What The Liberals Did To Canada

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, Goddess said:

Sources were in the links.

You had no links...

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You're a joke...  What didn't you understand?

Weasel words again, try putting the brain into gear.

Are you implying that Harper was the cause? Yes or no.

Even for one who's tends to have some comprehension difficulties that can't be too hard to figure out.

[Nationalist]

Simply amazing. 

"THERE WAS INFLATION IN THE HARPER YEARS! AHHH! TRUMP! AHHH!"

What a bunch o' twits.

And a year from now, once the carney completely fcks this country over...they'll be heard in Tim Hortons, while they munch on doughnuts their Muslim sweethearts spat on for them...

"BUT HOW WERE WE TO KNOW?"

M0rons...

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Your anti-liberal minds don't allow for much thought beyond your narrative, do they...   

I'm guessing you're also of the mindset that climate change is fake news so no need to reduce carbon emissions in this industry either, right...  

I think smart adaptation makes the most sense rather than only selected countries(all Western nations) having to bear the brunt of the costs of abandoning fossil fuels completely. And as usual, other nations like China and India are not held to the same standards as the West.

I do wonder about the impact of human activity on climate change. Is it minor or is it the main cause? The climate is always changing with both warming and cooling periods in its long history. 

We are bombarded with climate change alarmism all the time so don't be afraid to listen to the skeptics.

 

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

We wouldn't be overpopulated and cooking the planet.

So there are about 8.3 billion on the planet right now. Out of curiosity, what would you like that number to be at right now?

And what do you think about Western nations importing millions upon millions of people from the third-world who typically have very high birth rates?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Hey, you're the one who puts all his faith on an x on a ballot.

 

You mean the one who thinks democratic representation is good.  Yeah, that'd be me   No you, that's for sure. But thanks for admitting it  

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Said the loser. 

Awww.... sounds like mr cranky pants needs his cookie and his nap for the day   LOL

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You really don't have a clue do you?

 

Translation: "YOu're right and i now it but i don't want you to be right and it's your fault"  Yawn 

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It was completely the same. We chose to eschew nationalism, and then we chose globalization.

Nowhere near the same.  Literally every element is different. It was not an option in Canada.  I know, i know you're big mad that communism never caught on here but sadly for you it just never would have worked. 

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The real irony is that we still begged foreign corporations to come and develop us. That's about as pathetic as it gets.

And why would that be pathetic?  Trudeau guaranteed that our own industries were destroyed, so if we wanted the e (and we did) that's what was left to us

 

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Sure kid.

Sorry the truth hurt your feelings i gues?

 

[LinkSoul60]

15 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I think smart adaptation makes the most sense rather than only selected countries(all Western nations) having to bear the brunt of the costs of abandoning fossil fuels completely. And as usual, other nations like China and India are not held to the same standards as the West.

I do wonder about the impact of human activity on climate change. Is it minor or is it the main cause? The climate is always changing with both warming and cooling periods in its long history. 

We are bombarded with climate change alarmism all the time so don't be afraid to listen to the skeptics.

 

There was never an abandonment or even talk of abandoning fossil fuels.  That is not practical, or realistic.  

You can wonder as much as you like but the unequivocal fact is that climate change is a direct result of the fossil fuels we use to power our industries, vehicles, planes, etc, etc...   You mention China, who is still a developing country using a lot of conventional forms of energy, but is also the clear global leader in transitioning to clean energy solutions of solar and wind power.  The global investment in clean energy last year was $2.2 trillion which doubles the investment in conventional energy. That alone tells you which way the world is going, but here we are sitting next door to an administration that cares little for the environment ,and a portion of our country who's only idea of success is a pipeline. That's not forward thinking...

We should be alarmed....  The world is still going to be here long after after we're gone, but I'd like to think that mankind is smart enough to do it's best to see that the world is still around for those that come long after us.  Part of that responsibility is eliminating, or significantly reducing our reliance on fossil fuels.

My 2 cents...

2 hours ago, Legato said:

Weasel words again, try putting the brain into gear.

Are you implying that Harper was the cause? Yes or no.

Even for one who's tends to have some comprehension difficulties that can't be too hard to figure out.

I see you have comprehension challenges again....   

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

There was never an abandonment or even talk of abandoning fossil fuels.  That is not practical, or realistic.  

Sure there is.  That was the whole liberal stick for ages, we have to transition and leave the oil in the ground. That would be the specific end goal and everything would move towards that, with the industry getting smaller and smaller as fast as possible. 

And if climate change is a crisis, and if anything we can do will substantially affect it, then why can't you or anyone else who's asked provide ANY scientific data to show that 

If mankind were smart enough to do the right thing we would never have had trudeau. 

