It's the Fifth Annual White Liberal Guilt Trip Day!

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, Shady said:

What grave sites?

You know how when a guy says he's a girl, you're supposed to pretend to see that they're a girl?

It's that kind of gravesite.  

FYI tree roots can identify as bones, and if you don't see it, you're a racist. 

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

Back to where they came from?

Sure. I hear asia is lovely this time of year  

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

...they get everything for free...

Don't forget we got Canada for free. As far as they're concerned they're finally getting what they've been owed and deserve going forward.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget we got Canada for free.

So did they.   ANd we've invested a hell of a lot more into it, which they benefit from

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As far as they're concerned they're finally getting what they've been owed and deserve going forward.

They better hope not  

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So did they.

They were here first. This matters, as evidenced by supreme court rulings and treaties as well as our international agreements and commitments.

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They better hope not

Why, are you figuring on undoing all their progress and putting them back where they were when we arrived on the scene? How exactly?

 

[Army Guy]

23 hours ago, eyeball said:

By securing modern treaties that follow Truth and Reconciliation. Treaties are one of the biggest economic drivers in my region now.

Who said they weren't educated? The better question is what can we learn from them? I think we could all stand to renegotiate our relationship with our governments.

Revolutions in the New World have coalesced around indigenous aspirations before.

We are still not on the same page with past treaties, why should we make new treaties....Why do we need treaties , for what exactly...and where does this stop, do we make treaties with any other racial group, LGBTQ groups, white people groups....either we are a nation called Canada or we are not....it is starting to look like we have added an addition level of government Local, provincial, federal and Native which in itself has dozens of levels...and we really wonder why it is so difficult to get anything done in this country...

Educated in which way, and how would any of that translate into modern jobs we have now....could they be surgeons, lawyers, pilots..... I'm sure we could learn from anyone, but in todays world what are we going to take from yester years indigenous people....we automatically assume they are great stewards of the land, great conservationists, one with the land....and yet there are plenty of examples of them being nothing of the sort.  That many are just as greedy as the rest of us and money drives everything.....

I agree i think our indigenous people and Canada should renegotiate our entire existence and relationship with each other....stop relying on pieces of paper signed with the British in the 1700's...and put an end to the many tiers of being a Canadian....and have one class, with everyone having the same rights , same opportunities, same everything....disband reserve, disband any special rights we and they have....to fishing,  hunting, land titles, not paying taxes...  join the rest of the globe and be treaty as one people.....This country is already divided into to many groups....it is time to either come together or shake hands and divide this nation into smaller pieces.....

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget we got Canada for free. As far as they're concerned they're finally getting what they've been owed and deserve going forward.

They have been paid every hour, every day, every week, every month every year since they lost the country.

They have been paid enough already

They are owed nothing more.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Why, are you figuring on undoing all their progress and putting them back where they were when we arrived on the scene? How exactly?

What do you mean by "progress"? 

Are you saying that residential schools weren't created solely for the purpose of abusing all first-nations children? 

Careful, that kind of talk can get you cancelled and excommunicated by the left4rd orthodoxy. The official narrative is "It was racist to bring them out of the stone age."

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

They were here first.

 

So what. 

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This matters, as evidenced by supreme court rulings and treaties as well as our international agreements and commitments.

not really. None of those rulings suggest that somehow canada doesn't have every bit as much of a claim that they do

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Why, are you figuring on undoing all their progress and putting them back where they were when we arrived on the scene? How exactly?

Where did i say i was 'figuring' on doing 'anything'? 

Losing the argument so trying to 'invent' things i said to argue with again are you?     tsk tsk! 

[Army Guy]

19 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The UN and most countries have decided that territorial conquest is no longer a legitimate action.

And yet we have unceded land that Canadian cities sit on.

Recognition of past wrongs goes a long way to cementing social cohesion between our peoples.

