G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada, in Another Hit to a Key Industry

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh and you are a.....what???

 

@Goddess  is apperently a person who can recognize a 12 year old boy  

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

I'm telling you, it's a 12 year old boy.

In all the years he/she/it has been here, I think I've seen maybe 2 posts of substance that I believe was probably AI or something he heard adults say.

The rest is burp and fart jokes, name-calling and emotional meltdowns.

12.

Year.

Old.

Boy.

You make a compelling case.  One time he got mad i was right about something and spent about 3 weeks posting nothing but anal porn at me.  

I really do believe he's a young person, probably just in his teens. You just generally don't see older people have these weird melt downs and constantly repeat posts trying to teach others a lesson. 

[JohnnyCanuck]

After 4 pages of comments I think it is time to return to the original topic of the thread by the first poster  CdnFox.

G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada, in Another Hit to a Key Industry

True - a hit to a key industry the Car and Truck industry.     But considering the size of the industry, discontinuing production of a small quantity of a EV Van is a very small hit, of a type that has happened many times before - so what?. In a capitalist society products are continually updated and replaced, nothing new here.   

The source of the post is a New York Times leader. In the NYT story they say "G.M. cited low demand for its BrightDrop delivery van, as well as the end of tax credits for electric vehicles in the United States."

GM are stopping production because it is a failed model that is not selling.  again  My comment -  so what?  1200 jobs cannot be subsidised to produce a product that no one wants.

The same story also tells us more about the actions of Stellantis regarding a new Jeep model.  I quote "Last week, the automaker Stellantis announced that it would move production of a new Jeep model from an idle factory in the Toronto suburb of Brampton to a plant in Illinois. The company shut down the factory in 2023 and laid off its roughly 3,000 workers so that it could retool the facilities, but now the fate of those employees is unclear."

Hmm -  at least 5 other media sources say that the 3000 workers were laid off in Feb 2025.   It was back in 2023 that Stellantis announced  future retooling of the Brampton plant for the new Jeep Compass.  So  the NYT is a not very exact in its reporting, but we get the gist.

So Stellantis have cancelled the retooling / reopening of the Brampton plant with its 3000 jobs, But wait -  Doug Ford said Ontario had not yet handed over subsidy dollars to Stellantis -  so it means a budget is available to grant to another Car company to set up shop -  How about BYD ?  China send the cars as kits - we can put them together - we can even make the wheels and batteries in Canada I would think.  Great opportunity.   Without the 100% china ev tariffs  they should sell for $25,000 -  by all accounts they are a great car and do 450 km on a single charge - and at that price they would sell like hot cakes.  The climate change fraternity would be dribbling in their oat-milk shakes as they keyed in their online orders the second the announcment was made.  EV cars are not selling large numbers right now because they are too expensive - not because they are undesired. If Canada is not going to get a share of the EV car production from the big 3 - then why not get in foreigners EV products.  we need to save the climate eh?  Surely a decarbonisation pumper like Carney realises this?    At least China will buy our Canola and lobsters to give us some foreign exchange-     

Lets face it - we know where the CUSMA renegotiation is going to go regarding Autos -  Currently Canada with 10% of the population of the USA ends up producing 20% of the USA+Canada car sales.     It doesn't take a genius to see that the Orange one will be expecting to get us down to 10% to match the population ratio.  Yes Orange man is saying 100% cars made in the US right now, but that is his opening bid - my prediction is we drop from 20% to 10% - losing half of the Canadian Auto industry will be a serious drop.

Finally I drove a Jeep Compass as a rental a few years back - they make driving a small SUV just like driving a clunky big truck -  an awful experience - we don't need to make those loser vehicle here anyway. they can shove them - lets find a winner -   Get in BYD.   
 

Edited October 27, 2025 by JohnnyCanuck

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, JohnnyCanuck said:

But considering the size of the industry, discontinuing production of a small quantity of a EV Van is a very small hit, of a type that has happened many times before - so what?. In a capitalist society products are continually updated and replaced, nothing new here.  

