G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada, in Another Hit to a Key Industry

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What? I provide my guests who show up with an EV an ordinary outdoor outlet I installed when I built my place 40 years ago. How hard can it be?

first  i will admit that's pretty impressive tech for a tree fort  

Second, can your outlet charge their car from empty to full in 2 minutes? No? Not as good as an ice.  

How hard is that?

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Second, can your outlet charge their car from empty to full in 2 minutes? No? Not as good as an ice.  

How hard is that?

How expensive you mean. The outlet I installed probably cost $5. To service a guest with an ICE would require tens of thousands of dollars if not hundreds considering things like rezoning, permits, regulations etc etc for installing fuel storage tanks and pumps.

My last guests figured they used about $5 buck worth of electricity to recharge their EV.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How expensive you mean. ty to recharge their EV.

I never used the word expensive. I asked how fast. 

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The outlet I installed probably cost $5.

Well then saving up your allowance really paid off didn't it     But nobody cares.  I asked how fast. 

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To service a guest with an ICE would require tens of thousands of dollars if not hundreds considering things like rezoning, permits, regulations etc etc for installing fuel storage tanks and pumps.

A gas can costs about 5 bucks. You're a twat. 

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My last guests figured they used about $5 buck worth of electrici

Was it electricity to power their cell phone to call their therapist after spending time with you?   

[bush_cheney2004]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Which is bad for sure. But it often happens that one industry declines over time. Usually however other Industries pop up to take its place, and that really hasn't happened here. Ontario's economy is severely impacted by this industry and seeing in nose dive like this is going to have a majorly negative effect far outside of the jobs that are lost.

 

 

True, but Ontario could benefit from more east-west provincial trade, pipelines, rail, and the removal of barriers to closer integration with western provinces.   Canada is fighting an internal struggle that is heightened whenever an American administration decides to implement protectionist policies, but it is a longstanding issue.

The auto sector and tariffs led to the Auto Pact over 60 years ago, so such issues are hardly new.   North-south trade has always been easier with the "damn Americans" (autos, energy, softwood lumber, etc.) because of market size and capital investment, but also at great cost to a more unified Canada.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

True, but Ontario could benefit from more east-west provincial trade, pipelines, rail, and the removal of barriers to closer integration with western provinces.   Canada is fighting an internal struggle that is heightened whenever an American administration decides to implement protectionist policies, but it is a longstanding issue.

The auto sector and tariffs led to the Auto Pact over 60 years ago, so such issues are hardly new.   North-south trade has always been easier with the "damn Americans" (autos, energy, softwood lumber, etc.) because of market size and capital investment, but also at great cost to a more unified Canada.

You're 100 percent correct of course,  and while many gov'ts have talked about improving trade inside canada it gets abandoned quickly (including by carney)

[eyeball]

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I never used the word expensive. I asked how fast. 

It just doesn't matter, my guests arel on vacation, they have all the time in the world.

54 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

A gas can costs about 5 bucks. You're a twat. 

Yes, and we have one of those too. Shrug...you're an ass-hole.

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Was it electricity to power their cell phone to call their therapist after spending time with you? 

To plug their car in a couple of times. Try to keep up. They probably consumed more electricity using the hot tub.

[taxme]

12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The impact of recent auto plant decisions by GM and Stellantis on Ontario looms larger because that industry has been decimated so much already over the past two decades. 

IMHO, Canada is dead. The good old Canada is gone and now Canada is being run and ruined by a bunch of sick and pathetic WEF globalists and their shills, like Carnage, who's only now aim is to destroy Canada and all of it's industries and turn Canada into a WEF communist globalist multicultural 3rd world hell hole country where the globalists will run Canada and destroy all of our rights and freedom forever

This is why Alberta or all of Western Canada needs to separate from the globalist communists in the east who have been stealing hundreds of billions of our tax dollars for decades now and have blown all of those tax dollars to help keep the eastern commies alive. 

If that does not work then i am all in with the west joining America, or at least Alberta joining America the land of the free and home of the brave. Where freedom of speech has been restored thanks to Trump becoming the President of America, where here the imbeciles in Canada went and voted in another globalist communist traitor to Canada. You are so lucky to be an American rather than be a Canadian. 

Canada may just have to be liberated by Trump and take us in to America in order to save our freedoms and rights that we have lost in the past ten years of lieberal communism. 

God bless America. 👍

[bush_cheney2004]

47 minutes ago, taxme said:

...If that does not work then i am all in with the west joining America, or at least Alberta joining America the land of the free and home of the brave. Where freedom of speech has been restored thanks to Trump becoming the President of America, where here the imbeciles in Canada went and voted in another globalist communist traitor to Canada. You are so lucky to be an American rather than be a Canadian. 

 

Canada is still in a very good position, having only to stop the internecine fighting between provinces and groups.  The decisions should and can be made by Canadians for Canadians instead of just reactions to outside forces like Trump/Americans (e.g. auto plants). 

