Carney's announcement to recognize a state of Palestine in September most ill-conceived imaginable.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, User said:

Why doesn't Canada send its military there to occupy and ensure a peaceful state, as they are promoting?

Why don't YOU, you act like the USA is King of the World.

Why do you ask such stupid questions instead of sensible responses?

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, PIK said:

Hamas leadership announced that Carneys announcement, is the fruits for Oct 7th. I have never been this embarressed by a leader before,even trudeau. He needs to step down

Did you forget that the Ayatollah took up Trudeau's cry of "Canadians committed genocide against the First Nations children"? 

Did you forget that it was Xinhua, the Communist Party of China's state-run media outlet, that had to point out to Canadians, the irony of Trudeau's statement: "Sorry China, but we can't help Meng Wanzhou because in Canada, the gov't doesn't interfere in the country's judicial processes"? Our own media didn't call him out for that. They just let Trudeau puff up his little pigeon-chest and pontificate like he was God's gift to integrity. So not only was our PM a liar, our media was also outclassed by a f'ing commie propaganda outlet.

Then India's media reminded us all that Trudeau had told the Indian gov't that "you need to listen to peaceful protesters', before he ignored our own peaceful protesters for months and then had them beaten like dogs in the street.

The last ten years has been a string of abject humiliations for this country. The carney is just following in Trudeau's footsteps.

In fairness to previous generations, we need to change our name to Cano'duhhh and replace the Maple Leaf on our flag with a pair of crotchless panties.  

Edited August 5, 2025 by WestCanMan

[User]

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

Why don't YOU, you act like the USA is King of the World.

Why do you ask such stupid questions instead of sensible responses?

Because your comment was ignorant. NO ONE is willing to go in there except Israel. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

We can only hope that the day will come when they decide that they would rather have peace and eventually something can be worked out

So the policy is to continue the beatings until moral improves. Good luck with it.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

We will never have to go there any day and we shouldn't need to considering we had nothing to do with it.

Canada's presumed to be greatest SC Justice, Ivan Rand, who infamously wrote 'one Jew too many' when speaking of more Jews coming to Canada, led the team that produced the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine.

How come you don't know this given you feel qualified to say we had nothing to do with it?

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, User said:

Because your comment was ignorant. NO ONE is willing to go in there except Israel. 

No one wants anything to do with Gazans. Even the muslim countries who publicly support Hamas won't even let the women and children of Gaza in to escape death. 

But herbie knows what's going on lol. 

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Canada's presumed to be greatest SC Justice, Ivan Rand, who infamously wrote 'one Jew too many' when speaking of more Jews coming to Canada, led the team that produced the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine.

I didn't know that. Do you have a link?

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So the policy is to continue the beatings until moral improves. Good luck with it.

Or until they're dead. Either works. Up to them really

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Canada's presumed to be greatest SC Justice, Ivan Rand, who infamously wrote 'one Jew too many' when speaking of more Jews coming to Canada, led the team that produced the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine.

Did he launch the attack on september 7th? No? Doesn't really matter then does it

 

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How come you don't know this given you feel qualified to say we had nothing to do with it?

We still have nothing to do with it

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I didn't know that. Do you have a link?

...one more time...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Rand

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Did he launch the attack on september 7th? No? Doesn't really matter then does it

He helped sic terrorists on Palestine.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

...one more time...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Rand

 

Irrelevant

 

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He helped sic terrorists on Palestine.

Doesn't matter. October 7th was entirely the fault of and responsibility of gaza and its government 100%. Canada was not involved and had nothing to do with it.

And all your lies to the contrary don't change that. You can try and justify that attack to your heart's content and claim that they were acting with a human rights or that it's Canada's fault but none of that is true and none of that is going to be true

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

He helped sic terrorists on Palestine.

Palestinians are literally the poster boys for terrorism, eyeball.

Children there are forced to live in poverty and strife, and are groomed to be terrorists from birth. And that's not by the Israelis, it's by their own parents/Hamas. The Palestinians get gobs of money from Iran for weapons, and they get their food from the UN.  

If you think that you share any humanitarian instincts with Palestinians you are wrong: when you were learning that "sharing is caring", they were learning that "Allah is willing to bless every killing". 

