From the people who brought you covid lockdowns, All people banned from wilderness (now with snitch line!)

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Everything reminds you of Covid.

You need to stop ignoring the lessons learned during covid, Aristedes. 

A pattern was established that should never be followed again, but you refuse to acknowledge the pattern. You want to pretend that vax-fascism was benevolent and beneficial when it was clearly unethical, immoral, harmful, shameful, greedy, and even wicked.  

[Aristides]

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You need to stop ignoring the lessons learned during covid, Aristedes. 

A pattern was established that should never be followed again, but you refuse to acknowledge the pattern. You want to pretend that vax-fascism was benevolent and beneficial when it was clearly unethical, immoral, harmful, shameful, greedy, and even wicked.  

I don't ignore anything, I'm just not obsessed with them. Far worse things have happened in our history.

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I don't ignore anything, I'm just not obsessed with them. Far worse things have happened in our history.

Which other atrocities against Canadians did you play an active role in? 

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I don't ignore anything, I'm just not obsessed with them. Far worse things have happened in our history.

They'll happen again if we don't draw a line.

Politicians aren't stupid. They want more and more control over people even if they feel that they wouldn't misuse that. It is the fundamental nature of all governments everywhere that their job is easier the more control they have and they will seek to make that happen.

And they are well aware that you boil the Frog slowly. You don't just throw them into boiling water or he jumps out.

First they say instead of doing our jobs we're going to ban you from enjoying your province as if it's our province and we're only lending it to you.

Then it's the type of car you're supposed to own whether it's practical or not. Then it's you're not even allowed to own a car you have to use public transit. Then it's deciding whether or not you should have any choice in abortion because reasons

These were the basis for the decisions like the 60 scoop by the way. In the interest of the public we will take babies away from first nations and give them to non first nations people who are better able to care for them because it's good for society and this is an emergency.

It's also why we locked up the Japanese

And more recently covid

If people don't stand up and make a fuss when the government steps even an inch over the line, pretty soon they put a foot over the line.  Much more than that and you have't got a leg to stand on. 

[suds]

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If people don't stand up and make a fuss when the government steps even an inch over the line, pretty soon they put a foot over the line. 

Those are wise words. Especially for those who take our rights and freedoms for granted. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Which other atrocities against Canadians did you play an active role in? 

Being alive, the same as you.

[WestCanMan]

44 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Being alive, the same as you.

So maybe you should be reflecting on your role in the atrocity that you supported. It's weird that you want to pretend it never happened. 

When you look at people who got sucked into supporting Naziism and the holocaust, stop pretending that you're somehow wiser, and say "There, but for the grace of God, go I."

[Aristides]

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So maybe you should be reflecting on your role in the atrocity that you supported. It's weird that you want to pretend it never happened. 

When you look at people who got sucked into supporting Naziism and the holocaust, stop pretending that you're somehow wiser, and say "There, but for the grace of God, go I."

Atrocity! FFS, what a snowflake.

You bore no responsibility for protecting society and those that did had to do so with limited knowledge of something unknown. I accept the fact they could have got some things wrong to begin with and had to adapt. That's what responsible  people do but zealots can't. 

I didn't like restrictions anymore than you did but the enemy was a virus, not people.

Your comparing them to the real atrocities committed by the Nazis just shows what an ignorant SOB you are.

You are an insult to the victims of Nazi atrocities, and wouldn't know a real atrocity if it kicked you in the nuts.

 

Edited August 17, 2025 by Aristides

[Legato]

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Yeah, you can police the roads. Try policing the woods in New Brunswick. (Before or after the fire has started)

The few polls taken show citizens are overwhelmingly in favour of the ban.

"Polls" lol. 

How many people here think that walking in the woods should be illegal? Do you think it's a majority? 

Zero conservatives and maybe 2 left4rds. 

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, Barquentine said:

You do know using crown land is a privelege, not a right, don't you. Can you saunter around a military base any time you want? Can you enter a Federal or Provincial bldg at 3:00 am?

Great analogy, from the great minds who brought us "You can walk into a bank, but for some reason you can't roam around in the vault."

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

But he isn't wrong. The current response in NB and NS is similar in many ways. It is an emotional overreaction. Like making people follow arrows and socially distancing. Let's just make up all kinds of random senseless rules and impose ridiculous fines because of a crisis. It doesn't make sense to ban people from doing something that is harmless simply because they could choose to do something which is harmful while doing it. That's a precedent that should be avoided. Hiking in and of itself is not a fire risk. 

In this country we don't penalize people for doing the wrong things, we just prevent everyone from doing normal things. 