I think that it's highly bizarre to tell people how to feel about past wrongs.  Even weirder to tell people that they SHOULDN'T feel bad.  Like moralizing amorality.

Did the UN set a date on how far we have to go back, some of our own treaties go back to the 1700's/ 1800's...I ask because this could rewrite the entire history of the globe, and redraw maps every where... and why has Canada been selected as the test case...

And with our population growing in leaps and bounds, this is going to be a constant problem of Canadians on unceded land....so what is the solution to buy that land off them, what about private land does the government pay for that land to be transferred back to our indigenous people...

Do you feel bad Michael about what our fore fathers did or did not do...do i have to own my entire families tree worth of rights or wrongs....State of California recently decided to make reparations to black Americans for being slaves....and yet these same Californians never owned slaves ,and the black Americans getting paid were not slaves....kind of like paying child support to a women you never meet , never had sex with.... 

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

They have been paid every hour, every day, every week, every month every year since they lost the country.

They never lost anything it just needed to be proven it was still theirs.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

They have been paid enough already

They are owed nothing more.

That's not what our courts, treaties and international conventions we agree to say.

Edited October 1, 2025 by eyeball

[eyeball]

55 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What do you mean by "progress"? 

Truth, reconciliation, treaties and legally negotiated recognition and acknowledgment.

 

[eyeball]

54 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So what.

It's enshrined in law, that's what.

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

not really. None of those rulings suggest that somehow canada doesn't have every bit as much of a claim that they do

What are you talking about? We're covered under these treaties too.

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Where did i say i was 'figuring' on doing 'anything'? 

Losing the argument so trying to 'invent' things i said to argue with again are you? 

I wasn't arguing, I was speculating because you didn't make it very clear what you meant by They better hope not - you managed to make it sound a little meanacing is all.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's enshrined in law, that's what.

No, as I said there's nothing that suggests that they have more of a say than we do

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What are you talking about? We're covered under these treaties too.

Which still doesn't say that we have less say than they do

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I wasn't arguing, I was speculating because you didn't make it very clear what you meant by They better hope not - you managed to make it sound a little meanacing is all.

I made it perfectly clear what I meant. The problem is what I meant isn't something you could argue with so you chose to rewrite and as you put it speculate something completely different than what I said so you would have something to argue with

. That's very normal for you. If what someone says is the truth and you can't argue then you just create something fake that isn't the truth and argue with that.

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's enshrined in law, that's what.

No, as I said there's nothing that suggests that they have more of a say than we do

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What are you talking about? We're covered under these treaties too.

Which still doesn't say that we have less say than they do

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I wasn't arguing, I was speculating because you didn't make it very clear what you meant by They better hope not - you managed to make it sound a little meanacing is all.

I made it perfectly clear what I meant. The problem is what I meant isn't something you could argue with so you chose to rewrite and as you put it speculate something completely different than what I said so you would have something to argue with

. That's very normal for you. If what someone says is the truth and you can't argue then you just create something fake that isn't the truth and argue with that.

[Chrissy1979]

On 9/30/2025 at 8:57 AM, ExFlyer said:

White liberals???

Canada was conquered and the indigenous lost. Just as the indigenous lost to each other in tribal wars.

 

 

Your whole premise is based on a misconception. Indigenous peoples were never conquered here. That’s why there were treaties. 
Learn your own history.
 

[eyeball]

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, as I said there's nothing that suggests that they have more of a say than we do

Then I'm afraid you don't understand the reality you live in.

If First Nations need more fish to meet their needs for example it comes off allocations made to non-native fishermen. That's the law.

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Which still doesn't say that we have less say than they do

It most certainly does in some instances. That's the reality of legal title and the strength of modern treaties.

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I made it perfectly clear what I meant. The problem is what I meant isn't something you could argue with so you chose to rewrite and as you put it speculate something completely different than what I said so you would have something to argue with

Okay but if that's the case I'm not arguing with you I'm simply telling you how things are. They definitely do live in hope of more...they live in certainty of getting even more in fact.

