paxamericana Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 @robosmith change your post. It’s the DoW . We’re entering an imperialist era again. Time to plan the next conquest. Quote
User Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 5 hours ago, Aristides said: So who says no, we can’t do that? Asked and answered. 5 hours ago, Aristides said: You have a president threatening to revoke a US born American’s citizenship just because they said things about him he doesn’t like. Any other irrelevant distractions you want to throw out? 5 hours ago, Aristides said: What powers do you want him to have, or more to the point, not have. In this case, to the point, which has already been said, the President has the power and authority to act in defense of America from violent gangs that are engaged in drug trafficking to further their cause and harm to Americans. Quote
User Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 5 hours ago, herbie said: Who the hell claims they were terrorists? https://www.state.gov/designation-of-international-cartels " Today, the Department of State announces the designation of Tren de Aragua (TdA), Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), Cártel de Sinaloa, Cártel de Jalisco Nueva Generación (CJNG), Cártel del Noreste (CDN), La Nueva Familia Michoacana (LNFM), Cártel de Golfo (CDG), and Cárteles Unidos (CU) as Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) and Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs). TdA is a transnational organization that originated in Venezuela with cells in Colombia, Peru, and Chile, with further reports of sporadic presence in Ecuador, Bolivia, and Brazil. This brutal criminal group has conducted kidnappings, extorted businesses, bribed public officials, authorized its members to attack and kill U.S. law enforcement, and assassinated a Venezuelan opposition figure." Quote
Aristides Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 32 minutes ago, User said: Asked and answered. No you haven't. Congress does nothing to curb his actions and he ignores the courts. So who? Quote In this case, to the point, which has already been said, the President has the power and authority to act in defense of America from violent gangs that are engaged in drug trafficking to further their cause and harm to Americans. And who makes the decision who is a terrorist and what action is to be taken. Going to war was supposed to be the responsibility of Congress but the last war that Congress formally declared was WWII. How many wars has it been involved in since? Quote
User Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: No you haven't. 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: And who makes the decision who is a terrorist and what action is to be taken. Quote
robosmith Posted September 6, 2025 Author Report Posted September 6, 2025 6 hours ago, Legato said: Just imagine if Obama had sunk the drug boat. Thumbs up all round. The false indignation because it's Trump just shows the rabid hypocrisy. Just imagine if Trump was as honest as Obama, we would be able to believe there really were "terrorists" on that boat. Trouble is, ONLY MAGA believes anything pathological LIAR Trump says. Quote
robosmith Posted September 6, 2025 Author Report Posted September 6, 2025 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: Are you saying that NO US president has ordered the deaths of terrorist, what happens to Osama bin laden...did he have a court date.... We were at war with Afghanistan over OBL attacking US. Duh We're NOT at war with Venezuela. 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes they are , however it has already been discussed that cartels were now classified as terrorist groups , making them legitimate targets...Do you really think your military would not have researched the targets before engaging...i mean come on... NOT under International law. You are naïve if you believe ANYTHING Trump says about anything. 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: Your right i don't know trump, buy don't think for one second he is the first President to have ordered the killing of terrorist... Trump is a proven LIAR, so his declarations of TERRORIST have NO CREDIBILITY. 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: The US is involved in the war on terror, these guys are terrorist....you don't have to be at war to kill terrorist...why is that so hard to acknowledge...the US is not the only country that does this... Drug dealers don't meet any valid definition of "terrorist." They sell drugs to people who want to buy them. MORE EVIDENCE vs. YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF EVIDENCE Quote No, the U.S. government cannot legally declare any person a terrorist and assassinate them. Such actions are explicitly banned by executive order and subject to constitutional and international law restraints, including the right to due process. Key constraints and legal standards: Assassination ban: Executive Order 12333, first signed by President Reagan in 1981 and still in effect, explicitly states: "No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination". Constitutional due process: The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees that no person shall be deprived of "life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". Due process requires fair legal proceedings before the government can take action that deprives an individual of their life. Imminent threat standard: The government's ability to use lethal force is not unlimited. According to U.S. policy, lethal force can only be used as a last resort against an individual—even a U.S. citizen—who poses a "continuing, imminent threat of violent attack against the United States" and when capture is not feasible. This