From the people who brought you covid lockdowns, All people banned from wilderness (now with snitch line!)

[Venandi]

17 hours ago, Army Guy said:

.... so why are we not fining everyone 25 k for serious offenses...

The fine is excessive because they want to dissuade the average person from challenging it; you have to be charged to do that and most people simply can't afford their day in court when the stakes are that high. 

I think the government believes it will lose at the superior / supreme court level.  

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

What kind of forest management are you suggesting?

Unless you're trying to claim there is NONE POSSIBLE that's a  stupid quesiton.

There are a number of forest management practices that can help prevent or minimize forest fires, the best one would have to be chosen by the people on the ground who are experts. 

But there are some.  THere's also upping the forest fire fighting resources, there's education of people going into the woods, there's a bunch of possible options. 

Don't be so stupid. Of COURSE there's a lot of things they can do in order to address the growing risk of forest fire. They did nothing

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Selective logging would help where there is logging but clearcuts are not just a Canadian thing.

Well, I now know two things for sure...  you don't ride the trails or fly a helicopter.

It's a nostalgic idea though, I haven't done selective logging since I worked for my uncle as a teenager; he used horses.

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Unless you're trying to claim there is NONE POSSIBLE that's a  stupid quesiton.

There are a number of forest management practices that can help prevent or minimize forest fires, the best one would have to be chosen by the people on the ground who are experts. 

But there are some.  THere's also upping the forest fire fighting resources, there's education of people going into the woods, there's a bunch of possible options. 

Don't be so stupid. Of COURSE there's a lot of things they can do in order to address the growing risk of forest fire. They did nothing

I dispute the statement that forest management is not happening and evolving. We spent over a billion fighting fires last year, how much more do you want to spend. 

It's interesting that those who refuse to admit climate change, increasing temperatures and droughts are a factor in the number and intensity of fires are the same ones most critical of forest management practices.

[WestCanMan]

Aristedes, you were called out for running your mouth. 

If you know something, here's your chance to easily prove me wrong.

So again, what did I make up, Aristedes?

1. Our MSM, Fauci, and all the other covidjits love to pretend that covid is lethal for anyone in any health category. Do you agree or disagree? 
2. Our MSM, Fauci, and all the other covidjits frequently said that some people can be asymptomatic carriers. Do you agree or disagree? 
3. Ontario MPP Randy Hiller said in the Ont legislature that there was a covid hospital being created in the Yukon Territory for covid patients before anyone else officially r even casually mentioned it to the public. Do you agree or disagree? 
4. Trudeau, our gov't, and our media initially denied the existence of said covid treatment facility, and Hillier was mocked by all of them. Do you agree or disagree?
5. Now or gov't acknowledges that a covid treatment facility actually was built in Yukon, but they say that it is a "voluntary self-isolation facility". Do you agree or disagree?
6. Our gov't (Trudeau) also said that they "couldn't foresee a future where there would be vax mandates", and then there were vax mandates within 3 months of that statement. Do you agree or disagree?
7. Our gov't was so dishonest (100%) about the existence of the aforementioned treatment facility, and the possibility of vax mandates (90%), that we have zero reason to believe their reason for that facility's existence. Do you agree or disagree?
8. Canadians who were showing no sign of infection were given no choice but take covid tests for many different reasons, including for work, to fly, to cross the border, to attend school, etc. Do you agree or disagree?
9. Many Canadians were told that they had covid, just as a result of those test results, despite the fact that they were asymptomatic, and never got sick with covid. Do you agree or disagree?
10. As a 100% believer in the CBC covid narrative yourself, you are never surprised when anyone, regardless of their health statues, dies of covid. Do you agree or disagree? 
11. Our PM said on TV that "anti-vaxers are very often racists and misogynists, and we have to ask ourselves IF WE SHOULD TOLERATE THEM". Do you agree or disagree?

 

Ten bullet points. Try to discredit one. It's just that easy. Prove something is false Aristedes. Or even just say it. If you know so much more than me, or if I'm just wrong, that should be easy. So do the easy thing, and make me look foolish. Pick a number from 1-11, and show us all how smart you are...

Or, if you agree with all of the above statements, which you can't even attempt to deny, then it follows that:

• our gov't isn't convinced that the unvaxed should be tolerated
• any Canadian could be forced to get tested, sick or not
• any person who gets tested could be told they have covid, or are carrying it, with enough of a viral load that they could spread the virus, regardless of how they feel when they're tested
• our gov't hasn't shown that they are above sending people to treatment facilities, like the one in Yukon, involuntarily
• you think that anyone who gets covid could die from it, just because they have covid. 

