Why should we hate Nazis?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

You are lying again.  People with no criminal record are not criminals.   

 People who Commit crimes are criminals regardless of whether or not they have been convicted. If they are convicted of their crimes then they are convicted criminals

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yes they are. Roughly 90% of asylum cases are denied. They are violating immigration law.

If you are saying they are denied asylum because they crossed the border illegally, then the U.S. is violating the Bible.   The Bible says nothing about foreigners needing to be approved for admittance to a country to be treated with love, compassion and respect.  Just arbitrarily rejecting people  because they were not admitted according to an immigration procedure is not giving consideration to their status as refugees or asylum seekers.  What you are saying is an admission of blanket rejection of people the Bible says must be treated with compassion and respect.

A law that rejects people because they did not apply and receive immigration status in order to enter the country is not following the verses I quoted you in the Bible.  There is nothing in those verses that says people can be rejected or deported if the migrant didn't go through the hoops to obtain some sort of immigration status.  

The fact 90% are rejected proves nothing.  It does not prove they are not legitimate refugees.  All it proves is your country is not accepting migrants or accepts very few.  The 10% they accept might be only those who they see as a clear economic benefit because of their skills, ability, education or some other benefit to the country.

Do you think extreme poverty where a person cannot feed themselves or their family is a legitimate reason to claim refugee status?  What about if they were living in a high crime area which endangers them and their families?

Edited August 18, 2025 by blackbird

[gatomontes99]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

If you are saying they are denied asylum because they crossed the border illegally, then the U.S. is violating the Bible.   

Nope, no one is saying that. How did you come up with that?

 

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

The fact 90% are rejected proves nothing

Yes it does. It was proven, in a court of law, that their asylum claims are not asylum. Just saying asylum does not make it legal. They have to meet a specific set of criteria. 

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Do you think extreme poverty where a person cannot feed themselves or their family is a legitimate reason to claim refugee status?  What about if they were living in a high crime area which endangers them and their families?

Per the law, those are not exceptions to our immigrations laws. 

Edited August 18, 2025 by gatomontes99

[Nationalist]

On 8/11/2025 at 4:18 PM, eyeball said:

When it was hatched as an idea it probably made very good sense. But you know what they say about mice, men and the best laid plans.

I don't know, maybe if they'd left Ivan Rand out of it things would have worked out better.

Taking Palistine the way they did made it all sour milk. It's been sour ever since. 

[blackbird]

7 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

If you are saying they are denied asylum because they crossed the border illegally, then the U.S. is violating the Bible.   

Nope, no one is saying that. How did you come up with that?

You are not telling the truth.   You, User, Nationalist have said all along they are criminals because they crossed the border illegally.  That is your definition of criminal regardless of the fact they have good reason to move to America.  Many were likely escaping extreme poverty or dangerous criminals.  That is good enough reason for any rational person.

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are not telling the truth.   You, User, Nationalist have said all along they are criminals because they crossed the border illegally.  That is your definition of criminal regardless of the fact they have good reason to move to America.  Many were likely escaping extreme poverty or dangerous criminals.  That is good enough reason for any rational person.

No...but it's a good enough reason for soft-touch, wishy-washy twits who dont consider the existing citizenry.

Your feelings are only important to you.

[User]

28 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are not telling the truth.   You, User, Nationalist have said all along they are criminals because they crossed the border illegally.  That is your definition of criminal regardless of the fact they have good reason to move to America.  Many were likely escaping extreme poverty or dangerous criminals.  That is good enough reason for any rational person.

I might have a good reason to rob you... doesn't make robbery legal. 

Crossing the border unlawfully IS a crime. That is a literal fact. It is the law. It is not my definition, it is THE definition. 

You trying to say someone has a good reason doesn't change that. 

 

[User]

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

If you are saying they are denied asylum because they crossed the border illegally, then the U.S. is violating the Bible.   

Well, first, US Law is not based on the Bible, Second, this is not violating the Bible. 

You made this bad argument before, and the best you have is one scripture from the Old Testament that you are distorting out of context. 

That is hardly a sound doctrinal position. 

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You are not telling the truth.   You, User, Nationalist have said all along they are criminals because they crossed the border illegally.

