CdnFox Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada Amid Trump Tariffs - The New York Times Our car industry is going to be gone in no time at this rate, between companies dropping unpopular electric models and others shifting production elsewhere, the industry is going to be a fragment, and that's going to make life very tough in ontario. Carney doesn't seem to have a plan for the death of the car industry. 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
paxamericana Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 (edited) Just throw in the towel already. Give Orange man what he wants, your 51st fealty Canucks. You’ve been warned, 4th world status was the alternative. Edited October 22, 2025 by paxamericana Quote
CdnFox Posted October 22, 2025 Author Report Posted October 22, 2025 6 minutes ago, paxamericana said: Just throw in the towel already. Give Orange man what he wants, your 51st fealty Canucks. You’ve been warned, 4th world status was the alternative. What do having sex in a canoe and american beer have in common? They're both F'ing pretty close to water. We could never join. We're just not the same 1 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Barquentine Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: Our car industry is going to be gone in no time at this rate Yeah, this is some serious shit. But this case is about the US abandoning EVs. Very stupid short-term thinking. Just handing more advantage over to China. I'd say, reduce or take the tariffs off Chinese EVs but get some concessions from them, like building cars or batteries here and tariffs off soybeans, etc... Then build the pipe line to the west coast to sell oil into Asia. Problem is Trump would retaliate hard and fast. And US-Canada trade will always be our most important relationship. Between a rock and a hard place. 3 Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 10 hours ago, CdnFox said: G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada Amid Trump Tariffs - The New York Times Our car industry is going to be gone in no time at this rate, between companies dropping unpopular electric models and others shifting production elsewhere, the industry is going to be a fragment, and that's going to make life very tough in ontario. Carney doesn't seem to have a plan for the death of the car industry. When was the EV industry ever a "Key Industry" in Canada??? Especially in the delivery "van" business? GM cannot sell them so, they stop building them. No surprise. Same as Stelantis Compass. They are closing the Canadian plant and moving it to the US. Thing is, the Compass is also not selling either so, the move is show business. It won't open in the US either LOL. They are just pleasing Trump. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: When was the EV industry ever a "Key Industry" in Canada??? It wasn't and isn't, despite the multi million dollar incentives from all levels of government to try and make it so. 2 Quote
paxamericana Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 2 hours ago, Barquentine said: Between a rock and a hard place. Why would you u want a boring banker from the UK to be your head of state. Who wouldn’t want a president like Trump. You’re all lucky to have such an emperor. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, Legato said: It wasn't and isn't, despite the multi million dollar incentives from all levels of government to try and make it so. Then tell confux to alter his thread title. He claimed it was a "Key Industry". LOL And yes, all levels of government have incentivized vehicle manufacturers and battery manufacturers with abject failure. Having said that, did the governments actually give the money or just promise it to them??? Edited October 22, 2025 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
herbie Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 6 hours ago, Barquentine said: But this case is about the US abandoning EVs. Very stupid short-term thinking. Are Americans capable of anything else? Took all of the 1950s to clue into VW sales and rushed out Corvairs and Falcons. Saw the Japanese and responded eventually with Pintos and Shitettes. In this case, it wasn't even GM, it was the MAGA full speed backwards abandonment of the whole idea. Why cut your costs with an EV when drill baby drill will mean gas will be 39c a gallon again soon. Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 23 minutes ago, herbie said: Are Americans capable of anything else? Took all of the 1950s to clue into VW sales and rushed out Corvairs and Falcons. Saw the Japanese and responded eventually with Pintos and Shitettes. In this case, it wasn't even GM, it was the MAGA full speed backwards abandonment of the whole idea. Why cut your costs with an EV when drill baby drill will mean gas will be 39c a gallon again soon. I think you underestimate the American automotive business in general. Yes, they made some questionable vehicles but, they sold a lot of them based on consumer demand. The imports only came to the US because there was a huge demand and the US manufacturers could not keep up. I think you underestimate the EV sales in the US. As for 39c a gallon...well, stop smokin that stuff if you think that LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Having said that, did the governments actually give the money or just promise it to them??? Don't know the answer to that. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 1 minute ago, Legato said: Don't know the answer to that. I don't either but got the impression they did not when Ford made a statement. I think, but am not sure, some got cash up front for construction, others had performance incentives if certain measures were achieved and others got tax incentives. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
herbie Posted October 22, 2025 Report Posted October 22, 2025 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I think you underestimate the American automotive business in general. Yes, they made some questionable vehicles but, they sold a lot of them based on consumer demand. The imports only came to the US because there was a huge demand and the US manufacturers could not keep up. I think you underestimate the EV sales in the US. As for 39c a gallon...well, stop smokin that stuff if you think that LOL The imports came because NASH was the only on thinking smaller and fuel efficient. The Big 3 did not even consider the market for nearly a decade. The response to Japanese was 100% financial. Fought them by building cheap cars, they thought they were only competing on price. By the time they discovered Japanes quality, they'd lost a huge market slice they've never recovered. But they do know well that when sales drop, it's time to stop. The problem to face is what can they build there that isn't gonna be kneecapped by Trump and his tariff wall. Can they ever return to building a whole line of cars for strictly the Cdn market? After decades of super factories designed to build just one model? Quote