It is encouraging to see the rise in nationalist fervor in response to Trump's policies, but is only meaningful if a unified set of actions and strategy come out of the conflict(s).   

America has its own issues and problems that Canadians don't need on top of their own domestic and foreign policy challenges.    Losing only Quebec was a real possibility back in the 90's with grudging acceptance...such a thing is probably not survivable if the western provinces walk away from confederation.  The Americans fought a bloody war over such ideas...Canada won't.

[taxme]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada is still in a very good position, having only to stop the internecine fighting between provinces and groups.  The decisions should and can be made by Canadians for Canadians instead of just reactions to outside forces like Trump/Americans (e.g. auto plants). 

It is encouraging to see the rise in nationalist fervor in response to Trump's policies, but is only meaningful if a unified set of actions and strategy come out of the conflict(s).   

America has its own issues and problems that Canadians don't need on top of their own domestic and foreign policy challenges.    Losing only Quebec was a real possibility back in the 90's with grudging acceptance...such a thing is probably not survivable if the western provinces walk away from confederation.  The Americans fought a bloody war over such ideas...Canada won't.

Many have wished that Quebec had separated from Canada. We would not be spending hundreds of billions of our tax dollars on the many unneeded and unwanted communist multicultural and bilingual programs and agendas that the rest of English speaking Canada had to live with. 

It may come to where western Canadians, especially in Alberta, may have to fight a bloody like war if Alberta is ready to  separate from the the eastern communist batards that have destroyed this once great country we called Canada and they try and stop Alberta from separating. And we all should know that the Marxist WEF globalists in Ottawa will be out here fighting like hell to be able to hang on to their cash cow in Alberta. Without Alberta, Canada will die. No loss for me there. Canada is finished and dead and may Canada soon RIP. Go, Alberta, go. So sad, but true. 🥴

You have an American President called Trump which Canada badly needs a Trump like what you have in America. Americans got rid of Bidumb. All Canada can do and try to survive is get rid of the Marxist globalists lieberals in Ottawa once and for all. If the people in Alberta do not win their separation from Canada and Ottawa wins, then you will end up with having a communist globalist country right next door to America. Believe it or not. I do. 😇

[taxme]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I never used the word expensive. I asked how fast. 

Well then saving up your allowance really paid off didn't it     But nobody cares.  I asked how fast. 

A gas can costs about 5 bucks. You're a twat. 

Was it electricity to power their cell phone to call their therapist after spending time with you?   

I just cannot wait to see the day when there will be hundreds of millions of EV charging units everywhere on every street in in Canada. Now what such an ugly eyesore site that would turn out to be. On the street that i live on, there would be a need for at least 30 or more EV charging units to be able to plug into.

I will guess that those EV lovers never gave much of a thought about that. And that is just one street in Canada. There are probably millions of streets in Canada that will need to install millions of EV chargers. Up in the northern parts of Canada, that will be quite the project to have a few hundred thousand EV charging units up there also. 

Does anyone realize as to how much electricity will be needed to charge up all the EV'S in Canada? 

Will anyone be able to buy a can of electricity for $5 bucks by chance. Just wondering. LOL. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

It just doesn't matter,

Of course it matters .  First off i guarantee anyone visiting you will want to be ready to leave at a moments notice, and secondly ice is still better. 

And obviously that applies wherever else they have to go as well. 

Wah wah waaaaaaah, swing and a miss again little guy   

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yes, and we have one of those too. Shrug...you're an ass-hole.

What? You spent tens of thousands of dollars equipping your place to provide gas?!?!?! You assured me it would cost that much!   

And your stupidity making that claim is not my fualt sorry  

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

To plug their car in a couple of times.

a couple of times? Too bad they didn't have an ice engine, they wouldn't have had to think about it 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

I just cannot wait to see the day when there will be hundreds of millions of EV charging units everywhere on every street in in Canada. Now what such an ugly eyesore site that would turn out to be. On the street that i live on, there would be a need for at least 30 or more EV charging units to be able to plug into.

I will guess that those EV lovers never gave much of a thought about that. And that is just one street in Canada. There are probably millions of streets in Canada that will need to install millions of EV chargers. Up in the northern parts of Canada, that will be quite the project to have a few hundred thousand EV charging units up there also. 

Does anyone realize as to how much electricity will be needed to charge up all the EV'S in Canada? 

Will anyone be able to buy a can of electricity for $5 bucks by chance. Just wondering. LOL. 

Won't happen. Like I said the technology is not mature enough to make the switch yet for most people.

The day will probably come when we have some species of technology that allows us to move to electrified Vehicles one way or another but lithium ion batteries are just not even close to being able to replace ice for the majority of users.

