G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada, in Another Hit to a Key Industry

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

If Trump does destroy our car industry then the solution will have to be to buy from Asia. No more American trucks. 

Well not necessarily from asia, it might be possible to talk a few European car manufacturers into expanding operations here as well.

But something. The problem is it's not just manufacturing the cars but also the parts

But yeah, basically finding new markets that would be interested in opening up here to build would be a good solution.

But that does take time and Ontario is going to get beat up pretty badly with the loss of the industry

[SpankyMcFarland]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well not necessarily from asia, it might be possible to talk a few European car manufacturers into expanding operations here as well.

But something. The problem is it's not just manufacturing the cars but also the parts

But yeah, basically finding new markets that would be interested in opening up here to build would be a good solution.

But that does take time and Ontario is going to get beat up pretty badly with the loss of the industry

It would be a catastrophe for Ontario and the country but we have to start thinking the unthinkable. At some point if a deal can’t be reached we Canadians need to know what is holding it up and what we should sacrifice. For example, I have often criticized US hypocrisy on agriculture but supply management is something I could live without if it was stopping a deal. 

I’m hoping for a jump in US inflation in this quarter as a result of tariffs. It is coming but not soon enough for my taste. That would get their attention. 
 

[taxme]

On 10/21/2025 at 9:44 PM, CdnFox said:

G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada Amid Trump Tariffs - The New York Times

Our car industry is going to be gone in no time at this rate, between companies dropping unpopular electric models and others shifting production elsewhere, the industry is going to be a fragment, and that's going to make life very tough in ontario.  

Carney doesn't seem to have a plan for the death of the car industry. 

 

Sadly, Canadians have donated hundreds of millions of their tax dollars to help start up that EV plant, and all for not now. This is what Canada gets when Canada it tries to play games and tries to take on the giant next door. Canada is phkd but yet there are so many Canadians that think that we will win against Trump. There are now way too many companies leaving Canada for America and the drain will continue. As long as we keep voting for the lieberals in Canada, we are only just beginning to see what appears to be the end of Canada. 

Carnage has no plans for anything except to try and implement WEF globalists programs and agendas that will only destroy Canada and Canadians even more than Trump could ever do. Those companies leaving will never come back to Canada. We are going to end up having a big unemployment problem in Canada, and adding millions more of new immigrants into the mix will only make our unemployment numbers worse.

But ask Carnage if he really gives a bloody dam. If he were honest he would have to say that i could careless about Canada or Canadians. This is what we will all get from a WEF globalist bankster who pretty much destroyed the British economy when he was playing the banker boy over there. Carnage has the matches and the gasoline that he soon be using to try and burn Canada to the ground. Just my opinion. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It would be a catastrophe for Ontario and the country but we have to start thinking the unthinkable. At some point if a deal can’t be reached we Canadians need to know what is holding it up and what we should sacrifice. For example, I have often criticized US hypocrisy on agriculture but supply management is something I could live without if it was stopping a deal. 

I’m hoping for a jump in US inflation in this quarter as a result of tariffs. It is coming but not soon enough for my taste. That would get their attention. 
 

You could live without it but Quebec would not. And that's why we're not hearing the details, carney has to be careful about things that will cost him the next election but he doesn't want it to appear that he's being careful for that reason.

I've never heard of negotiations going on this long without comment as to what the issues are and how they're going. When doesn't want to do all this negotiations in the public forum but businesses and Canadians deserve to know what the issues are.

In any case I think we have to accept that at the very least the automotive industry will be largely lost and the question now is how do we recover from that

I suspect the supply management simply can't continue either. It's a sore point for trump and he will win that one if he keeps at it

[Legato]

American truck maker Paccar Inc. has laid off 300 more factory workers in Quebec ahead of a 25 per cent import tariff to be imposed by the US next month.

The factory in Sainte-Thérèse, a Montreal suburb, manufactures Kenworth and Peterbilt trucks and relies heavily on revenue from the United States.

Unifor Quebec director Daniel Cloutier calls the cuts “a wake-up call” as the plant risks losing buyers south of the border due to the hefty levies on commercial trucks, set to take effect Nov. 1.

“If the Sainte-Thérèse plant loses its sales in the United States, we must do everything in our power to replenish its order book with customers here,” he said in a statement.

Quebec Economy Minister Christine Fréchette said Paccar executives told her of they hope to develop products for the Canadian market.

The factory will likely find itself in competition with other plants owned by Paccar, which can shift production to its facilities in the US.

In a conference call with analysts this week, chief executive Preston Feight called the sectoral tariffs “a good thing for Paccar’s customers,” pointing to its plants on American soil that could prove an advantage against competitors.

“It’s going to be good because we manufacture trucks in Texas, Ohio and Washington state,” he said. “It will improve our competitive position as we approach next year.”

The announcement is the latest in a series of layoffs at the company’s Quebec plant, where some 425 workers had already been let go since January.

Despite the attrition, Quebec Finance Minister Eric Girard said he did not consider the cuts a death knell.

