as you want because those things are not very serious.

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

Doing that, and taking things like zinc, vitamin d, etc are much better, and much better for you than a vaccine.

It isn’t an either / or. They are both good for you.

Vaccines help train your immune system to fight off disease, being healthy does too, but not to the same degree at all.

You can be in perfect health, it doesn’t make your immune system somehow impervious to disease.

You have a fundamental level of ignorance or willful dishonesty here regarding vaccines and how the immune system works. 

[Shady]

20 minutes ago, User said:

You just keep making the same ignorant assertion and ignoring my repeated responses about how you are wrong.

You can’t engage on facts with substance, so you turn to emotional arguments like this.

Why not? If this were a discussion on living healthy, these are good things and factual recommendations based on sound science and reason.

Imagine if I were telling you to eat whatever you want and be as fat as you want because those things are not very serious.

It isn’t an either / or. They are both good for you.

Vaccines help train your immune system to fight off disease, being healthy does too, but not to the same degree at all.

You can be in perfect health, it doesn’t make your immune system somehow impervious to disease.

You have a fundamental level of ignorance or willful dishonesty here regarding vaccines and how the immune system works. 

No I'm not wrong.  You should watch the Brady Bunch episode they did of the measles.  I don't think there's any point in continuing the discussion, we can agree to disagree.  I've already had the measles, so I'm definitely not getting the measles vaccine.

[eyeball]

31 minutes ago, Shady said:

I can stay in Canada all I want, because I have as much of a right as you do. 

I meant if you're entering Canada. We mandate several things you need to be vaccinated for. Would you allow immigrants in when they say my body my choice?

36 minutes ago, Shady said:

Educate all you want, just realize you have to right to demand other people take medicine they don't want or don't need.

I do realize that. Do you realize society has a right and an obligation to protect itself from people who refuse to take medicine they do need?

39 minutes ago, Shady said:

Consumer safety?  Sure.  But that doesn't require me to be mandated to do anything.

No, it would be public safety that requires that on occasion.

[User]

36 minutes ago, Shady said:

No I'm not wrong. 

This is the equivalent of a child hiding under the covers saying you can’t see them. 
 

37 minutes ago, Shady said:

You should watch the Brady Bunch episode they did of the measles.

LOL, so now a TV show from 50 years ago is your big argument?

Yeah, folks are well aware of this anti-vax nonsense:

Here’s the Story, of a Deadly Virus: When The Brady Bunch Rewrites Measles History

The Weaponization of Pop Culture Nostalgia
https://medium.com/@jsteier_29203/heres-the-story-of-a-deadly-virus-when-the-brady-bunch-rewrites-measles-history-70f444ec8b6e

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“In terms of frequency, measles is the number one disease of childhood and it is far from harmless. It renders its victims highly susceptible to other infections.”

The article goes on to detail that “the most dreaded complication is encephalitis, an inflammation of the brain and the spinal cord that may lead to permanent damage.” It reports that in 1958, there were 552 deaths in the United States caused by measles, compared with 255 deaths from polio. In 1960, there were 410 deaths from measles, compared with 260 deaths from polio.

These stark statistics from the actual historical record directly contradict the narrative that measles was universally considered a benign childhood illness in the 1960s. Medical professionals of that era clearly recognized its dangers.”

41 minutes ago, Shady said:

I don't think there's any point in continuing the discussion, we can agree to disagree.

Translation:

You can’t engage in logical discussion based on facts and sound reasoning so you are going to take your ball and go home!

42 minutes ago, Shady said:

I've already had the measles, so I'm definitely not getting the measles vaccine.

Don’t pretend and lie about how harmful it can be to others, downplaying the disease, if they get it or be ignorant about the side effects of Measles on your immune system.

Getting the vaccine is a simple, safe, cheap way to help prevent yourself from ever getting Measles to begin with. 

[WestCanMan]

On 11/13/2025 at 7:50 PM, User said:

So, screw the children?

That's a weird take.  I never said that I wanted anyone to get hurt.

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Again, measles vaccines are not a magic shield. They have a 97% effective rate after your FULL vaccination schedule.

That's pretty much a magic shield. 

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You want herd immunity in a society so Measles is eradicated, and then that 3% margin is meaningless. 

That has always been true, but it's beside the point that any reasonable human has lot their trust in our medical community.

You'd have to be an absolute id10t to trust the CDC, NiH, and the Canadian government after all the things that they said and did during covid.  

[User]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's a weird take.  I never said that I wanted anyone to get hurt.

No, you flippantly dismissed them.

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's pretty much a magic shield. 

"pretty much" is a big qualifier here

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That has always been true, but it's beside the point that any reasonable human has lot their trust in our medical community.

You'd have to be an absolute id10t to trust the CDC, NiH, and the Canadian government after all the things that they said and did during covid.  

The science is based on more than their claims, and I am not arguing that you must blindly trust what they say. 

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's pretty much a magic shield. 

Like the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine  which was around 95% effective against symptomatic infection and near-complete protection from severe illness.

50 minutes ago, User said:

The science is based on more than their claims, and I am not arguing that you must blindly trust what they say. 

He says he was promised 100% effectiveness though and that definitely would have been pretty magical.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, User said:

No, you flippantly dismissed them.

You're tilting at windmills, user. 

I never flippantly dismissed any misfortunes that happened to anyone.