• Started a forest fire? Gov't: "Meh. No big deal. We just blamed it on global warming, so keep it hush hush."
• Killed someone? Gov't: "Out in 3." 
• Got caught faking a hate crime against yourself to increase racial/religious hatred in our country? Gov't: "Thanks for drawing attention to how evil white people are."
• Walked into the forest with your dog? Gov't: "$25,0000 fine."

[CouchPotato]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

How many people here think that walking in the woods should be illegal? Do you think it's a majority? 

Here in NB most of the fires are in central/northern NB in the middle of nowhere. I don't know anyone who is going out there to hike.

The province has been really dry the entire summer. It was the topic of discussion for weeks now that we are lucky there hasn't been a fire. No one was banned from hiking until last week. Somehow people managed to go on hiking trails all this time without setting the forest alight.

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In this country we don't penalize people for doing the wrong things, we just prevent everyone from doing normal things. 

Walked into the forest with your dog? Gov't: "$25,0000 fine."

Yup, Canada is so backasswards when it comes to justice.

Edited August 17, 2025 by CouchPotato

[CouchPotato]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Far worse things have happened in our history.

But that does not make it defensible. Far worse things happening does not make fining people to the tune of 25 grand for doing something that is harmless acceptable. If I get overcharged ten bucks for a shirt tomorrow, it won't be as bad World War 2 or thalidomide babies or the Titanic sinking, but I would still go get my money back. And yeah when the government sees fit to charge someone 25 grand for walking in the woods there ought to be push back against that kind of ridiculous heavy handedness. This stuff matters. 

[Aristides]

22 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

But that does not make it defensible. Far worse things happening does not make fining people to the tune of 25 grand for doing something that is harmless acceptable. If I get overcharged ten bucks for a shirt tomorrow, it won't be as bad World War 2 or thalidomide babies or the Titanic sinking, but I would still go get my money back. And yeah when the government sees fit to charge someone 25 grand for walking in the woods there ought to be push back against that kind of ridiculous heavy handedness. This stuff matters. 

Does it? If you don't intend to break the law, what difference does the fine make? If you do, be prepared to pay whatever it is. 

[Goddess]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

A pattern was established that should never be followed again, but you refuse to acknowledge the pattern. You want to pretend that vax-fascism was benevolent and beneficial when it was clearly unethical, immoral, harmful, shameful, greedy, and even wicked.  

People like Aristedes et al, they remind me of how even after the incremental injustices and loss of rights of the Jews in Germany, even after all that, as they headed to the gas chambers, some were saying "Yay! They're going to let us shower."

In reality, there is nothing the government can impose, take away or do that Aristedes, eyeball etc would not accept and justify.

Weak men create hard times.

[Aristides]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

People like Aristedes et al, they remind me of how even after the incremental injustices and loss of rights of the Jews in Germany, even after all that, as they headed to the gas chambers, some were saying "Yay! They're going to let us shower."

In reality, there is nothing the government can impose, take away or do that Aristedes, eyeball etc would not accept and justify.

Weak men create hard times.

Don't be an ass, nothing like that happened or could have happened. You people cheapen what happened to Jews and other groups with your ridiculous persecution complex. What a bunch of goddamn children.

Edited August 17, 2025 by Aristides

[CouchPotato]

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Does it?

Absolutely, it does. The government is enacting a ridiculous fine for engaging in an activity which is not dangerous. Going in the woods is not a fire risk. There are things you can do in there which are. But to ban people from doing something on the presumption that they could is something society should steer away from. The more government gets away with things like this without backlash the more it is bound to do so. Mistrust of government is one of the major things that makes society free.

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If you don't intend to break the law, what difference does the fine make? If you do, be prepared to pay whatever it is. 

You do realize what a ridiculous position this is. I mean what we are arguing about here is the so-called law itself. It is not a defense of the law to say well you don't have to worry about the ridiculous punishment if you don't break it. You know this is stupid. You could argue that it's very easy not to break this law. But that is not really a defense of it. If the government put a 25 grand fine on saying 'bloodmary' three times, anyone could easily avoid breaking that law. People would survive without saying 'bloodymary', but that doesn't make it justifiable. Draconian overreach is draconian overreach. 

Edited August 17, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Absolutely, it does. The government is enacting a ridiculous fine for engaging in an activity which is not dangerous. Going in the woods is not a fire risk. There are things you can do in there which are. But to ban people from doing something on the presumption that they could is something society should steer away from.