 

 

Aristedes... In Trudeau's perfect version of the future, from about 2020-2022, the guy sitting across from you right now could be forced to take a covid test tomorrow, be found to have asymptomatic covid, if he was unvaxed our ex-PM wouldn't feel very tolerant of him, theres a good chance that our gov't would force him to go to that camp, and if he died there, you wouldn't be surprised.  

All the pieces are 100% in place, Aristedes. If Hitler could get the German people to feel exactly the same way that you feel right now, then he had the ways and means at his disposal to send Jews to the Yukon covid facility where you would expect them to die. 

Is that not 100% correct, and if so, how is it not? 

[Venandi]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I dispute the statement that forest management is not happening and evolving. We spent over a billion fighting fires last year, how much more do you want to spend. 

 

Ya didn't proofread that did ya?

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I dispute the statement that forest management is not happening and evolving. We spent over a billion fighting fires last year, how much more do you want to spend. 

Holy non-sequiturs, Batman!

Do you think there's no difference between "forest management" and "fighting fires"?

Some do. 

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Well, I now know two things for sure...  you don't ride the trails or fly a helicopter.

It's a nostalgic idea though, I haven't done selective logging since I worked for my uncle as a teenager; he used horses.

Selective logging certainly wouldn't be possible in many areas.

3 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Ya didn't proofread that did ya?

What?

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

What?

Dummy. 

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Holy non-sequiturs, Batman!

Do you think there's no difference between "forest management" and "fighting fires"?

Some do. 

I wasn't replying to you Bozo.

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Aristides said:

I wasn't replying to you Bozo.

If you don't want to be mocked for your stupidity, don't post here. 

[Aristides]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

If you don't want to be mocked for your stupidity, don't post here. 

Listen dumbass, I was replying to a post that made statements about both forest management and fire fighting. I was replying to both. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I dispute the statement that forest management is not happening and evolving.

Are you sure? A minute ago you were suggesting that there might not have been anything that could have been done. You seem to be mixing up your stories again.

If you are now suggesting that for management is a real thing that we can agree that considering that they didn't do anything that there is more that they could have done but didn't

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We spent over a billion fighting fires last year, how much more do you want to spend. 

Enough.  Whatever that might be.  Get the job done.  But it's not really about FIGHTING fires, it's about how to prevent them.  Or supposedly. And that's good forest management, and good practices as far as education etc. 

 

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It's interesting that those who refuse to admit climate change, increasing temperatures and droughts are a factor in the number and intensity of fires are the same ones most critical of forest management practices.

The opposite is true.  Those who are saying climate change isn't a crisis usually say 'we should adapt', what's really telling is people like you who claim it's a major crisis say "What forest management? What? Why would we spend money on that, the forest fire situation isn't getting worse is it?!?"

You claim that it should be obvious that forest fire hazards will be worse and yet you dismiss the idea of better forest management. Typical

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Listen dumbass, I was replying to a post that made statements about both forest management and fire fighting. I was replying to both. 

And spending money on one is not the same as spending money on the other, dumbass.

What people are trying to explain to you is that the better job you do of forest management, the less money you have to spend on fighting forest fires. 

But, as we've seen with fighting covid, energy sector projects, the economy, trade relations, foreign relations in general, etc, foresight isn't a Liberal trait. You guys always have to almost learn from your mistakes. 

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Enough.  Whatever that might be.  Get the job done.  But it's not really about FIGHTING fires, it's about how to prevent them.  Or supposedly. And that's good forest management, and good practices as far as education etc. 

The Libs are doing the same thing with forest mgmt that they did with covid mgmt.

Covid: 

From Jan - March 16th 2020, when he had basically no covid here, Chinese people could fly here from China, where covid was rampant, with no masks, no testing, no quarantine period, and they could go into any building they pleased and do whatever they wanted. Then less than two weeks later, Canadians couldn't even walk outside in parks. 

Forestry:

Do nothing. Don't even talk about arsonists. Then just say "No one is allowed to go into the forest anymore".

 

Why can't people go into the forest? Don't want any witnesses?  

Edited August 19, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Aristides]

The primary causes of forest fires in British Columbia are lightning, which accounts for about 60% of fires, and human activities, responsible for approximately 40%. Human-caused fires can result from actions like open burning, discarded cigarettes, and arson. gov.bc.ca Wikipedia

 

Causes of Forest Fires in British Columbia

Natural Causes

• Lightning Strikes: Approximately 60% of wildfires in British Columbia are caused by lightning. When lightning strikes, it can ignite trees and other vegetation.