1) the time between birth and two years old is a scary time for everyone, because babies can't be vaccinated

2) measles isn't as dangerous for kids as it is for babies, that's just a fact. I'd argue that having your 6-yr-olds vaxed is more beneficial for your babies than it is for them. 

If I'm wrong about that, then I'm obviously not alone. Go tell the medical professionals at Stanford that they're wrong.

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"pretty much" is a big qualifier here

So what? It's accurate. The measles vaccine is pretty damned close to being a magic shield, and that's why people use it. It massively decreases the chance that your child dying from measles or suffering life-altering side effects. 

But IT'S A VACCINE. That's what VACCINES have always done. 

Big Pharma, Fauci, and the Canadian Gov't just took the word vaccine and used it to print money during covid. FYI the covid shot was absolutely not a VACCINE by the standards that we have all come to know and understand, any more than Vitamin D injections would be considered vaccinations. "Thanks to your dose of the vitamin D vaccine you're less likely to get cancer. Therefor it's a cancer vaccine!"

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The science is based on more than their claims, and I am not arguing that you must blindly trust what they say. 

"Science" 🤣

The "science" that you're citing was never anything more than a pack of lies. 

• It was a lie to say that HCQ had no chance at all of ever working and Dr Dider Raoult was a fool for ever thinking it might
• it was a fabrication to pretend that there was definitely going to be a vaccine for covid and that we knew in advance it would be 100% safe and effective
• it was a lie to promote the message that vaccines were our only hope of beating covid
• it was a lie to say that the vaccine was safe and that it was working as advertised in 2021 (when it was known to be harming and even killing people)
• it was a total fabrication to promote the message that children and healthy young adults somehow needed a jab or that taking it would prevent the spread of covid
• it was a lie to say that covid almost certainly came to humans through an intermediary species
• even in 2022 we were still being lied to over and over and over again about the efficacy and safety of the pseudovax
• when our MSM ignored the fact that covid deaths in 2022 were substantially higher than in previous years, that was a case of lying by omission is lying. Cases and hospitalizations were up as well
• our MSM also chose to hide from you the fact that the vast majority of covid deaths in 2022 (more than 85%) were among the multi-vaxed, and that's almost as big of a lie as Fauci's own whopper about the pangolin
• not only were we lied to constantly, people were banned from FB, Twitter, etc for telling the truth about things like the BSL4 lab in Wuhan. The TRUTH was banned here, user. 
• our CBC is openly a part of the "Trusted News Initiative', aka the Goebbels News Network, along with the people at FB, Twitter ,etc, that banned the truth about the BSL4 lab. They also banned the truth about the Hunter laptop, even to the extent of kicking the NYPost off of social media. This isn't just a case of "tens of thousands of people just being stupid and wrong 100% of the time for years on end". It wasn't science or mistaken science. It was lying and manipulation on a scale that would have made Goebbels blush. 

FYI when 'scientists' say things that they know to be untrue (because even I knew them to be untrue), that is not science. That is not even bad science. That is just lies. They pissed on your face and told you it was raining, and now you're trying to tell me it was rain when I knew it was pi55 all along. 

Of course I have lost trust in those people. I KNOW THEY'RE F'ING LIARS. If you run into a Dr that tells you the truth, consider yourself lucky. If you buy some pills and they actually do what they're supposed to, consider yourself lucky. But "trusting the science" isn't a thing anymore for intelligent people. 

I hate to say that I trust Joe Rogan more than I trust the Canadian gov't and our medical community, but I'd rather listen to Rogan be occasionally wrong than listen someone that is definitely lying all the time. 

Edited November 15, 2025 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

46 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Like the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine  which was around 95% effective against symptomatic infection and near-complete protection from severe illness.

🤣

Holy cultist dipshits, Batman. 

There is no actual math on earth that supports your ridiculous claim. 

How did 85% of the covid deaths in 2022 come from the multi-vaxed if it was "95% effective against BS BS BS blahblahblah..."? Did the multi-vaxed just get infected 100x as often as the unvaxed?

Would you like to see Health Canada's own stats again, showing that over 85% of covid deaths were coming from the ranks of the multi-vaxed?  

That's a fact, bunker-boy. Sorry but your "95% effective" rubbish is as desperate & pathetic as it is stupid. 

[eyeball]

 

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There is no actual math on earth that supports your ridiculous claim. 

There's the New England Journal of Medicine.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2510226#:~:text=In 2020%2C the rapid development,complete protection from severe disease

They go as far as calling the development  of COVID vaccine one of the most remarkable scientific feats in recent history.

I recall being told it could take 5 years to develop a vaccine.

Good thing they lied less and delivered more, they'd just be finishing the first roll out if they hadn't.

Edited November 15, 2025 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 

There's the New England Journal of Medicine.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2510226#:~:text=In 2020%2C the rapid development,complete protection from severe disease

They go as far as calling the development  of COVID vaccine one of the most remarkable scientific feats in recent history.

I recall being told it could take 5 years to develop a vaccine.

Good thing they lied less and delivered more, they'd just be finishing the first roll out if they hadn't.

The NEJoM also had to retract a fake study that they did about HCQ. 

All that the NEJoM ever did, right from the beginning of covid until the end, was pimp the pseudovax and ignore/discredit everything and everyone else. 

You might as well post Trudeau's own biography as proof of his greatness and Harper's failure.