You do realize what a ridiculous position this is. I mean what we are arguing about here is the so-called law itself. It is not a defense of the law to say well you don't have to worry about the ridiculous punishment if you don't break it. You know this is stupid. You could argue that it's very easy not to break this law. But that is not really a defense of it. If the government put a 25 grand fine on saying 'bloodmary' three times, anyone could easily avoid breaking that law. People would survive without saying 'bloodymary', but that doesn't make it justifiable. Draconian overreach is draconian overreach. 

Saying bloodymary three times isn't going to burn down a forest. Most human caused fires are due to stupidity or accident, not arson.

[CouchPotato]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Saying bloodymary three times isn't going to burn down a forest.

That's true. Neither is hiking. Hiking is harmless. Going into the woods in and of itself is not dangerous. It is doing certain other things while hiking which are dangerous. To fine someone 25 grand because they could conceivably do something dangerous while doing something harmless is draconian. We don't fine people who we definitively know are making dangerous choices 25 grand. You don't fine people 25 grand for speeding or drunk driving. Those are examples of actual risky behavior. How ludicrous it is to fine people absurdly more based on nothing more than the fact that they could possibly engage in risky behavior.

Edited August 17, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, Barquentine said:

You do know using crown land is a privelege, not a right, don't you. Can you saunter around a military base any time you want? Can you enter a Federal or Provincial bldg at 3:00 am?

Nova Scotia:
"In Nova Scotia, access to Crown land is generally a privilege, not an absolute right. While Nova Scotians are welcome to enjoy the natural beauty of Crown land, accessing it often requires permission or adherence to specific regulations, particularly for activities beyond basic recreational use."

Canada:
"Restrictions: Right of access is not absolute. Certain areas may be closed for specific purposes (e.g., wildfire risk, resource extraction), and activities like building structures or cutting trees without authorization are prohibited."

Sauntering around a military is not restricted, the General public have access to the base, you can drive around all you want....during normal operating hours, what is restricted is going into out of bounds areas , or buildings that have been  restricted is normally locked and marked out of bounds to any unauthorized personnel...

most unit lines and compounds have duty staff on 24 hours a day, with some fancy surveillance gear to keep out unwanted visitors....If you wonder into a unwanted area someone will see you and ask you to leave, refuse and well lets say that would not be my first choice, That being said the rules to enter the base are posted outside for all to read,  for instance ANYONE on a military base is subject to search at any time, they do not need cause or a warrant, entering any restricted areas, or out of bounds areas and you may be subject to arrest and detention until handed over to civil authorities...that could take hours the MP will want to know why your there ...but during working hours any base is free for the public to visit, as long as you mind where your going and not be a menace...

Hunting and fishing in training areas, is allowed , however you must sign in and out through range control, here they will brief you of any out of bounds areas, or restricted areas, along with any areas troops are training in, what ranges are using live ammo etc......again this is enter at your own risk, military have a tendency to drive without headlights in a lot of areas, just last year 2 people on a atv ran into a LAV on the main MSR, LAV 6 weighs in at over 25 tons those people did not know what hit them, So it is a real good idea to stay within the areas your allow to be in...when there are large concentrations of troops training they will restrict the entire training areas, but normally there are plenty of areas civilians use...in fact there is an NB ATV trail that runs along the one side of the CFB Gagetown  training area...which is 1100 sq kms 

[Goddess]

5 hours ago, Aristides said:

Don't be an ass, nothing like that happened or could have happened. You people cheapen what happened to Jews and other groups with your ridiculous persecution complex. What a bunch of goddamn children.

Protest all you want but you've proven over and over that there's nothing the government says that you would ever, in a million years, say  No to.

It's people like you that give totalitarian, authoritarian, communist, socialist regimes their power.  Read any history book.

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And they are well aware that you boil the Frog slowly. You don't just throw them into boiling water or he jumps out.

I call bullshit. Studies have proven frogs in fact jump out of slowly warming pots of water, they're not stupid. They'd die if you threw them into boiling water. You'd have to be a dingbat to imagine otherwise.

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, suds said:

Those are wise words. Especially for those who take our rights and freedoms for granted. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. 

Those who profess to never take them for granted have been telling me that commies, fascists and authoritarians have been taking over Canada for decades now.

Without a 2nd Amendment and patriots with which to keep our government under our thumb we're kind of screwed. It's a wonder Uncle Sam never carpet bombed us back into the stone-age even if it was to just put us out of our misery.

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I call bullshit. Studies have proven frogs in fact jump out of slowly warming pots of water, they're not stupid.

Frogs are stupid. 

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They'd die if you threw them into boiling water. You'd have to be a dingbat to imagine otherwise.

But like you they'll let you boil them slowly    You've obviously been stewing over this (ba da DING!!)