standard has been subject to legal challenge and debate. Judicial process: The ACLU and other civil liberty groups have argued that the executive branch's targeted killing program, especially when applied to U.S. citizens abroad, bypasses fundamental judicial processes required by the Constitution. This raises serious questions about whether the government is providing adequate due process before taking a person's life. International law: Outside of armed conflict zones, international law also prohibits targeted killing unless it is the only way to avert an "imminent threat to human life". The case of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen killed by a U.S. drone strike in Yemen in 2011, highlighted the controversy over this issue. While the government argued the killing was lawful because he posed an "imminent threat" as a senior al-Qaida leader, civil liberties groups sued, asserting it was an extrajudicial killing without due process. The legal arguments regarding the scope of executive authority in such cases are still debated among legal scholars and civil rights advocates Quote
robosmith Posted September 6, 2025 Author Report Posted September 6, 2025 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: Osama bin ladin...how did he end up dead....who killed him and who authorized that mission, he was Americas most wanted terrorist for a long time, wanted dead or alive...the list is endless... No they don't, but your president declared them terrorist which open up a whole new bag of options to target these guys... your an American FFS do some of your own research...American SF forces have been killing terrorist for decades now...are you suggesting they were wrong... OBL planned and carried out a horrendous attack on the US. NOT COMPARABLE to 11 guys in a boat 1000 miles away. Duh Quote
robosmith Posted September 6, 2025 Author Report Posted September 6, 2025 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: Again do some research , this is not the first time US military forces have engaged terrorist... You're making an unprecedented claim so the burden of research is ON YOU. PROVE they have obliterated a civilian boat in international waters ON PURPOSE. Until then you got BUPKIS. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American 2 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Legato Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 7 hours ago, robosmith said: Just imagine if Trump was as honest as Obama, we would be able to believe there really were "terrorists" on that boat. Trouble is, ONLY MAGA believes anything pathological LIAR Trump says. No politician has inherant honesty, Obama included. Obama was just a more convincing liar. Quote
Nationalist Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 28 minutes ago, Legato said: No politician has inherant honesty, Obama included. Obama was just a more convincing liar. Meh...pansies like @robosmith constantly accuse Trump of lying. Yet once his words are actually read, we generally find no lies. They think if they say it often enough, it'll become true. And that has worked in the past. But the Libbies have been caught fabricating their own reality so many times in recent years, that nobody really believes them anymore. They've become the brunt of a bad joke. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 9 hours ago, robosmith said: We were at war with Afghanistan over OBL attacking US. Duh We're NOT at war with Venezuela. We were not at war with Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan... 9 hours ago, robosmith said: NOT under International law. You are naïve if you believe ANYTHING Trump says about anything. What international law is America subject to that was violated here? 9 hours ago, robosmith said: Trump is a proven LIAR, so his declarations of TERRORIST have NO CREDIBILITY. It was not his declaration; it was the government, specifically the State Department. 9 hours ago, robosmith said: Drug dealers don't meet any valid definition of "terrorist." They sell drugs to people who want to buy them. https://www.state.gov/designation-of-international-cartels " Today, the Department of State announces the designation of Tren de Aragua (TdA), Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), Cártel de Sinaloa, Cártel de Jalisco Nueva Generación (CJNG), Cártel del Noreste (CDN), La Nueva Familia Michoacana (LNFM), Cártel de Golfo (CDG), and Cárteles Unidos (CU) as Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) and Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs). TdA is a transnational organization that originated in Venezuela with cells in Colombia, Peru, and Chile, with further reports of sporadic presence in Ecuador, Bolivia, and Brazil. This brutal criminal group has conducted kidnappings, extorted businesses, bribed public officials, authorized its members to attack and kill U.S. law enforcement, and assassinated a Venezuelan opposition figure." Quote