That is the definition of illegal aliens. And breaking the law does nake you a criminal. 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Many were likely escaping extreme poverty or dangerous criminals.  That is good enough reason for any rational person.

Ah, this is such a wonderful justification. The good ole "well, I think that's how it should be so, clearly, every other rational person thinks the same way as I do" argument. It is a good debate technique to eliminate elevating your opinion by falsely attributing it to every rational person. All you are accomplishing is a backhanded insult. 

The reality is that what you call "plenty of justification for a rational person" wasn't enough justification to be codified into law. We do have exemptions for refugees and political asylum. Poverty and gangs are not listed. 

[Moonbox]

On 8/15/2025 at 9:31 AM, I am Groot said:

Don't be a fool. It's a militant ideology. It comes complete with a legal code for both family and criminal law, and a style of government.

So does the Bible, and only the crazies follow it to the letter.  Like any ancient religious text, it's open to interpretation.  There are lots of Muslims who follow draconian and/or militant ideology (like Wahhabism), and others that are more progressive.  Just as Christianity and Judaism have diverse sects and beliefs, so too does Islam.  It's weird that you're still posting these absurdist generalizations, when that's the whole point of my critique of your post.  You have this goofy idea that TheLeft™ and Islam™ are unified brands with codified thinking, and that you can just argue against the dumbest version of both.  By that logic I can start lumping you in with the MAGA donkeys because they hate Muslims, just like you.  🙃

Edited August 18, 2025 by Moonbox

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, User said:

I might have a good reason to rob you... doesn't make robbery legal. 

Crossing the border unlawfully IS a crime. That is a literal fact. It is the law. It is not my definition, it is THE definition. 

You trying to say someone has a good reason doesn't change that. 

 

Sorry bud, but the Bible says otherwise.   What is written in law may be contrary to the Bible and the International conventions on treatment of asylum seekers.

You can hide behind the law, but then you have abandoned the Bible to do so.  You have chosen which one you believe in and agree with.  It is not the Bible.

"

We all desire to belong, and welcoming strangers is an essential part of building a loving community. The Bible emphasizes hospitality and kindness towards those who may be different from us. By doing so, we create an atmosphere where everyone feels valued and accepted. God calls us to open our hearts and homes, offering a safe haven to those seeking comfort and friendship. In our journey of faith, we should strive to be intentional about embracing the diverse backgrounds and stories of others, demonstrating that love knows no boundaries.

Leviticus 19:34

“The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.” – Leviticus 19:34

This verse emphasizes the importance of treating foreigners with the same love and respect as our own family. It serves as a reminder of our shared humanity and the compassion we should extend to others.

Exodus 22:21

“Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.” – Exodus 22:21

We are reminded of our own history as we face the call to treat foreigners kindly. Having been on a similar journey ourselves, we should reflect this understanding in our actions today.

Hebrews 13:2

“Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.” – Hebrews 13:2

This verse encourages us to practice hospitality, as our simple kindness may have far-reaching effects. We never know who might walk through our doors, and our hospitality could bless them immensely.

Matthew 25:35

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.” – Matthew 25:35

Here, Jesus links the act of welcoming others with caring for Him. Whenever we reach out to those in need, we are performing an act of love that honors Him and demonstrates our commitment to service.

Romans 15:7

“Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.” – Romans 15:7

This verse calls us to mirror Christ’s acceptance in our relationships. By welcoming others, we contribute to a harmonious community and reflect God’s love in action.   unquote

35 Important Bible Verses About Foreigners Assimilation (With Commentary) - Explaining the Bible

[CdnFox]

58 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Sorry bud, but the Bible says otherwise.   What is written in law may be contrary to the Bible and the International conventions on treatment of asylum seekers.

You can hide behind the law, but then you have abandoned the Bible to do so.  You have chosen which one you believe in and agree with.  It is not the Bible.

"

We all desire to belong, and welcoming strangers is an essential part of building a loving community. The Bible emphasizes hospitality and kindness towards those who may be different from us. By doing so, we create an atmosphere where everyone feels valued and accepted. God calls us to open our hearts and homes, offering a safe haven to those seeking comfort and friendship. In our journey of faith, we should strive to be intentional about embracing the diverse backgrounds and stories of others, demonstrating that love knows no boundaries.

