Carney's announcement to recognize a state of Palestine in September most ill-conceived imaginable.

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

The whole region was compromised decades ago when we chose not to welcome European Jewish refugees. Instead we told them to go to Palestine and how to take it away from the people living there.

Do you think we did a good job?

You still don't have a clue what I'm talking about do you?

I don't think you do either.

When Jordan annexed the West Bank and made it part of Jordan, there was no big protest or fight from the locals. There were no terrorist incidents. The people in that region couldn't care less. They thought of themselves as Arabs, not Palestinians or Jordanians or whatever. What did it matter which dictator or king ruled over them? LIkewise, the locals didn't fight Egypt when it took control of Gaza.

But Jews... that's more than they could stomach. Being under Jews? No way. They could be under any vicious dictator imaginable, but not under Jews. And that's why the endless fight against Israel. Not because they took anyone's land away, but because they're Jews. 

[I am Groot]

16 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Who is supporting that?  This is just a straw man. 
 

What do you think will keep them out more effectively:  

A peaceful state where they can live?  Or a perpetual state of war where they’re trying to get out?

There are lots of peaceful states in South and Central America, but people still head north through Mexico to the US. There are lots of peaceful states in Africa, but people still head north for Europe. And the middle east and places like Pakistan and Bangladesh? They have many peaceful areas. But they still cross the entire Middle East to come to Europe.

Their culture and values create the misery they live in. It's why the third world is a shithole. And the more they come to the developed world, the more misery they bring with them because their culture and values of corruption, violence, and religious extremism come with them.

It's interesting reading the British papers and media because they have the same problems we do with migrants and crappy laws, with crappy politicians, with housing and healthcare shortages and rising crime. The differences, though, is that their issues are more advanced, and that their government is more open with information. So we can see that massive numbers of newcomers, mostly Muslims, are on welfare and in public housing. That half the sex crimes come from migrants and immigrants, mostly Muslims.

What percentage of migrants/refugees, immigrants and foreign workers/student workers commit crimes here? The government will never tell us that. How many sex crimes come from these people? We don't know. How many are on welfare? The government will never tell us that. How many are in public housing? That's not our business.

What do I think will keep them out effectively? A rigid refugee and immigration system and detention camps that serve bread and water.

Edited August 2, 2025 by I am Groot

[blackbird]

12 hours ago, paxamericana said:

The teaching of the Quran itself is not that different from the Judeo-Christian Bible from which it was based.

Not true.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  The Quran did not come from the Bible and has no connection at all with it.

[User]

13 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Islam extremist and their millitant interpretation of the Quran are the problem. The teaching of the Quran itself is not that different from the Judeo-Christian Bible from which it was based.

Um... gonna need to you to expand on this one, explain what you mean when you claim the Quran was based on the Bible. 

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Not true.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  The Quran did not come from the Bible and has no connection at all with it.

Then how did Jesus get into the Quran?

[Moonbox]

18 hours ago, I am Groot said:

How about video of lots of men in Gaza with their ribs showing through skeletal thin skin?

Lots of men?  Are we supposing that the men are hoarding all of the food at the expense of their children or something?

Did you know that, physiologically, children starve much faster and much easier than adults, and that's why it's always the children starving first?  

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Not true.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  The Quran did not come from the Bible and has no connection at all with it.

The Abrahamic religion shares common theme through out the Bible, specifically the old testament. You shouldn’t be upset about this. The Jews inhabited Arabia for centuries before Islam became a religion. They shared their religious beliefs and influence to the region. Jesus is accepted as a prophet in the Quran and both the New Testament and old testament are regarded as divine revelations. My main argument is that the Abrahamic religion shares more in common than differences. 

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

The Abrahamic religion shares common theme through out the Bible, specifically the old testament. You shouldn’t be upset about this. The Jews inhabited Arabia for centuries before Islam became a religion. They shared their religious beliefs and influence to the region. Jesus is accepted as a prophet in the Quran and both the New Testament and old testament are regarded as divine revelations. My main argument is that the Abrahamic religion shares more in common than differences. 