In isolation, by itself, nothing new. But when you add it to the growing pile of closures and slow downs which I believe is now up to five or six major announcements it becomes part of a larger trend and to an industry already reeling from massive job losses every single new job loss is a major blow

A snowball doesn't have much of an impact, but an avalanche does even though they're made of the same thing. And that's what we're seeing, an avalanche of closures and job losses with no apparent end in sight..

And it impacts Ontario the most obviously. Steel and copper also impact Ontario a great deal.. And it's Ontario starts to suffer pretty quick the rest of us are going to wind up feeling the hit as well

So every new job loss in the auto industry right now is going to be a major deal

[Goddess]

The Liberals bet all our taxpayer dollars on EV's and lost.

This is why government should not be picking business winners and losers.  The free market will decide.

Canada's economy and industry cannot be based on corporate welfare.  And neither can society - do we really want to live in a welfare state?

I guess Liberals and their supporters do, but at some point - and that point is apparently soon - taxpayer money runs out.

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

@Goddess  is apperently a person who can recognize a 12 year old boy  

For sure...she sees that you need all the help you can get...because you are such a monumental LOSER so she has to step in  LOL

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, JohnnyCanuck said:

After 4 pages of comments I think it is time to return to the original topic of the thread by the first poster  CdnFox.

G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada, in Another Hit to a Key Industry

True - a hit to a key industry the Car and Truck industry.     But considering the size of the industry, discontinuing production of a small quantity of a EV Van is a very small hit, of a type that has happened many times before - so what?. In a capitalist society products are continually updated and replaced, nothing new here.   

The source of the post is a New York Times leader. In the NYT story they say "G.M. cited low demand for its BrightDrop delivery van, as well as the end of tax credits for electric vehicles in the United States."

GM are stopping production because it is a failed model that is not selling.  again  My comment -  so what?  1200 jobs cannot be subsidised to produce a product that no one wants.

The same story also tells us more about the actions of Stellantis regarding a new Jeep model.  I quote "Last week, the automaker Stellantis announced that it would move production of a new Jeep model from an idle factory in the Toronto suburb of Brampton to a plant in Illinois. The company shut down the factory in 2023 and laid off its roughly 3,000 workers so that it could retool the facilities, but now the fate of those employees is unclear."

Hmm -  at least 5 other media sources say that the 3000 workers were laid off in Feb 2025.   It was back in 2023 that Stellantis announced  future retooling of the Brampton plant for the new Jeep Compass.  So  the NYT is a not very exact in its reporting, but we get the gist.

So Stellantis have cancelled the retooling / reopening of the Brampton plant with its 3000 jobs, But wait -  Doug Ford said Ontario had not yet handed over subsidy dollars to Stellantis -  so it means a budget is available to grant to another Car company to set up shop -  How about BYD ?  China send the cars as kits - we can put them together - we can even make the wheels and batteries in Canada I would think.  Great opportunity.   Without the 100% china ev tariffs  they should sell for $25,000 -  by all accounts they are a great car and do 450 km on a single charge - and at that price they would sell like hot cakes.  The climate change fraternity would be dribbling in their oat-milk shakes as they keyed in their online orders the second the announcment was made.  EV cars are not selling large numbers right now because they are too expensive - not because they are undesired. If Canada is not going to get a share of the EV car production from the big 3 - then why not get in foreigners EV products.  we need to save the climate eh?  Surely a decarbonisation pumper like Carney realises this?    At least China will buy our Canola and lobsters to give us some foreign exchange-     

Lets face it - we know where the CUSMA renegotiation is going to go regarding Autos -  Currently Canada with 10% of the population of the USA ends up producing 20% of the USA+Canada car sales.     It doesn't take a genius to see that the Orange one will be expecting to get us down to 10% to match the population ratio.  Yes Orange man is saying 100% cars made in the US right now, but that is his opening bid - my prediction is we drop from 20% to 10% - losing half of the Canadian Auto industry will be a serious drop.