Leviticus 19:34

“The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.” – Leviticus 19:34

This verse emphasizes the importance of treating foreigners with the same love and respect as our own family. It serves as a reminder of our shared humanity and the compassion we should extend to others.

Exodus 22:21

“Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.” – Exodus 22:21

We are reminded of our own history as we face the call to treat foreigners kindly. Having been on a similar journey ourselves, we should reflect this understanding in our actions today.

Hebrews 13:2

“Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.” – Hebrews 13:2

This verse encourages us to practice hospitality, as our simple kindness may have far-reaching effects. We never know who might walk through our doors, and our hospitality could bless them immensely.

Matthew 25:35

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.” – Matthew 25:35

Here, Jesus links the act of welcoming others with caring for Him. Whenever we reach out to those in need, we are performing an act of love that honors Him and demonstrates our commitment to service.

Romans 15:7

“Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.” – Romans 15:7

This verse calls us to mirror Christ’s acceptance in our relationships. By welcoming others, we contribute to a harmonious community and reflect God’s love in action.   unquote

35 Important Bible Verses About Foreigners Assimilation (With Commentary) - Explaining the Bible

Nobody gives a shit about your imaginary friend.

The United nations recognizes the right of every nation to create its own laws. Agreements with the united nations are only agreements

They're in violation of the united states laws and they are in violation of the definition of refugee. The united states has every right to kick them out and you are misunderstanding of the bible does not change that in the slightest

[blackbird]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody gives a shit about your imaginary friend.

You're very wrong.  There are millions of believers in God and the Bible, his written revelation.  So it doesn't matter what you say, the truth which is in the Bible is still the truth.  God is the judge and there is a judgment day for everyone, whether you believe it or not.  If you don't, you're in for a surprise.

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The united states has every right to kick them out and you are misunderstanding of the bible does not change that in the slightest

I never said it will change anything.  However, what God says remains the truth and the last word.  Believe me God will have the last word.  The Bible promises "27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: "  Hebrews 9:27 KJV

It's what each person believes that God looks at.  How one treats his fellow man is important, even in a forum where opinions are expressed.  God sees everything. 

None of us are perfect, but we have the Bible to guide us.  That shows us how to get to heaven and avoid going to hell. 

Even if we don't have the power to change the way governments or the world operate, God still looks at how we think and what we believe.  That is vitally important.

[User]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Sorry bud, but the Bible says otherwise.   What is written in law may be contrary to the Bible and the International conventions on treatment of asylum seekers.

Yes, you keep making this claim about international conventions on the treatment of asylum seekers, and you NEVER back it up with actually quoting the precise legal framework you are using. 

Also, I have already explained to you how you were contorting Leviticus 19:34... you are incapable of making your own arguments, so you just copy and paste. 

None of the verses you quoted are about how a nation can have no borders, laws enforcing them, and can't deport people... they are all vague and generic about treating people well. 

 

[blackbird]

38 minutes ago, User said:

None of the verses you quoted are about how a nation can have no borders, laws enforcing them, and can't deport people... they are all vague and generic about treating people well. 

 

You are strangely very blind to the simple wording in the verses about how to treat foreigners.  Any normal person would read the verses and see it is very simple and clear.  Having a border and laws against people coming in does not negate what those verses are saying.  The Bible is clear on how foreigners must be treated.  

“34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. "  Leviticus 19:34  KJV

This verse emphasizes the importance of treating foreigners with the same love and respect as our own family.  It serves as a reminder of our shared humanity and the compassion we should extend to others.

Nothing vague about it.

[User]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are strangely very blind to the simple wording in the verses about how to treat foreigners. 

We are not talking about how to vaguely treat foreigners. YOU are trying to push a doctrinal position against a nation having any borders and enforcing them when you don't have any scriptural basis to do so. 

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This verse emphasizes the importance of treating foreigners with the same love and respect as our own family.  It serves as a reminder of our shared humanity and the compassion we should extend to others.

Once again, I have already responded to this verse and how you are butchering it. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

You're very wrong. 

I'm entirely right. Look at the world around you.  NOBODY gives a shit about your imaginary friend these days. 

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I never said it will change anything. 

then it's not relevant and not worth mentioning. 