While you're sitting here pining for their lost children, they are lining up more of their children to be involuntarily martyred for the cause.

Edited August 6, 2025 by WestCanMan

[PIK]

8 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Sure Carney sent them 300 million, where do you think Hamas spends that money....on blankets and teddy bears...or rockets and bullets....Canada supports terrorism....we should not have anything to due with Gaza or the west bank...they have made their bed and now they should sleep in it...

Israel has changed the game plan, and has reduced gaza to a huge pile of rubble, and yet Hamas still in power nothing is going to change in Gaza, until palestinians are removed for gaza and place some place else...there is not 2 state ....they had that and threw it back in the worlds face...

Is all of Gaza rubble?

[Legato]

14 minutes ago, PIK said:

Is all of Gaza rubble?

or in another retrospect is all of rubble Gaza?

[Venandi]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

So the policy is to continue the beatings until moral improves

Always good to get out and see the world, it's pretty chaotic. UN work is an exercise in frustration at every turn. 

Factual or not I can't say, haven't been there for a while... but based on what I've seen of the world it rings true and I say that only because reading it pissed me off to the point of cold adrenaline rush; good for the evening pushup count but little else.  

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-inside-story-of-how-gaza-aid-is-diverted-from-the-people-who-need-it-most?itm_source=index

Edited August 6, 2025 by Venandi

[eyeball]

Israeli army sources told TPS-IL that the real obstacle to feeding Gaza is Hamas. This accusation is backed by UN figures.

So after all this time and despite all the death and destruction Israel has inflicted in Gaza, Hamas is still in charge. That's almost comical...the IDF is the proverbial gang that can't shoot straight I guess. Good at killing innocent non-combatants and creating no end of future combatants in the process.  It certainly underscores why this is a forever war.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Israeli army sources told TPS-IL that the real obstacle to feeding Gaza is Hamas. This accusation is backed by UN figures.

So after all this time and despite all the death and destruction Israel has inflicted in Gaza, Hamas is still in charge. That's almost comical...the IDF is the proverbial gang that can't shoot straight I guess. Good at killing innocent non-combatants and creating no end of future combatants in the process.  It certainly underscores why this is a forever war.

So you're saying they should kill more people?

[Venandi]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Israeli army sources told TPS-IL that the real obstacle to feeding Gaza is Hamas. This accusation is backed by UN figures.

So after all this time and despite all the death and destruction Israel has inflicted in Gaza, Hamas is still in charge. That's almost comical...the IDF is the proverbial gang that can't shoot straight I guess. Good at killing innocent non-combatants and creating no end of future combatants in the process.  It certainly underscores why this is a forever war.

Guess that's one way to look at it.

Another is that in addition to being a political entity, Hamas is also an ideology.  That's why Egypt (and others for that matter) are unbending in refusing them entry, they would transform the eastern Sina into a war zone.  

Hamas needs to be crushed, there is simply no peace to be had with them as a governing entity. Defeating Hamas the ideology won't even start to start until that happens and it will take much longer to achieve.

Actually, I think the word "ideology" comes up weak... it's more of an all consuming religion.

I've previously used the analogy of a murderous ex-husband just out of jail for attempted murder who is bent on success next time. Figure out how to negotiate with him and apply that technique to the situation with Hamas.... there's a Nobel Peace Prize with your name on it if you can.

It's more valid as an analogy than you might think and it gets little in the way of thoughtful consideration... the unfortunate ex-wife takes on the role of Israel by default.

Think of yourself as her new fiancé.... If you don't have a solution for her you don't have a solution for this either. 

   

 

Edited August 6, 2025 by Venandi

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Another is that in addition to being a political entity,

Anyone that's serious about stopping the violence is also talking about excluding Hamas from participating in any political capacity in Gaza's future.

11 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Hamas needs to be crushed, there is simply no peace to be had with them as a governing entity. Defeating Hamas the ideology won't even start to start until that.

The best way is to marginalize their ideological influence by having an election.

It'll require an international effort to sponsor, organize and run the election as well as provide the security it'll need.

[Barquentine]

17 hours ago, Army Guy said:

nothing is going to change in Gaza

Exactly! Netenyahoo's way doesn't work.