Cars replace horses because they were better. Horses replaced feet because they were better. We will move to something new when something comes along that is better.  And when that happens it won't require government subsidies or any kind of nonsense it will just happen because people inherently buy things that are better

[bush_cheney2004]

10 minutes ago, taxme said:

...You have an American President called Trump which Canada badly needs a Trump like what you have in America. Americans got rid of Bidumb. All Canada can do and try to survive is get rid of the Marxist globalists lieberals in Ottawa once and for all. If the people in Alberta do not win their separation from Canada and Ottawa wins, then you will end up with having a communist globalist country right next door to America. Believe it or not. I do. 😇

 

You are correct in as much that Trump v2.0 exists because of backlash against such policies, and not just because of rampant inflation.  The challenge for Ontario/Canada is to survive (and even thrive) economically when faced with the very cure for what some perceive as a cultural disease.

The Neo Marxists actually want to see a capitalist collapse as it suits their ideological objectives.   Common sense Canadians can see this in practice, and they will recoil regardless of what the Americans are doing to mess with the economy (tariffs).

The West is in a much better position to survive and keep more for itself because of natural resources and agriculture.   Ottawa/Ontario ignore such discontent at great peril when they no longer hold the higher economic ground and political leverage.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Of course it matters .  First off i guarantee anyone visiting you will want to be ready to leave at a moments notice, and secondly ice is still better. 

People who worry about needing to do this will likely bring an ice car in that case. Otherwise they can always fly out if its a real emergency.

Meanwhile the number of guests with EVs is still up year after year.

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And obviously that applies wherever else they have to go as well. 

Yup. Yer perty smert for such a dummy. 

[cannuck]

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The West is in a much better position to survive and keep more for itself because of natural resources and agriculture.   Ottawa/Ontario ignore such discontent at great peril when they no longer hold the higher economic ground and political leverage.

Our problem is that we have a super-socialist left coast province  (mini-Kalifornication) between us and tidewater.  We are stuck in Canada by logistics.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Meanwhile the number of guests with EVs is still up year after year.

 

So you went from zero to 1?    

EV sales are down year after year as a percent of sales it seems. You literally have to pay people or they don't buy the things. 

ev-sales-drop-35-in-june-2025-as-market-awaits-federal-incentives/

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yup. Yer perty smert for such a dummy.

Beats being dumb for a smartie i guess  

[bush_cheney2004]

5 hours ago, cannuck said:

Our problem is that we have a super-socialist left coast province  (mini-Kalifornication) between us and tidewater.  We are stuck in Canada by logistics.

 

I understand that BC is a challenge, but that tide may be turning.  And it's not like BC has to completely abandon the latte cappuccino minded folk, just pull back from the brink enough to keep vested interests viable.   American crude carriers are still plying coastal water, so feel good limitations on pipelines and ships have run their course.

Even Americans know the pecking order:   the GTA is most hated, then Ontario, and God save the ROC...Rest of Canada.   BC is part of the ROC.

[herbie]

Oh Good God, everything reverts to petty politics doesn't it?
We need a Godwin's Law to cover that on this site.

A good move in the new budget is speeding up CCA write downs for business. At our peak we were writing down 4 vehicles, and 7 years later still an amount worth the paperwork.

Want to boost EV sales? Offer a new class for CCA maybe 25 or 30% and write down EVs even faster, Business will adopt them. Joe Blow will drive one at work and rethink his hater attitude. No govt cash handout, just a slightly reduce tax bill.

With the prices so high now and tariffs about to make them much higher, buying $100,000 cars, pickups and vans for commercial use barely makes any sense. Likewise much other machinery and equipment to stay competitive.
 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh Good God, everything reverts to petty politics doesn't it?

Have you seen, like, ANY of your own posts? What a pathetic comment from a pathetic partisan. 

[herbie]

Yeah one of the very few in this forum capable of understanding environmentalism, science and technology are NOT political issues unlike our WRONG WING parrots.

MOF my statements on  taxes ARE actual conservative policies.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

Yeah one of the very few in this forum capable of understanding environmentalism, science and technology are NOT political issues unlike our WRONG WING parrots.

 

LOLOL   " I don't make  it about politics, you conservative you"  

Well done  

Dude everything with you is either political or nonsensical. And it's telling that you couldn't even talk about how non-political you are without making it political   That's a special kind of stupid

[cannuck]

On 10/28/2025 at 3:37 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

The auto sector and tariffs led to the Auto Pact over 60 years ago, so such issues are hardly new.   North-south trade has always been easier with the "damn Americans" (autos, energy, softwood lumber, etc.) because of market size and capital investment, but also at great cost to a more unified Canada.

Wjhen the Auto Pact was being replaced by the Can/US FTA 90% of Can/US trade was ON/US trade, and 80% of that was cars and car parts.  The feds have always gone with the easy way out, regardless of what party was in power.  Much easier to rob resource revenue to pay for the incredible luxury of Quebec and let the yankee car companies set up shop where they had a lower level of union costs/higher productivity than worrying about how the ROC was going to survive if the chips turned down - other than hew some more wood and draw some more water (figuratively of course)

Edited October 31, 2025 by cannuck