Finally I drove a Jeep Compass as a rental a few years back - they make driving a small SUV just like driving a clunky big truck -  an awful experience - we don't need to make those loser vehicle here anyway. they can shove them - lets find a winner -   Get in BYD.   
 

I agree with you and have said basically the same in this thread.

Some folks here don't like it though LOL

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

@Goddess  is apperently a person who can recognize a 12 year old boy

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

For sure...

So we agree you're a 12 year old boy then?  Well.. suspicions confirmed  

Kid, nobody on this board respects you.  when you grow up and look back on this you'll realize why.

 

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, JohnnyCanuck said:

After 4 pages of comments I think it is time to return to the original topic of the thread by the first poster  CdnFox.

G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada, in Another Hit to a Key Industry

True - a hit to a key industry the Car and Truck industry.     But considering the size of the industry, discontinuing production of a small quantity of a EV Van is a very small hit, of a type that has happened many times before - so what?. In a capitalist society products are continually updated and replaced, nothing new here.   

The source of the post is a New York Times leader. In the NYT story they say "G.M. cited low demand for its BrightDrop delivery van, as well as the end of tax credits for electric vehicles in the United States."

GM are stopping production because it is a failed model that is not selling.  again  My comment -  so what?  1200 jobs cannot be subsidised to produce a product that no one wants.

The same story also tells us more about the actions of Stellantis regarding a new Jeep model.  I quote "Last week, the automaker Stellantis announced that it would move production of a new Jeep model from an idle factory in the Toronto suburb of Brampton to a plant in Illinois. The company shut down the factory in 2023 and laid off its roughly 3,000 workers so that it could retool the facilities, but now the fate of those employees is unclear."

Hmm -  at least 5 other media sources say that the 3000 workers were laid off in Feb 2025.   It was back in 2023 that Stellantis announced  future retooling of the Brampton plant for the new Jeep Compass.  So  the NYT is a not very exact in its reporting, 

So Stellantis have cancelled the retooling / reopening of the Brampton plant with its 3000 jobs, But wait -  Doug Ford said Ontario had not yet handed over subsidy dollars to Stellantis -  so it means a budget is available to grant to another Car company to set up shop -  How about BYD ?  China send the cars as kits - we can put them together - we can even make the wheels and batteries in Canada I would think.  Great opportunity.   Without the 100% china ev tariffs  they should sell for $25,000 -  by all accounts they are a great car and do 450 km on a single charge - and at that price they would sell like hot cakes.  The climate change fraternity would be dribbling in their oat-milk shakes as they keyed in their online orders the second the announcment was made.  EV cars are not selling large numbers right now because they are too expensive - not because they are undesired. If Canada is not going to get a share of the EV car production from the big 3 - then why not get in foreigners EV products.  we need to save the climate eh?  Surely a decarbonisation pumper like Carney realises this?    At least China will buy our Canola and lobsters to give us some foreign exchange-     

Lets face it - we know where the CUSMA renegotiation is going to go regarding Autos -  Currently Canada with 10% of the population of the USA ends up producing 20% of the USA+Canada car sales.     It doesn't take a genius to see that the Orange one will be expecting to get us down to 10% to match the population ratio.  Yes Orange man is saying 100% cars made in the US right now, but that is his opening bid - my prediction is we drop from 20% to 10% - losing half of the Canadian Auto industry will be a serious drop.

Finally I drove a Jeep Compass as a rental a few years back - they make driving a small SUV just like driving a clunky big truck -  an awful experience - we don't need to make those loser vehicle here anyway. they can shove them - lets find a winner -   Get in BYD.   
 

The size of the industry is shrinking rapidly.  IF this was the ONLY recent reduction, then sure not a big deal, 

But it's not.  It's the continuation of a series of brutal blows to the industry. 