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Even if we don't have the power to change the way governments or the world operate, God still looks at how we think and what we believe.  That is vitally important.

 

well hopefully he's got a nice cloud set aside in a mental health portion of heaven for you.

In the meantime, what's happening to the illegal immigrants is both moral and lawful. 

And do you know how i know you know i'm right?  Because I pointed out that if you really feel different you should be pushing for a change to the law. But you're not.  And that tells us all we need to know.  Hypocrite. 

[CDN1]

 

You're going to be seeing a lot more of these incidents picking up, targeting children like they've done throughout Europe.

 

"Moderate" Islam is a trojan horse. Who do you think they side with when Muslim populations in the West reach a critical mass and aim to flex their democratic power as an ethnic/religious voting block? 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 21, 2025 by CDN1

[Venandi]

On 8/18/2025 at 10:43 PM, blackbird said:

This verse emphasizes the importance of treating foreigners with the same love and respect as our own family.

Thinking of these folks (biblically) as being nothing more than innocuous strangers, travellers, and foreigners is serving you (meaning us) badly. What seems to be missing here is discretion and a sense of proportion. 

Discretion is the key (and sadly lacking) factor IMO, I'm not saying don't do it, but if you are then "beware lest thou embrace the cobra as friend."

I would observe that deliberately Importing enemies who hate you, who fundamentally despise your way of life including the very religion that furthers their efforts is foolish.

I don't mean refugees who are escaping a harsh life, I mean people who utterly reject the foundations of your society (secular democracy).  

Aiding and assisting them in forming demographic concentrations with the intent of weaponizing your own values and laws against you is even worse. They see your kindness as weakness, in their eyes it stands a proof that they're right and that their God has paved the way for their efforts against you.

Clearly not all foreigners are enemies but please take a moment to acknowledge the reality that some are... if you open your borders to all without discretion (and lack of discretion is being kind here) you risk bringing what was "over there over here" in sufficient numbers to create the sort of havoc that begs for (demands and votes for) the type of draconian backlash that endangers the very people you rightly seek to defend. 

My fear is that within a few years the backlash I speak of will start to manifest itself.... if/when it does I'll probably ask "what did you think was going to happen?" What I'm really suggesting is that now is a good time to start thinking about your answer.

Lot's more where this came from:

“Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings”.

 

Edited August 21, 2025 by Venandi

[Gaétan]

The Israeli army that massacres Palestinians and destroys everything in Gaza can be compared to a Nazi army, and those who supply them with ammunition to do so are akin to Nazis.

[I am Groot]

On 8/18/2025 at 4:54 PM, Moonbox said:

So does the Bible,

No, it does not. 

On 8/18/2025 at 4:54 PM, Moonbox said:

and only the crazies follow it to the letter.  Like any ancient religious text, it's open to interpretation.  There are lots of Muslims who follow draconian and/or militant ideology (like Wahhabism), and others that are more progressive. 

Really? There are two billion Muslims. How many are progressive? How many progressive Muslim states are there out of about fifty? How many of those 50 treat men and women equally in law and politics? How many treat unbelievers equally with Muslims? How many gay pride parades are there in Muslim states?

On 8/18/2025 at 4:54 PM, Moonbox said:

You have this goofy idea that TheLeft™ and Islam™ are unified brands with codified thinking, and that you can just argue against the dumbest version of both.  By that logic I can start lumping you in with the MAGA donkeys because they hate Muslims, just like you.  🙃

But I openly oppose MAGA donkeys. How many Muslims openly oppose what YOU are calling the more draconian ideology of Islam? Incidentally, you won't find any Islamic scholars who agree with you. To them, there is Islam and the Quran. Either you believe the Quran is the literal word of God and follow its dictates or you are not a Muslim.

And how many leftists argue against the 'draconian' aspects of Islam? How many Leftists in Canada are giving speeches in mosques (Ha!) about how they should be more tolerant towards LGBT people and Jews, and how women should be treated equally? When Liberal/NDP politicians go to mosques, as they do regularly to try to get votes, how many EVER tell Muslims they need to adapt to Canada and abandon these barbaric notions about killing apostates and blasphemers? None. Not if they hope to get Muslim votes.