paxamericana Posted October 23, 2025 Report Posted October 23, 2025 3 hours ago, herbie said: cars for strictly the Cdn market? No you all aged out and your population is in decline. Well that is before you all decided to import more foreigners which created a skyrocket housing bubble and potentially car though this is a much easier problem to solve by just driving across the border to buy them. With housing it's not that simple. Quote
herbie Posted October 23, 2025 Report Posted October 23, 2025 Oh thank you for your advice. As ignorant, predictable and unwanted though it may be. Maybe you should start demanding the Nobel prize for Economics. 1 Quote
herbie Posted October 23, 2025 Report Posted October 23, 2025 Hmm, I need a fleet of in town delivery vehicles. Should I spend $80K on EVs that can charge overnight for $20 when they're not being used, or $80K on ICE ones the drivers are gonna take a half hour break in the day while they yak and pump in $50 worth of gas and getting paid? And a couple of $200+ oil changes a year... Not that I'd be much of a business owner if I bought a fleet of vehicles in the first place, would I? 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted October 23, 2025 Author Report Posted October 23, 2025 17 hours ago, Barquentine said: Yeah, this is some serious shit. But this case is about the US abandoning EVs. Very stupid short-term thinking. Just handing more advantage over to China. I'd say, reduce or take the tariffs off Chinese EVs but get some concessions from them, like building cars or batteries here and tariffs off soybeans, etc... Then build the pipe line to the west coast to sell oil into Asia. Problem is Trump would retaliate hard and fast. And US-Canada trade will always be our most important relationship. Between a rock and a hard place. The liberals have left us in a very bad place. We simply don't have the cards that we used to have when it comes to trade. And Carney refused to stand up for us when he should have and now is pretty much too late. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted October 23, 2025 Author Report Posted October 23, 2025 11 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Then tell confux to alter his thread title. He claimed it was a "Key Industry". LOL Oh dear, back to cheezy little insults? I guess you know i'm right Yes, the gov't actually gave them money. Ford is talking about suing them for 'breach' as a result, but guaranteed they already factored that into their decision. Carney sold out the car industry, and the car manufactuers see the writing on the wall. They're moving or shutting down their stuff in canada regardless of the costs as a result. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
August1991 Posted October 23, 2025 Report Posted October 23, 2025 Since the 1980s, Quebec no longer makes cars. Since the 1970s, Canada doesn't make TVs, stereos. Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 23, 2025 Report Posted October 23, 2025 14 hours ago, herbie said: The imports came because NASH was the only on thinking smaller and fuel efficient. The Big 3 did not even consider the market for nearly a decade. The response to Japanese was 100% financial. Fought them by building cheap cars, they thought they were only competing on price. By the time they discovered Japanes quality, they'd lost a huge market slice they've never recovered. But they do know well that when sales drop, it's time to stop. The problem to face is what can they build there that isn't gonna be kneecapped by Trump and his tariff wall. Can they ever return to building a whole line of cars for strictly the Cdn market? After decades of super factories designed to build just one model? Nash was not the first "small" car maker. There was Crosley and even the King Midget. Nash Rambler was the one vehicle and the ill fated Metropolitan was another. But cheap gas was the reason no other decided to downsize. Then came the oil embargo and then the oil crisis was a big factor in American automotive downsizing. Then came CAFE standards. Japanese quality?? I remember Honda coming over. Zero quality, the joke was that they used Coke cans for the metal in the bodies. Japanese quality was horrible for many years. As for a Canadian market... well, we in Canada do not now or will we ever have enough of a market for manufacturers to ever set up plans exclusively for Canadians. We are too expensive to make cars. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted October 23, 2025 Report Posted October 23, 2025 (edited) 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: Oh dear, back to cheezy little insults? HA HA HA cannot stand the facts HA HA HA Poor Baby ...hurt feeling again? Here is a fact...All I said was "Then tell confux to alter his thread title. He claimed it was a "Key Industry". Fact: EV's are not a "Key Industry" in Canada. Nothing "cheezy" about that. Even your cohorts agree with that. HA HA HA Edited October 23, 2025 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
WestCanMan Posted October 23, 2025 Report Posted October 23, 2025 On 10/21/2025 at 9:44 PM, CdnFox said: G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada Amid Trump Tariffs - The New York Times Our car industry is going to be gone in no time at this rate, between companies dropping unpopular electric models and others shifting production elsewhere, the industry is going to be a fragment, and that's going to make life very tough in ontario. Carney doesn't seem to have a plan for the death of the car industry. What was Down-Arrow Boy's issue with that post? It was just indisputable facts. If you said it was Oct 21st when you posted that, would he waste on of his beloved down-arrows on it? 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
ExFlyer Posted October 23, 2025 Report Posted October 23, 2025 (edited) 49 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: What was Down-Arrow Boy's issue with that post? It was just indisputable facts. If you said it was Oct 21st when you posted that, would he waste on of his beloved down-arrows on it? You are as uninformed as confux. The EV business was never a "key Industry"??? It never got off the ground in Canada. Oh and I only down vote stupid posts and I never run out of those posted by the LOSERS LOL Edited October 23, 2025 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
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