 

Edited October 1, 2025 by eyeball

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, herbie said:

He gets time and half if he works it, or the whole day pff with pay so he can go out and do whatever he wants.
Yet instead of STFU and enjoy it, he mocks it.
Another one wallows in negativity.

I work for myself, booboo. If I don't work. I don't get any money. No vacation and no sick pay.

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

For some reason, a minority resents the fact that their moral stance is not widely held so they lash out. That's how I see it.

It's a lot more widely held than people like you probably realize. People are fed up with all the bullshit around natives and how the rest of us have to feel guilty and pay them off forever.

Let this guy say it when he talks about the bullshit land acknowledgements, which are de rigueur these days. He says it quite well.

Let me break this down clearly so you can better understand why these mandated Land Acknowledgements are offensive to me.

They imply inherited guilt. A Land Acknowledgement usually frames the land I live and work on as “stolen.” Even if it does not say the words directly, the message is that I am benefiting from a theft. I served my country for 25 years, I have paid my taxes, raised my family responsibly, and built a life honestly. It cuts against my sense of fairness and justice to be told I must carry guilt for actions taken by people hundreds of years ago. I will not accept accountability for the past when I had no part in it.

They ignore my contribution. I have invested decades of service in the military, in my education, in my community, and in my family. These acknowledgements do not recognize those sacrifices, nor those of my ancestors who also built and defended this country. Instead, they imply my very presence is illegitimate. That denies the legitimacy of my life’s work and my family’s role in helping build this nation.

They make reconciliation into a ritual of shame. A healthy society should face the past with honesty. But what I see is not dialogue or shared responsibility. It is a scripted performance that demands I accept a label like “colonizer,” whether or not it reflects who I am. Rather than bringing people together, it divides by assigning one group permanent guilt and another permanent victimhood. That is not reconciliation. It is coerced shame.

They erase complexity. History in Canada is complicated. Many settlers and Indigenous peoples lived, worked, and fought together. There were injustices, but also cooperation, intermarriage, and shared struggles. Long before Europeans arrived, Indigenous groups also fought among themselves, sometimes brutally, with violence and cruelty toward rival tribes. No group in history is free from wrongdoing. Yet the Land Acknowledgement format reduces this reality to a one-sided story of “oppressors vs. oppressed,” which is neither fair nor accurate.

They are being mandated. Perhaps the strongest reason I find them offensive is that these acknowledgements are not voluntary. They are imposed in workplaces, schools, and public events as if they were civic duties or loyalty oaths. Refusing to participate often brings social or professional penalties. That strips away personal agency and turns what could have been a gesture of respect into a forced confession.

So my reaction is not irrational. These acknowledgements conflict with my principles of fairness, personal responsibility, and earned legitimacy. They demand I accept guilt I do not bear, while ignoring the contributions my family and I have made. They also erase the truth that no people, Indigenous or otherwise, lived without conflict or wrongdoing in the past.

Tom Marazzo

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget we got Canada for free. As far as they're concerned they're finally getting what they've been owed and deserve going forward.

Who exactly got Canada for free? Those born here?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Then I'm afraid you don't understand the reality you live in.

 

And no examples, no evidence, no nuthin. 

Yeah.  i'm sure that it's ME who doesn't understand 🙄🙄🙄 But hey, post the link to the court case that says that indigenous people have MORE  of a say than the canadian gov't.  Not equal but more as i noted. 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

If First Nations need more fish to meet their needs for example it comes off allocations made to non-native fishermen. That's the law.

That's just a commercial fishery and a law isn't 'rights'.  If someone doesn't have enough money to live the gov't gives them money they took from me and other taxpayers but that doesn't mean they have a 'right' to the money.  So that's got nothing to do with what we're talking about. 

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It most certainly does in some instances. That's the reality of legal title and the strength of modern treaties.