[Goddess]

I found this part of the Diary of a CEO interview very touching.  I like it when Poilievre talks about his kids.  I see him talk about stuff like this and see how much he loves and respects his wife and I just can't square it with the Liberal view of him as a cold, callous, evil monster.

 

 

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Sure there is.  That was the whole liberal stick for ages, we have to transition and leave the oil in the ground. That would be the specific end goal and everything would move towards that, with the industry getting smaller and smaller as fast as possible. 

I'm guessing it was the word 'transition' that you didn't pick up on?  Any sort of immediate abandonment of fossil fuels was not and is not practical.  

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And if climate change is a crisis, and if anything we can do will substantially affect it, then why can't you or anyone else who's asked provide ANY scientific data to show that 

We, and more so you have through this countless times with everyone.  The facts and data are easy to find.  Go fetch...

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

If mankind were smart enough to do the right thing we would never have had trudeau. 

I'm sure your parents have said the same thing...  

Edited April 3 by LinkSoul60

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

We are bombarded with climate change alarmism all the time so don't be afraid to listen to the skeptics.

Have you ever considered the economic catastrophism climate alarmists are bombarded with by terrified skeptics?

Everyone is being bombarded all the time.  Bombs are all anyone has left to fight with I guess.

[Legato]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

There was never an abandonment or even talk of abandoning fossil fuels.  That is not practical, or realistic.  

You can wonder as much as you like but the unequivocal fact is that climate change is a direct result of the fossil fuels we use to power our industries, vehicles, planes, etc, etc...   You mention China, who is still a developing country using a lot of conventional forms of energy, but is also the clear global leader in transitioning to clean energy solutions of solar and wind power.  The global investment in clean energy last year was $2.2 trillion which doubles the investment in conventional energy. That alone tells you which way the world is going, but here we are sitting next door to an administration that cares little for the environment ,and a portion of our country who's only idea of success is a pipeline. That's not forward thinking...

We should be alarmed....  The world is still going to be here long after after we're gone, but I'd like to think that mankind is smart enough to do it's best to see that the world is still around for those that come long after us.  Part of that responsibility is eliminating, or significantly reducing our reliance on fossil fuels.

My 2 cents...

I see you have comprehension challenges again....   

You a Cockatiel or a Cockatoo.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

So there are about 8.3 billion on the planet right now. Out of curiosity, what would you like that number to be at right now?

We'd probably all be a lot less stressed out if it was around the 3 billion or so it was when serious modern warnings about overpopulation started seeping into human consciousness 50-60 years ago. Scientific concerns actually go back thousands of years. The earliest known systematic warning about overpopulation appears in the Atrahasis Epic, an ancient Mesopotamian text dating back to approximately 1800 BCE.

Even 3 billion may be to much to hope that our planet's ecosystems wouldn't collapse trying to meet the demands of that many people living the dream most of us here have come to enjoy.

Some economists with a more Cornucopian outlook imagine it could be 10 billion or more. Some even say we should be aiming for that and predict it'll actually be the magic number at which we can safely have an economy that doesn't require anymore growth.

Right now however the thought of a zero growth economy is you know...the end of the world.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, ironstone said:

And what do you think about Western nations importing millions upon millions of people from the third-world who typically have very high birth rates?

They were probably terrified of the horrors of zero growth that economic catastrophists were alarmed about.

Personally I don't think you've seen anything yet, wait until climate charge alarmists predictions that 1.5 billion humans will be fleeing the growing areas that are becoming uninhabitable start becoming evident.

It's already happening in fact.

Edited April 3 by eyeball

[ironstone]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They were probably terrified of the horrors of zero growth that economic catastrophists were alarmed about.

Personally I don't think you've seen anything yet, wait until climate charge alarmists predictions that 1.5 billion humans will be fleeing the growing areas that are becoming uninhabitable start becoming evident.

It's already happening in fact.

There has always been some level of migration happening in human history long before the use of fossil fuels starting around the industrial revolution era. The mass immigration to the West is largely the result of incredibly foolish policies and the promise of free stuff to tens of millions of people from the third world that are going to keep having large families. They didn't practice birth control in the third world and they're not stopping when they arrive in the West.

It is disturbing to see videos from places like India where it's normal to toss garbage everywhere in already incredibly overcrowded cities. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You mean the one who thinks democratic representation is good.  Yeah, that'd be me

No you really don't at all. You're terrified of ordinary people having anymore power over their governance. You're a tru-blu partisan that's adamantly opposed to any reforms that would dilute party rule and dominance in our Parliamentary system.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No you really don't at all.

Sure I do. That's why you get so mad and frustrated and wind up needing your cookie in your nap.