• Other Natural Factors: Rarely, other natural events can lead to wildfires, but they are not as common as lightning.

Human Activity

• Accidental Ignition: About 40% of wildfires are caused by human actions, which can include:
  • Open burning (e.g., campfires)
  • Vehicle and engine use
  • Industrial activities
  • Fireworks and sky lanterns
  • Discarding burning items like cigarettes
  • Arson

Contributing Environmental Factors

• Drought Conditions: Extended periods of dry weather increase the risk of wildfires.

• Climate Change: Rising temperatures and changing weather patterns contribute to longer and more severe wildfire seasons.

• Forest Management Practices: Historical fire suppression and logging practices can leave behind fuel that increases fire risk.

[User]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I'm saying it is also used in the US Northwest. 

Oh... got it. So, just a distraction then. I was wrong on the tactic you were using. Thanks for clearing that up. 

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I don't care much about articles from 4 years ago....

Thanks for validating again why I put you on ignore, but obviously didn't do something right...

You should not have asked then. 

Speaking of inept... 

[Aristides]

Just now, User said:

Oh... got it. So, just a distraction then. I was wrong on the tactic you were using. Thanks for clearing that up. 

I said it was not just a Canadian thing.

That's rich coming from one of the distractors in chief.

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, Aristides said:

It's only excessive if you break the law. 25k is peanuts compared to fighting a forest fire. BC spent $1 billion fighting wildfires in 2023 and almost a $1.1 billion  in 2024.

And yet BC has much more reasonable prevention policies and fines why is that, i mean BC burns every year....despite all of that spending...if you in favor of these higher fines you should be lobbying BC government to bring this policies to life...such as 25,000 fines and complete bans to any activities in the woods or lakes...

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, Aristides said:

It's only excessive if you break the law. 25k is peanuts compared to fighting a forest fire. BC spent $1 billion fighting wildfires in 2023 and almost a $1.1 billion  in 2024.

I wonder how much is spent on combating drunk driving....and yet we don't slap these excessive fines on them, maybe they are on to something...

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

You think they should still do logging in tinder dry forests?  I’m thinking you don’t leave the pavement much. 

Yes they do,this is the first year that NB has a ban on any activity in the woods, except during covid...So ya so much for that idea....so why this year, no one knows....it is a political thing not a safety issue...NB premier has as much said so...IT"S NOT ABOUT FIRES....it's about not being able to rescue anyone....

[Moonbox]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And yet BC has much more reasonable prevention policies and fines why is that, i mean BC burns every year....despite all of that spending...if you in favor of these higher fines you should be lobbying BC government to bring this policies to life...such as 25,000 fines and complete bans to any activities in the woods or lakes...

Convictions for ignoring prohibitions in BC can come with fines of up to $100,000.  If you are convicted of causing a fire that goes out of control, you can be held financially responsible for containment, which would completely ruin you.  I'm sure you researched BC's fire prevention policies before posting this, though, right?   😑

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/wildfire-status/prevention/fire-bans-and-restrictions#about_proh

 

[Army Guy]

12 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Convictions for ignoring prohibitions in BC can come with fines of up to $100,000.  If you are convicted of causing a fire that goes out of control, you can be held financially responsible for containment, which would completely ruin you.  I'm sure you researched BC's fire prevention policies before posting this, though, right?   😑

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/wildfire-status/prevention/fire-bans-and-restrictions#about_proh

 

And yet your source has got nothing to do with fines for just being in the woods....twe are talking about  the ban on all activity in the woods...not starting fires....every province has huge fines for starting fires...

[TreeBeard]

24 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Yes they do,this is the first year that NB has a ban on any activity in the woods, except during covid...So ya so much for that idea....so why this year, no one knows....it is a political thing not a safety issue...NB premier has as much said so...IT"S NOT ABOUT FIRES....it's about not being able to rescue anyone....

I’ve been around loggers my whole life.  Summer is always about layoffs due to “fire season”.   And it has gotten longer and earlier over the years. 
 

Do you really believe that the climate isn’t getting warmer?  It sounds like it.  

Edited August 19, 2025 by TreeBeard

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Do you really believe that the climate isn’t getting warmer?  It sounds like it.  

It's just a flu... It's just a heat wave...

It's just nothing burger.