Complete nonsense.  Again, you don't know what you're talking about.  Anybody who believes the Bible and knows a little about where it came from knows it has nothing to do with the Quran.   

The Bible was written over a period of 1,500 years and completed about 1,900 years ago.

Any Bible believer should be able to tell you, if he learned anything about the Quran, that it is a false book invented by Mohammed around 600 A.D.   or about five or six hundred years after the Bible was completed.

The fact Islam believe Jesus was a prophet means nothing.  They don't believe he is God.  He is the central subject of the Bible.  The Quran supports a completely different religion than the Bible and so is in opposition to the Bible.

 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

And that's why the endless fight against Israel. Not because they took anyone's land away, but because they're Jews. 

So why did Zionists kill Jews who got in their way?

Probably for the same reason Hamas kills Palestinians would be my guess,

Edited August 2, 2025 by eyeball

[I am Groot]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So why did Zionists kill Jews who got in their way?

Probably for the same reason Hamas kills Palestinians would be my guess,

What has this nonsense got to do with anything I wrote?

35 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Lots of men?  Are we supposing that the men are hoarding all of the food at the expense of their children or something?

Did you know that, physiologically, children starve much faster and much easier than adults, and that's why it's always the children starving first?  

I haven't seen any believable signs of children starving either. The only pictures shown turned out to be kids with diseases unrelated to malnutrition.

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Not true.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  The Quran did not come from the Bible and has no connection at all with it.

The guy who made up Islam was a caravan hijacker, thief, and rapist who said God didn't care what you did to unbelievers. He plagiarized a bunch of stuff straight from the Old and New Testaments, then threw in a bunch of stuff God allegedly told him, and presto, you have a religion.

[eyeball]

36 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

What has this nonsense got to do with anything I wrote?

Pointing out that Jews kill Jews and Palestinians kill Palestinians  questions your mistaken sense that anti-Semitism and racism had something to do all the killing going on over there.

 

 

[I am Groot]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Pointing out that Jews kill Jews and Palestinians kill Palestinians  questions your mistaken sense that anti-Semitism and racism had something to do all the killing going on over there.

Why do you think every government around attacked them in 1948 and has shown nothing but relentless hostility towards Israel ever since?

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Complete nonsense.  Again, you don't know what you're talking about.  Anybody who believes the Bible and knows a little about where it came from knows it has nothing to do with the Quran.   

The Bible was written over a period of 1,500 years and completed about 1,900 years ago.

Any Bible believer should be able to tell you, if he learned anything about the Quran, that it is a false book invented by Mohammed around 600 A.D.   or about five or six hundred years after the Bible was completed.

The fact Islam believe Jesus was a prophet means nothing.  They don't believe he is God.  He is the central subject of the Bible.  The Quran supports a completely different religion than the Bible and so is in opposition to the Bible.

 

You’re getting upset for no reason. I said the Quran is based on the Judeo Christian bible. I didn’t say the Bible was blasphemous.

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, herbie said:

Deflecting yet again. Some other rightie with the brain of a mollusk can't address the issue, so you follow along pretending that's the issue....

we're just not dumb enough to not notice. Nice try.

Herbie you have proven over and over agin that you lack even a rudimentary understanding of even the most basic of issues.

This issue goes back millennia, to a certain extent, back to 1947 and 48 to the greatest extent, with major flare-ups in '67, '71 etc, that solidify the argument of which side is enturely genocidal, and which is not. 

The chance of you having a thorough enough understanding of an issue this complex and propagandized, to reach an informed opinion, is 1 in a quintillion. 

 

FYI even if every single person killed in Gaza was an innocent child, the Pakistanis still killed several times more children in one day in 1947 than the Israelis killed in their entire history. On that day in 1947, Iran normalized relations with Pakistan. There were close to a million people slaughtered by the Pakistanis on that day, 8M people driven from their ancestral homes, and for all their efforts the Pakistanis received a warm embrace from Iran. 