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You're terrified of ordinary people having anymore power over their governance.

In fact the opposite is true. So I can only assume you're talking to your mirror

I constantly advocate for people to participate more in the political process. I regularly point out that voting day is the tail end of the process and people need to participate in all the other parts even more than voting day.  

I constantly beat you over the head with the fact that it is the voters job to hold the political parties and politiicans to account by using their vote to punish unethical and corrupt behavior. 

I'm a massive proponent of people having power over their gov't. I get mad that people don't exercise that power more 

YOU on the other hand have said there shouldn't be elections, elections are pointless, participating in the process is pointless and once again here were slagging the idea that voting has an impact. 

 

And when you get frustrated and feel stupid one thing you like to do is accuse others of your own failings. 

I'm all about pro power to the people, you're all about repressing them and shutting them up, and killing them if necessary which you've also frequently advocated for. 

Sorry kiddo  

 

 

[ironstone]

Auto sector subsidies in Canada.

The Canadian auto sector has received over $50 billion in pledged government subsidies, primarily for electric vehicle (EV) battery plants and manufacturing, according to Parliamentary Budget Officer estimates as of June 2024. While heavily focused on green transition, this reflects major investments by federal and provincial governments, including roughly $28.2 billion dedicated solely to Stellantis-LGES and Volkswagen battery plants by 2032. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Canadian auto production numbers, 2014-2025

Canadian auto production has experienced a significant downward trend over the last decade, with output falling from roughly 2.4 million vehicles in 2014 to approximately 1.2 million in 2025.

A 50% decline.

It will most certainly decline even more as cheap Chinese EV's enter the Canadian market in ever increasing numbers.

Kind of a disturbing trend to say the least.

I just watched Melanie Joly ramble on about how the Liberals are taking care of our auto sector.

How on earth can anyone defend the Liberal strategy here?

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nowhere near the same.  Literally every element is different. It was not an option in Canada.  I know, i know you're big mad that communism never caught on here but sadly for you it just never would have worked. 

So how do you explain Norway's success with a fraction of the amount of oil? The sovereign fund they created with their oil and gas is worth $2.2 trillion (US) - $340 thousand per Norwegian. This is what you're blaming communism for don't forget.

They're generally considered progressive like us and believe in a free-market economy with a robust welfare state, high taxation, and strong labor protections. But notice we increasingly suck at that too.

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And why would that be pathetic?

We had an even better opportunity than Norway and we fumbled it spectacularly because we couldn't bring ourselves to do it. Then we turned, not to mention subsidized, to foreigners to come develop us.

Apparently the irony still eludes you which is also pathetic in case you missed that.

[Reg Volk]

 

[Reg Volk]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So how do you explain Norway's success with a fraction of the amount of oil? The sovereign fund they created with their oil and gas is worth $2.2 trillion (US) - $340 thousand per Norwegian. This is what you're blaming communism for don't forget.

They're generally considered progressive like us and believe in a free-market economy with a robust welfare state, high taxation, and strong labor protections. But notice we increasingly suck at that too.

 

It's just so DUMB when an IDlOT Canadian pinko MOREON brings up Norway.  Those fools have huge giant tax rates that destroy anyone in Norway from earning any high rate income.  Their stupid VAT (GST) is 25%.  It's just so DUMB!  The Norwegian model is awful.  Anyone wanting to be like them is a bonehead, dumber than a bag of rocks.  Norway sucks.

[eyeball]

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm all about pro power to the people, you're all about repressing them and shutting them up, and killing them

Sure kid. Bwahahahaha!

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

The mass immigration to the West is largely the result of incredibly foolish policies

Starting with the fact we chose to be terrified of not growing the economy. And don't forget we were in a desperate race with every single economy on the planet to do the same thing.

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

It is disturbing to see videos from places like India where it's normal to toss garbage everywhere in already incredibly overcrowded cities.

Yes it is.

Canada is one of the biggest exporters of recyclable paper to India, but that paper is often contaminated with plastic waste, leaving a country struggling with its own waste management and pollution problems to deal with Canada’s dirty laundry.

https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/paper-trail

[eyeball]

56 minutes ago, Reg Volk said:

It's just so DUMB when an IDlOT Canadian pinko MOREON brings up Norway.  Those fools have huge giant tax rates that destroy anyone in Norway from earning any high rate income.  Their stupid VAT (GST) is 25%.  It's just so DUMB!  The Norwegian model is awful.  Anyone wanting to be like them is a bonehead, dumber than a bag of rocks.  Norway sucks.

They're happier than us according to all the graphs Debbie Downers around here like waving around to prove how miserable Canadians feel.

Maybe it's just you people.

Edited April 3 by eyeball