Army Guy Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 (edited) 9 hours ago, robosmith said: We were at war with Afghanistan over OBL attacking US. Duh We're NOT at war with Venezuela. NOT under International law. You are naïve if you believe ANYTHING Trump says about anything. Trump is a proven LIAR, so his declarations of TERRORIST have NO CREDIBILITY. Drug dealers don't meet any valid definition of "terrorist." They sell drugs to people who want to buy them. MORE EVIDENCE vs. YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF EVIDENCE Not one country involved in the Afghanistan conflict had declared war...Go figure... Neither was the US or any of the allied involved in Afghanistan, how do you explain that...not even sure how that relates to Venezuela anyways it happened in inter national waters...so it was not directed at any nation, but rather known terrorists... Inter national law has nothing to do with it...This is all about national policy, and national security...and if it was illegal as you say it is , why is nobody doing anything about it...instead there is radio silence in America...and globally... They do have credibility, has Canada has followed suit in declared 7 Cartels organizations as terrorist.... They do met most criteria...read the definition again... Last year alone 108,000 US citizens died of drug over doses...to put that into context just over 3000 US Citizens dies in the twin towers and the US mobilized its military and pounded Afghanistan like a cheap hooker....with 108,000 citizens dead US should be gearing up for war.... Again your evidence does not reflect reality, Is trump being charged for declaring them terrorist....has anyone talked about charging him, Has anyone questioned why Canada followed suit and declared 7 cartels Terrorist...which points to one direction Trumps declaration must have legal standing...despite your so call evidence....that has not source document... Edited September 6, 2025 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 9 hours ago, robosmith said: OBL planned and carried out a horrendous attack on the US. NOT COMPARABLE to 11 guys in a boat 1000 miles away. Duh You asked for examples of US military forces being used to kill terrorist i gave you several.... What difference does it make how they died, be it bullets from SF guys or a bomb dropped or missle fired the result is the same They US has killed terrorist with out any court documents or permissions those permission come for the President...including those from the democratic party... Remember Capt Phillps, Naval seals killed all his terrorist in inter national waters , and nobody blinked an eye.. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
robosmith Posted September 6, 2025 Author Report Posted September 6, 2025 2 hours ago, Legato said: No politician has inherant honesty, Obama included. Obama was just a more convincing liar. Nope. Trump is the BIGGEST LIAR ever to occupy the WH. He OFTEN contradicts HIMSELF within DAYS. But what would YOU KNOW about that, Canuck? You only get half the story at best from FOS LIES. 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Meh...pansies like @robosmith constantly accuse Trump of lying. Yet once his words are actually read, we generally find no lies. They think if they say it often enough, it'll become true. And that has worked in the past. But the Libbies have been caught fabricating their own reality so many times in recent years, that nobody really believes them anymore. They've become the brunt of a bad joke. You are the bad joke. Trump OFTEN contradicts HIMSELF within DAYS. Quote
robosmith Posted September 6, 2025 Author Report Posted September 6, 2025 15 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Not one country involved in the Afghanistan conflict had declared war...Go figure... 15 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Neither was the US or any of the allied involved in Afghanistan, how do you explain that...not even sure how that relates to Venezuela anyways it happened in inter national waters...so it was not directed at any nation, but rather known terrorists... Inter national law has nothing to do with it...This is all about national policy, and national security...and if it was illegal as you say it is , why is nobody doing anything about it...instead there is radio silence in America...and globally... They do have credibility, has Canada has followed suit in declared 7 Cartels organizations as terrorist.... They do met most criteria...read the definition again... Last year alone 108,000 US citizens died of drug over doses...to put that into context just over 3000 US Citizens dies in the twin towers and the US mobilized its military and pounded Afghanistan like a cheap hooker....with 108,000 citizens dead US should be gearing up for war.... Again your evidence does not reflect reality, Is trump being charged for declaring them terrorist....has anyone talked about charging him, Has anyone questioned why Canada followed suit and declared 7 cartels Terrorist...which points to one direction Trumps declaration must have legal standing...despite your so call evidence....that has not source document... The Afghan government was harboring OBL AND his minions were SEEN TRAINING THERE. Did you miss that video? LMAO Yes EXPERTS have talked about charging Trump. Apparently you have not yet figured out that the Republican Senate has been shirking their oversight responsibilities for YEARS NOW because the MAGA BASE is INSANE. Quote
Legato Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 6 minutes ago, robosmith said: Nope. Trump is the BIGGEST LIAR ever to occupy the WH. He OFTEN contradicts HIMSELF within DAYS. But what would YOU KNOW about that, Canuck? You only get half the story at best from FOS LIES. Trump has has a long way to go to reach your level. Quote
robosmith Posted September 6, 2025 Author Report Posted September 6, 2025 14 minutes ago, Army Guy said: You asked for examples of US military forces being used to kill terrorist i gave you several.... What difference does it make how they died, be it bullets from SF guys or a bomb dropped or missle fired the result is the same They US has killed terrorist with out any court documents or permissions those permission come for the President...including those from the democratic party... Remember Capt Phillps, Naval seals killed all his terrorist in inter national waters , and nobody blinked an eye.. What makes a difference is mistaken collateral damage vs OBVIOUS TARGETING. Just now, Legato said: Trump has has a long way to go to reach your level. You surpass him on a weekly basis, clown. Quote