And nobody's suggesting that it should be subsidized but at the end of the day this is the game the libs bought into, and like it or not 1200 jobs lost is going to hurt like hell as we're moving into recession and especially in a province that's already taking the brunt of the blows. 

 You can try to blow it off as nothing but its' pretty serious

As to stellantus they did retool and were supposed to open that factory again in just a month or two.  The workers had all been told the layoff was temporary and they'd be hired back shortly. 

Now those jobs are gone. 

Sure, it's possible to talk other countries into building more here.  China is a possibility but lets not forget toyota and others already build cars here 

But "assembly" when the supplier is across an ocean is always more expensive and difficult.  As it is car's being assembled in canada have parts cross back and forth across the border 6 or 7 times, and there's a reason for that.  You can't just 'ship' those parts back and forth across an ocean like that 

And ev's are undesired.  The people who want them are a small percent of the market, maybe aroudn 30 percent. And that market has been serviced.  Unfortunately the liberal gov't bought heavily into the whole "EV" thing and still has an ev mandate hanging over the car industry, which they've out and out said is harming the industry more. 

 

So despite your claim, this is a big deal. This is going to hurt canada bady. And Carney has abandoned the industry and has no particular plan to address it 

 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So despite your claim, this is a big deal. This is going to hurt canada bady. And Carney has abandoned the industry and has no particular plan to address it

Meh...thousands of jobs and businesses were lost when Canada caved to the US following the Salmon Wars. Canadians for the most part were oblivious to it. Most don't have a clue how many Canadian fish are caught in Alaska.

Ottawa has been ceding our industrial base to the US for decades. Get in line and better yet get a job that doesn't depend on anything Ottawa manages. No amount of X's on a ballot made a bit of difference in our case and it won't in anyone else's.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Meh...thousands of jobs and businesses were lost when Canada caved to the US following the Salmon Wars. Canadians for the most part were oblivious to it. Most don't have a clue how many Canadian fish are caught in Alaska.

 

If they're caught in Alaska they're American fish. And no thousands of jobs in businesses were not lost.

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Ottawa has been ceding our industrial base to the US for decades. Get in line and better yet get a job that doesn't depend on anything Ottawa manages. No amount of X's on a ballot made a bit of difference in our case and it won't in anyone else's.

Again not true but as always you pretend it is so that you can excuse the federal liberals which you absolutely adore from their bad behavior.

And I would point out that indeed it was the federal liberals Who refused to back Glenn Clark's fight with regards to the salmon.

Harper on the other hand managed to secure a very Canada positive softwood lumber deal and negotiated other settlements that benefited Canada.

The ballot box absolutely matters 100%.

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If they're caught in Alaska they're American fish.

Not according to international laws and agreements.

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And no thousands of jobs in businesses were not lost.

Like I said Canadians are oblivious.

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And I would point out that indeed it was the federal liberals Who refused to back Glenn Clark's fight with regards to the salmon.

Harper on the other hand managed to secure a very Canada positive softwood lumber deal and negotiated other settlements that benefited Canada.

The ballot box absolutely matters 100%.

Like I said... oblivious...

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

 Well.. suspicions confirmed  

Kid, nobody on this board respects you.  

 

Give your head a shake LOSER.

Try and stay on topic and quit deflecting your LOSER image HA HA HA

Oh and, I am not looking for respect...whatever made you think that LOSER???

[herbie]

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not according to international laws and agreements.

Yes according to international agreements.  IF it wasn't the case there'd be no need for agreements.  A fish in American waters is an american fish.  We agree between us to control the catch so everyone can take a fair share but that's an agreement.  

It's no different than water - we allow a certain amount of our river water to cross into the US for their use, but it's OUR water until it does and we don't HAVE to do that. 

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Like I said Canadians are oblivious.

And as usual no examples no cites and you're just full of shit again. 

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Like I said... oblivious...

Can't refute a single point so ... this. 

Pathetic. 

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Give your head a shake LOSER.