[User]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Exactly! Netenyahoo's way doesn't work.

You are right. Sitting in Israel and hiding behind a missile shield just hoping Hamas will stop being terrorist thugs didn't work. 

They have now pivoted to defeating Hamas. 

Glad you agree with their new tactics. 

[Moonbox]

57 minutes ago, User said:

You are right. Sitting in Israel and hiding behind a missile shield just hoping Hamas will stop being terrorist thugs didn't work.

Yeah that's all they were doing...🤡

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I just think at this point, approaching 60,000 Gazan dead, we can safely say that too much carnage and destruction has taken place unaccountably.  Too many deaths near aid stations.  Yes I know we’re told that Hamas uses civilians as human shields, locates themselves near hospitals and aid stations, etc., but the accounts on the ground of starvation from third parties and the sheer number of deaths is reason for concern and outside involvement.  I don’t think Israel is trying not to be surgical, but the outcomes aren’t a good look.  Israel certainly has a right to exist and defend itself.  Let’s not forget how much that part of the world has had to be managed internationally to prevent bloodshed in the past.  Basically don’t give Hamas ammunition for its cause.  

So what do you think Israel should do? Stop, pull back, and let Hamas reconstitute, rearm, and plan for the next attack?

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, Moonbox said:

This logic operates on the assumption that all of the various global organizations, non-government or otherwise, are compromised and biased against Israel for "reasons", but that these "ngo-monitor" links you're tossing around here are fair and neutral, despite being funded directly by Israel.  

So you trust the numbers and situation as reported by Hamas but not by an organization funded by Israel?

Most of these consist of direct, easily verifiable quotes of what these other NGOs have written and posted. And you're just going to ignore that because reasons?

9 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Yeah that's all they were doing...🤡

Awwww, were they blockading the poor Palestinians? Awwwww! And because of that vicious blockade, the most Hamas could do was launch ten thousand rockets and missiles at Israel IN ONE DAY while sending thousands of heavily armed troops across the border to slaughter and rape and torture Israeli civilians. Poor Gaza! Those dirty Jews were being so mean to try and keep weapons out!

[I am Groot]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

Anyone that's serious about stopping the violence is also talking about excluding Hamas from participating in any political capacity in Gaza's future.

What makes you believe that Hamas's attitude, militancy, and hatred of Israel and Jews aren't entirely mirrored by the general population?

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

The best way is to marginalize their ideological influence by having an election.

Riiight. And Hams v2 wins and starts to rearm and rebuild so they can attack Israel again.

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

It'll require an international effort to sponsor, organize and run the election as well as provide the security it'll need.

Are you volunteering? Because NO ONE is willing to send soldiers over there to keep watch over a fanatic, suicidal death cult.

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Israeli army sources told TPS-IL that the real obstacle to feeding Gaza is Hamas. This accusation is backed by UN figures.

So after all this time and despite all the death and destruction Israel has inflicted in Gaza, Hamas is still in charge. That's almost comical...the IDF is the proverbial gang that can't shoot straight I guess. Good at killing innocent non-combatants and creating no end of future combatants in the process.  It certainly underscores why this is a forever war.

Hamas has over 600 miles of tunnels with thousands of entrances. They also wear no uniforms and blend in with the civilian population. And they don't care how many civilians die, and they don't care how many of their own members die because they can easily replace them.

What would you do, with your tears for the death cult? Do you want to import them and have them all live next door to you? They don't just hate Jews, you know. They hate everyone who isn't a Muslim.

Such sweet people!

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1952741936374108446

 

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

...one more time...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Rand

He helped sic terrorists on Palestine.

What ludicrous nonsense is this? The terrorists ARE the Palestinians. It is the only place where mothers celebrate the deaths of their sons if they died while killing or trying to kill a Jew.

It sounds like you really need to think about putting down that white man's burden you're crushed beneath. It wasn't OUR fault those people decided that their hatred of Jews was more important than their lives or their children's lives.

Edited August 6, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, PIK said:

Is all of Gaza rubble?

It should be. Then paved over. The Palestinians should be moved to the West Bank, and the Jews on the West Bank should be moved to Gaza.