Legato Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 1 minute ago, robosmith said: What makes a difference is mistaken collateral damage vs OBVIOUS TARGETING. You surpass him on a weekly basis, clown. I do my best, how about you? Quote
Army Guy Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 10 hours ago, robosmith said: OBL planned and carried out a horrendous attack on the US. NOT COMPARABLE to 11 guys in a boat 1000 miles away. Duh And we could ask about the other 12 Terrorist groups that US forces attacked trying to get at Osama, what was their crimes, other than being terrorist groups... YA, because both had been authorized by the president of the US...you make the assumption that the president has not checked though his staff to see if this could be done, you also assume the US military did not double check to make sure this was legal.... Are you saying his staff is incompetent and if they were, why has nobody spoke up and demanded some kind of action, or laid charges....i know a lot of crickets here... we will see in a couple of weeks when the next boat gets blown up....or he is arrested... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 5 minutes ago, robosmith said: The Afghan government was harboring OBL AND his minions were SEEN TRAINING THERE. Did you miss that video? LMAO Yes EXPERTS have talked about charging Trump. Apparently you have not yet figured out that the Republican Senate has been shirking their oversight responsibilities for YEARS NOW because the MAGA BASE is INSANE. You said the US was at war with Afghanistan which they were not....no one in that coalition declared war.....So why would the US have to declare war on Venezuela before taking action on terrorist....your statement not mine... Thing about talking is it is cheap, everyone does it, if they had any proof they would have charged him by now... I think all politics is insane, and the left has more than it's share of crazies as well, your saying that everyone is afraid of what Mega might do if they bring up charges.... I don't believe that at all, and if it is true then Trump, is free to do what ever he wants, why hasn't he.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
User Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 27 minutes ago, robosmith said: The Afghan government was harboring OBL AND his minions were SEEN TRAINING THERE. Did you miss that video? LMAO A violent extremist gang known for its terrorist threats, a declared terrorist organization, was smuggling drugs as part of its funding operations that both directly and indirectly harms Americans. We blew them up for it. Did you miss that video? LMAO 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 16 minutes ago, robosmith said: What makes a difference is mistaken collateral damage vs OBVIOUS TARGETING. You surpass him on a weekly basis, clown. IS the US at war with houtis in Yemen ? The US declared them to be terrorist organization, long ago... and US military forces have been bombing the crap out of them....with bombs and missiles.....I am having difficulties finding the difference between killing any terrorist group by any means...You say drug dealers are not terrorist, and yet, some how your president and my Prime Minister declared 7 drug cartels terrorist groups...despite all the legal advice they would have needed to take before such a declaration... I've given you many examples of US military forces being used to kill foreign terrorist on foreign soil, and yet your finding it hard to imagine your country has been doing this for decades...the fact that my country has being doing it since the war on terror started....along with most western nations....plenty of examples on goggle...all of them have been toughly vetted, by legal departments, inter national law, vetted through defense department, intel etc... all of this and much more happens before the military get the green lite to target someone or something.... this just does happen with a phone call from trump wanting to blow something up.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
robosmith Posted September 6, 2025 Author Report Posted September 6, 2025 28 minutes ago, Army Guy said: And we could ask about the other 12 Terrorist groups that US forces attacked trying to get at Osama, what was their crimes, other than being terrorist groups... YA, because both had been authorized by the president of the US...you make the assumption that the president has not checked though his staff to see if this could be done, you also assume the US military did not double check to make sure this was legal.... Are you saying his staff is incompetent and if they were, why has nobody spoke up and demanded some kind of action, or laid charges....i know a lot of crickets here... we will see in a couple of weeks when the next boat gets blown up....or he is arrested... Hegseth is sycophantic CLOWN who will do whatever Trump says without checking shit. 19 minutes ago, Army Guy said: You said the US was at war with Afghanistan which they were not....no one in that coalition declared war.....So why would the US have to declare war on Venezuela before taking action on terrorist....your statement not mine... Thing about talking is it is cheap, everyone does it, if they had any proof they would have charged him by now... I think all politics is insane, and the left has more than it's share of crazies as well, your saying that everyone is afraid of what Mega might do if they bring up charges.... I don't believe that at all, and if it is true then Trump, is free to do what ever he wants, why hasn't he.... You must be joking. We were at war in Afghanistan for 20 years before Biden pulled us out. Quote
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