Like what 

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Okay but if that's the case I'm not arguing with you I'm simply telling you how things are. They definitely do live in hope of more...they live in certainty of getting even more in fact.

In the end i bet it winds up costing them. 

People who become hooked on other people's support and indulgence wind up in real trouble when the day inevitably comes that people pull that support.  And guaranteed given time that's what will happen. It always does. 

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Acknowledgements are offensive to me.

They imply inherited guilt.

I don't feel guilty, I feel cheated. I had no idea what our government did to First Nations. There was no mention of it in my education when I was growing up and I only learned of it years later after I'd invested in commercial fishing. We got clobbered by truth, reconciliation and treaties a lot harder than just about any Canadian can imagine - I don't hold First Nations responsible for that however. I lay blame for that at the feet of our government. I lay so much blame I'm against it, I oppose it, I hate it and I hope it withers, dies and goes away.

It's not guilt for our governments actions that we've inherited it's liability for our governments actions and inaction towards First Nations.
There's no clause in the Constitution that limits that liability. I think there's a case to be made for suing religious institutions that existed before our government but that's probably up to First Nations to take up.

33 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Even if it does not say the words directly, the message is that I am benefiting from a theft.

So you clearly get the message but you just don't like it. I don't like it either but it is what it is.

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But hey, post the link to the court case that says that indigenous people have MORE  of a say than the canadian gov't.  Not equal but more as i noted.

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That's just a commercial fishery and a law isn't 'rights'.

The law follows the right not the other way around.

First Nations, specifically the Nuu-chah-nulth Nations and others in British Columbia, have won legal recognition of their Aboriginal rights to commercially harvest and sell fish, notably affirming their rights in the Ahousaht Indian Band and Nation v Canada case.

Go look it up yourself.

The Province tried to see to it limits like the size of boats etc were included but they lost and as far as Ottawa's limits go the Ahousahts  around here routinely tell DFO to fùck off when they come alongside to ask what they're doing, and they do.

It's actually inspiring. If I did that I'd be boarded and thrown in cuffs.

 

[herbie]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I work for myself, booboo. If I don't work. I don't get any money. No vacation and no sick pay.

So you get a day off because no one else is open. Or to catch up without anyone bugging you, Complain about that?

I went for a free bannock anda dog walk, then did up an office floorplan. no calls no texts no emails. All done in two hours. Even had time to cook something decent.
The native lady across the street came over with the latest gossip and gave me a jar of huckleberry jam. If I still had my shop there's have been tons of foot traffic yesterday.No loss for anyone ro have more stats. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

The law follows the right not the other way around.

 

No, many laws have nothing to do with rights.  There's laws governing what you can do at a crosswalk. It's not your right to have crosswalks    LOLOL

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First Nations, specifically the Nuu-chah-nulth Nations and others in British Columbia, have won legal recognition of their Aboriginal rights to commercially harvest and sell fish, notably affirming their rights in the Ahousaht Indian Band and Nation v Canada case.

And canada has the right to commercially harvest fish as well.  So they don't have any more rights than we do. 

You just proved yourself wrong.  Well done. 

 

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The Province tried to see to it limits like the size of boats etc were included but they lost and as far as Ottawa's limits go the Ahousahts  around here routinely tell DFO to fùck off when they come alongside to ask what they're doing, and they do.

Lack of Enforcement isn't the law. For years cops wouldn't bust people for dope in bc.  That didn't mean you had a right to dope. 

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It's actually inspiring. If I did that I'd be boarded and thrown in cuffs.

Well look at you, i mean you've got that whole 'relic from beachcombers' look going on, of course they're going to think you're shady. 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

No, many laws have nothing to do with rights.  There's laws governing what you can do at a crosswalk. It's not your right to have crosswalks    LOLOL

I accept your surrender.

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

I accept your surrender.

I accept you've been drinking nyquil by the glass again and remind you the voices are NOT your friends.