“There are 1,000 employees, and we’re talking about a reduction of 300,” he said. “This is not the end. There is expertise there, and there are people working there.”

https://www.supplypro.ca/truck-maker-paccar-lays-off-300-workers-in-quebec-ahead-of-tariffs/

[herbie]

Oh Jeez St Therese. Better shit bricks because it was in Quebec.
Paccar shut down in Burnaby BC around 1980. Freightliner soon after.
I know I worked there, my wife at the other. Partly due to tariffs in place at the time. 

Just like now with the Golden Tackyman reimposing them.

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

American truck maker Paccar Inc. has laid off 300 more factory workers in Quebec ahead of a 25 per cent import tariff to be imposed by the US next month.

The factory in Sainte-Thérèse, a Montreal suburb, manufactures Kenworth and Peterbilt trucks and relies heavily on revenue from the United States.

Unifor Quebec director Daniel Cloutier calls the cuts “a wake-up call” as the plant risks losing buyers south of the border due to the hefty levies on commercial trucks, set to take effect Nov. 1.

“If the Sainte-Thérèse plant loses its sales in the United States, we must do everything in our power to replenish its order book with customers here,” he said in a statement.

Quebec Economy Minister Christine Fréchette said Paccar executives told her of they hope to develop products for the Canadian market.

The factory will likely find itself in competition with other plants owned by Paccar, which can shift production to its facilities in the US.

In a conference call with analysts this week, chief executive Preston Feight called the sectoral tariffs “a good thing for Paccar’s customers,” pointing to its plants on American soil that could prove an advantage against competitors.

“It’s going to be good because we manufacture trucks in Texas, Ohio and Washington state,” he said. “It will improve our competitive position as we approach next year.”

The announcement is the latest in a series of layoffs at the company’s Quebec plant, where some 425 workers had already been let go since January.

Despite the attrition, Quebec Finance Minister Eric Girard said he did not consider the cuts a death knell.

“There are 1,000 employees, and we’re talking about a reduction of 300,” he said. “This is not the end. There is expertise there, and there are people working there.”

https://www.supplypro.ca/truck-maker-paccar-lays-off-300-workers-in-quebec-ahead-of-tariffs/

The bleed is endless at the moment. 

And carney has signaled he won't fight for the industry and is giving up, so manufactuers who were holding on hoping there might be a deal are now making plans to move south.  We'll see more and more closures. 

 

[paxamericana]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well not necessarily from asia, it might be possible to talk a few European car manufacturers into expanding operations here as well.

But something. The problem is it's not just manufacturing the cars but also the parts

But yeah, basically finding new markets that would be interested in opening up here to build would be a good solution.

But that does take time and Ontario is going to get beat up pretty badly with the loss of the industry

Explain the copium math to me. How would financially distress Canucks who can’t even afford food, manage to buy a new vehicle again? Since you all retired, your fuel and vehicle consumption has also decreased. Not only that, labor cost is high in Canada, that requires more capital investment upfront for a new plant for automation. With a shrinking consumer base, how is this even possible??

[paxamericana]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The bleed is endless at the moment. 

Just give up, you can’t win. All America needs to do is let Canada go into free fall. If you can’t swallow statehood now, then atleast do what the emperor wants. This ideotic move by Ford is  just accelerating your own economic collapse.

[herbie]

You know these BrightDrop vans start at $47,000 in the USA and $111,000 in Canada.
Gee I wonder why the Post Office isn't buying them......npt 40% more, more than double.

[paxamericana]

23 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh Jeez St Therese. Better shit bricks because it was in Quebec.
Paccar shut down in Burnaby BC around 1980. Freightliner soon after.
I know I worked there, my wife at the other. Partly due to tariffs in place at the time. 

Just like now with the Golden Tackyman reimposing them.

 

 

 

You don’t understand, Trump is going for the jugular. He’s accelerating your capital flight and de-industrialization. You are headed for monetary freefall into Zimbabwe style monopoly money. I’ve warned you all the consequences of your elbows up approach. It was either statehood or fourth world artic Somalia. You all chose snow Somalia. 
 

Don’t think your retirement funds are safe either. Canadian dollars are headed for toilet paper territory. A fiscal collapse. And from Trump’s perspective that’s just fine. He’ll be able to snatch up Canadian assets for cents on the American dollar.

Edited October 25, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Explain the copium math to me.

Copium   Why look at you, managing portmanteaus and all   And they say the american school system is so bad  

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How would financially distress Canucks who can’t even afford food, manage to buy a new vehicle again?

Same way we do now.  And right now most of that money goes to us manufcaturers. 

Canada is the largest US export market for passenger vehicles and light trucks: US exports of $23 bn USD in 2024 – more than US exports to Germany, Mexico and China combined.

$23 billion a year is a lot of money to attract other countries car manufacturers

It's also a lot of money for American car manufacturers to lose

Most of those cars were made in Canada. So one way or another it turns out we can make cars that people want to buy.

I'm sure china would love to make $25 billion a year selling cars made in Canada. 

Sorry kiddo, trump and you badly misunderstood the numbers on that one.  Canadians are EXACTLY the type to agree en masse to stop buying us cars and buy canadian made subaru's and toyotas and volkswagens and kia's and bdy's. In fact the last 3 vehicles i bought, one was a ford and 2 were toyota.  I won't miss the us manufacturers at all 

 

[Barquentine]

On 10/22/2025 at 12:18 PM, ExFlyer said:

When was the EV industry ever a "Key Industry" in Canada???