 

My head is fine. Yours is the one that's exploding. Must be all those preteen hormones  

[taxme]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

@Goddess  is apperently a person who can recognize a 12 year old boy  

I believe that Goddess may just be right about flyboy and his age. LOL 

[taxme]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Give your head a shake LOSER.

Try and stay on topic and quit deflecting your LOSER image HA HA HA

Oh and, I am not looking for respect...whatever made you think that LOSER???

Why don't you just tell us all here as to what your lieberals have done to help keep Canada great and helped stopped Canada from pretty much headed for bankruptcy these past ten years. If you cannot answer that easy and simple question, than you are the bloody loser here, LOSER. 🤡

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

My head is fine. Yours is the one that's exploding. Must be all those preteen hormones  

No it ain't, you are an epic LOSER so it cannot be LOL

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, taxme said:

I believe that Goddess may just be right about flyboy and his age. LOL 

I think she's off a little bit, i'd say he's more like 15.  He's got that whole "i just stopped trading pokemon cards and now i think i'm so cool" thing going on  

Old enough to be slightly embarrassed that my little pony is on his playlist but young enough that he doesn't know how to start a lawm mower   

[bush_cheney2004]

The impact of recent auto plant decisions by GM and Stellantis on Ontario looms larger because that industry has been decimated so much already over the past two decades. 

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"...This trend has been happening for the last 20 years," said Anil Verma, an industrial relations professor at the University of Toronto. "It's not a huge surprise. Of course, it doesn't reduce the hurt and the damage. But if I were in the auto industry in any capacity I would be wanting to look for an exit strategy."

According to Statistics Canada, the country's manufacturing sector lost 278,000 jobs between 2000 and 2007. That accelerated during the recession, with an additional 188,000 auto jobs disappearing between 2008 and 2009 -- most of them in Quebec and Ontario.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/decline-of-automotive-industry-not-a-huge-surprise-experts/

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The impact of recent auto plant decisions by GM and Stellantis on Ontario looms larger because that industry has been decimated so much already over the past two decades. 

Which is bad for sure. But it often happens that one industry declines over time. Usually however other Industries pop up to take its place, and that really hasn't happened here. Ontario's economy is severely impacted by this industry and seeing in nose dive like this is going to have a majorly negative effect far outside of the jobs that are lost.

Worse, it's happening at a time when their other major industries such as steel and copper and possibly even the film industry etc.  are also suffering. 

The gov't says retraining will be offfered, but retraining to do what? What jobs?  Are they going to learn to code? AI shot that to hell already. 

Edited October 28, 2025 by CdnFox

[herbie]

The slow market in EV deliveries can be attributed almost 100% in the USA to Trump's anti-EV policies.
I Canada to the fact the entire market is pretty much an East - West line from coast to coast, and you often drive an hour between towns. That limits their practicality to in town Big City use, adn they are being used there now. The Post Office also failed to jump onboard even though EVs would make the most sense for them than almost any other business.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

The slow market in EV deliveries can be attributed almost 100% in the USA to Trump's anti-EV policies.
I Canada to the fact the entire market is pretty much an East - West line from coast to coast, and you often drive an hour between towns. That limits their practicality to in town Big City use, adn they are being used there now. The Post Office also failed to jump onboard even though EVs would make the most sense for them than almost any other business.

It was already slowing to a crawl before trump even got elected.

Evie's do not make sense for about  70% of the population. The other 30% have already got them for the most part. As that market fills up the need for new ones nose dives

The technology is not there to replace ice yet

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The technology is not there to replace ice yet

What? I provide my guests who show up with an EV an ordinary outdoor outlet I installed when I built my place 40 years ago. How hard can it be?

[herbie]

OMG you gotta compulsively post a negativist reply to every damn thing anyone posts.
We're talking specifically about in town delivery vans, of which 90% of people don't buy at all. About business decisions, not what YOU want to drive down to the f*cking corner store in.
Parroting the same negativist points 15 years out of date about a sector you know SFA about.