I'm sure there are some moderate Muslims, but in a Muslim state, those people don't matter. They have no power, and no one cares what they think. If they open their mouths to argue against some aspect of the Quran, they risk being imprisoned or killed. In Pakistan, the Minister for Minorities said the blasphemy laws were unfair to minorities. She was killed. The governor of the Punjab said the blasphemy laws were barbaric. His own bodyguard killed him. No one argues against blasphemy laws in Pakistan anymore.

Edited August 21, 2025 by I am Groot

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The Israeli army that massacres Palestinians and destroys everything in Gaza can be compared to a Nazi army, and those who supply them with ammunition to do so are akin to Nazis.

Do you think Israel should destroy Hamas?

[User]

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The Israeli army that massacres Palestinians and destroys everything in Gaza can be compared to a Nazi army, and those who supply them with ammunition to do so are akin to Nazis.

None of this is happening... 

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

I would observe that deliberately Importing enemies who hate you, who fundamentally despise your way of life including the very religion that furthers their efforts is foolish.

That sounds more like a fabricated generalization than reality.  How you treat other people such as undocumented migrants has a major bearing on how they think.  If you treat them like enemies, you can expect them to have a different opinion of you.  If the government treats them like alien enemies, that will of course have an effect on how they think and act.  Unfortunately politics often adds more problems to society than it solves.

I would encourage you to do some studying of various websites on undocumented migrants.  They are a very diverse group of people.

This website gives a little information.  You can go to the link and read the whole article.  There are many other websites that give lots of information on who these people are and what they do.

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In the public’s mind, the undocumented — the people living here without permission from the American government — are Hispanic, mostly Mexican and crossed the southwestern border in secret.

In the eyes of their advocates, they are families and workers, taking the jobs nobody else wants, staying out of trouble, here only to earn their way to better, safer lives for themselves and their children.

At the White House, they are pariahs, criminals who menace American neighborhoods, take American jobs, sap American resources and exploit American generosity: They are people who should be, and will be, expelled.

Illegal immigrants can be many of these things, and more. Eleven million allows for considerable range, crosshatched with contradictions.

There may be no more powerful symbol of how fixedly Americans associate illegal immigration with Mexico than the wall President Trump has proposed building along the southern border. But many of the unauthorized are not Mexican; almost a quarter are not even Hispanic.

Countries of origin for unauthorized immigrants in the U.S.

Guatemala

723,000

El Salvador

465,000

Honduras

337,000

China

268,000

India

267,000

Korea

198,000

Mexico

6.2 million

 

Ecuador

Philippines

Colombia

Other countries

2.1 million

After Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, the largest number of unauthorized immigrants comes from China (an estimated 268,000), where deportations run aground on a less literal wall: China is one of 23 countries that do not cooperate with deportations. (The Trump administration has pledged to pressure all 23 into doing so.)

They tend to be younger — the Pew Research Center has found that adult unauthorized immigrants were, at the median, about a decade younger than American-born adults — and skew slightly more male than the rest of the country.

Geography and demography are only two ways to anatomize these 11 million. Circumstance offers another: As he seeks to tighten law enforcement’s grip on unauthorized immigrants, Mr. Trump will grapple with a population of people who arrived in several ways and for myriad reasons, each slice presenting its own challenges.  unquote

Here’s the Reality About Illegal Immigrants in the United States - The New York Times

That is only part of the article.  Go to the link to read the whole thing.

I suggest you read various websites and not rely on just one article written by perhaps one author.

 

Edited August 21, 2025 by blackbird

[Venandi]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

That sounds more like a fabricated generalization than reality

You forgot racist, Nazi, xenophobiac and Islamamaphobiac.    

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

.... you can expect them to have a different opinion of you

They already do at a fundamental and irreconcilable level, and then some, that's the problem and I don't think you appreciate the depth of it.

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

I would encourage you to do some studying of various websites on undocumented migrants.  

 

I would encourage you to spend some time in their home country, absorb the cultural norms /traditions / religious beliefs / tolerance of others who are different... then see if you truly believe they're compatible with a secular democracy. Can I assume you want to maintain that? If not proceed on course.

Islam works BTW and there's no denying it... you just won't like being subjected to it. 

 

Edited August 21, 2025 by Venandi