It should be in the future, but instead we'll let China totally dominate the world market in EVs, while we're stuck in the 50s.

[LinkSoul60]

59 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

It should be in the future, but instead we'll let China totally dominate the world market in EVs, while we're stuck in the 50s.

I don't think there's any doubt it will be in the future, just a matter of how long that is.  Ultimately it's the auto makers who make production decisions based on demand and obviously EV sales hasn't met expectations. North America is well behind the China, the UK and EU in EV adoption and imagine it will continue to lag behind as long as fools like the POTUS eliminate buying incentives and to a lesser degree continue to tout climate change as fake news. 

[ExFlyer]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

uhhhh....  didn't know how the internet or forums worked little guy ?  

Well that's that short term memory loss for you  

The inbox in your head LOL

Cannot get me out of your head at all and now stuck in the inbox of your head ...so sad to be you LOL

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The inbox in your head LOL

 

LOL i'm sure your inbox is in your head constantly but mine is just on a screen  

Kid you wake up every morning and rush around the forum puttnig little down arrows on all my posts like you're completely desperate   It's not me who has the problem with having someone stuck in his head   

[ExFlyer]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL i'm sure 

...wake up every morning and rush around the forum puttnig little down arrows on all my posts...

HA HA HA

You are not sure of anything except that I am so far in your head you cannot stop posting to me over and over and over again. I only respond to your posts to me. HA HA HA

And As I said before...only the ones that deserve down votes get them and you, you lucky dolt ,deserve them all HA HA HA 

Easier for you to post to me than keeping on topic LOL

Edited October 25, 2025 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Just give up, you can’t win. All America needs to do is let Canada go into free fall. If you can’t swallow statehood now, then atleast do what the emperor wants. This ideotic move by Ford is  just accelerating your own economic collapse.

We're not interested in advice from a country that can't even beat us in baseball  

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

HA HA HA

 

I accept your admission of failure    In any case, you're still wrong, which is what set you off in the first place.  If being wrong upsets you so much that you have these little meltdowns, have you considered maybe being right for a change?  

I realize that will involve learning to think and read properly but honestly it's worth it.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

14 hours ago, paxamericana said:

You don’t understand, Trump is going for the jugular. He’s accelerating your capital flight and de-industrialization. You are headed for monetary freefall into Zimbabwe style monopoly money. I’ve warned you all the consequences of your elbows up approach. It was either statehood or fourth world artic Somalia. You all chose snow Somalia. 
 

Don’t think your retirement funds are safe either. Canadian dollars are headed for toilet paper territory. A fiscal collapse. And from Trump’s perspective that’s just fine. He’ll be able to snatch up Canadian assets for cents on the American dollar.

You’re right behind us, pal. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I don't think there's any doubt it will be in the future, just a matter of how long that is.  Ultimately it's the auto makers who make production decisions based on demand and obviously EV sales hasn't met expectations. North America is well behind the China, the UK and EU in EV adoption and imagine it will continue to lag behind as long as fools like the POTUS eliminate buying incentives and to a lesser degree continue to tout climate change as fake news. 

Cars are going electric. That’s the direction of travel. China copped onto this before they had a serious car industry and look set to dominate our collective auto future. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Cars are going electric. That’s the direction of travel. China copped onto this before they had a serious car industry and look set to dominate our collective auto future. 

Cars may one day go electric, but right now they are not. The electric market is drying up, models are being cancelled and with very good reason. 

They fill a niche and that's great, if they work for people then people should switch . 

But for the majority of people they don't work.  And with the current battery tech they never will. 

Over time the tech will change, we'll get either better energy storage options or we'll find ways of creating electricity on demand like hydrogen fuel cells which actually work and make sense and are a  legit replacement for ice. 

But that day is not here. And you have to let it happen naturally 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I accept your admission of failure

OK HA HA HA

Poor little boy....got a forum troll buried in your head and has to keep on keeping on.

Makes you keep wandering of topic HA HA HA

What a sad situation for you LOL

[taxme]

On 10/21/2025 at 9:44 PM, CdnFox said:

G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada Amid Trump Tariffs - The New York Times

Our car industry is going to be gone in no time at this rate, between companies dropping unpopular electric models and others shifting production elsewhere, the industry is going to be a fragment, and that's going to make life very tough in ontario.  

Carney doesn't seem to have a plan for the death of the car industry. 

 

The lieberals are only interested in destroying our industries and keep Canada and Canadians on the path to more woke, becoming more broke and eventually to bankrupt Canada. And like i always keep saying here/ To turn Canada into a 3rd world communist globalist hell hole. Believe it or not. I certainly do. Do you? 🤔

[herbie]

16 hours ago, paxamericana said:

You don’t understand, Trump is going for the jugular.

No YOU don't understand. He's going for YOUR jugular. In 6 months he's managed to destroy 50 years of trade relations, the trust of ALL your allies and any way at all of reducing your cost of living.
And you think that's an accomplishment?