So how is Iran still mad about the paltry number of deaths in 1948 when they were so jubilant about Pakistan's massacre of hundreds of thousands just 8 months earlier? (It's because their "righteous indignation" about what's happening in Israel is actually religious bigotry)

For anyone to say that Iran cares about actual people in all of this, or even children, is patently stupid. Iran cares about 1 thing only, and that is the spread of islam. 

And in all of this, you are supporting Iran. 

You are not supporting Gazan children, because even the Gazans aren't supporting Gazan children. You are supporting Iran, because they put all the pieces in place to make this happen, just so that they can manipulate stooges like you. 

Edited August 2, 2025 by WestCanMan

[suds]

4 hours ago, paxamericana said:

The Abrahamic religion shares common theme through out the Bible, specifically the old testament. You shouldn’t be upset about this. The Jews inhabited Arabia for centuries before Islam became a religion. They shared their religious beliefs and influence to the region. Jesus is accepted as a prophet in the Quran and both the New Testament and old testament are regarded as divine revelations. My main argument is that the Abrahamic religion shares more in common than differences. 

You're right that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, all share their spiritual roots with Abraham. But I wouldn't go as far to say that they have more in common than differences. It's interesting that praying Muslims initially faced Jerusalem instead of Mecca. It's believed they did this to try and get the Jews to join their faith. The Jews of course declined which created a certain amount of hostility between the two.

Edited August 2, 2025 by suds

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Why do you think every government around attacked them in 1948 and has shown nothing but relentless hostility towards Israel ever since?

The relentless hostility Zionists and Jewish terrorists showed to everyone over there.

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

Not true.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  The Quran did not come from the Bible and has no connection at all with it.

Aside from the blatant plagiarism lol. 

[herbie]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Herbie you have proven over and over agin that you lack even a rudimentary understanding of even the most basic of issues.

But you referring to every damn thing that has nothing to do with the issue being discussed does? Talk about gaslighting, defending your deflection by padding more details to it, claiming that denies deflection.
Talk about rudimentary understanding of S.F.A.

[suds]

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The relentless hostility Zionists and Jewish terrorists showed to everyone over there.

Over the centuries there has been enough hostility 'over there' to fill volumes. Hostility isn't exactly something that the Jews introduced. In this particular case there was a clash between Zionism and Arab nationalism. By far not the worst thing that ever happened but it sure gets the most ink.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

You’re getting upset for no reason. I said the Quran is based on the Judeo Christian bible. I didn’t say the Bible was blasphemous.

OK, I am no expert on the Quran.  So I will look into it more closely and get back to you, but I doubt very much it is based on the Bible.   It is its own religion.  

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, suds said:

Over the centuries there has been enough hostility 'over there' to fill volumes.

Sure, but this is about modern times...within living memory...with permission and encouragement no less, from us.

Care of Ivan Rand, an anti-Semitic SCC justice, regarded by some as Canada's greatest SC justice. 

 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

The relentless hostility Zionists and Jewish terrorists showed to everyone over there.

Uh-huh. Tell me, why is it that the people who stayed weren't harmed? 20% of the population of Israel proper are Arab. Can you tell me what percentage of the surrounding Arab countries are Jewish?

Newly released UN report says that about 90% of the aid the UN delivered to Gaza never reached its destination

 

The vast majority of humanitarian aid entering Gaza is intercepted before reaching its intended civilian recipients, newly released data from the United Nations shows, fueling growing concerns among Israeli officials and international observers about systemic aid diversion by armed groups in the enclave.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/08/01/un-data-nearly-90-percent-gaza-aid-intercepted-before-reaching-intended-recipients/

[paxamericana]

56 minutes ago, blackbird said:

OK, I am no expert on the Quran.  So I will look into it more closely and get back to you, but I doubt very much it is based on the Bible.   It is its own religion.  

Feel free to disagree and present your findings. Religion is one of the few topic I try to debate in good faith.

[I am Groot]

It seems I was wrong about there being starvation in Gaza!

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/k026q2pa9#autoplay