Canadians reject the claim they live on "stolen indigenous land".

[Nefarious Banana]

Canada is slipping away . . . hereditary chiefs, Quebec, massive immigration and debt, east vs. west, etc., etc.  We're too far down the rabbit hole.  

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, cougar said:

 

Were the FN's explained what they were signing?  Did they understand?  Could they be considered informed and reasonable?  Did all accept and signs?   Were the chiefs coerced , bribed or intimidated to sign?

 

Absolutely. The records are fairly clear.

Both sides knew what they were saying what they were doing. And the problem wasn't the concepts in the agreements. The first nations demanded access to education, there's nothing particularly weird or uninformed or stupid or wrong about that. The problem was that neither party had ever addressed anything like that on any kind of scale and then it became an implementation problem.

Do we send people into the reserves to teach or do we bring people from the reserves to learn? They decided to bring people to learn because that would be cheaper and easier. Do we set up a separate government agency or do we hire the church to do it seeing as they're doing it already? Well hiring the church would have made a lot of sense to them, the church already provided educational training and already had facilities in many of these communities or near many of these communities and in fact most people set their kids to such schools and mandatory education was going to be imposed upon the general public as well as the first nations so it seemed to make sense.

But each of those decisions had consequence that was not intended or envisioned. And things changed over time, initially participation was not mandatory and that probably works better, then the government decided that all children including all immigrants and first nations had to attend school policy changed and that didn't obviously go as well as hoped. And the government in its biggest failing never attempted any kind of OverWatch or investigation of or follow through with the churches, they just turned a blind eye and let the churches have at it and wrote the checks.

But yeah, the first nations are every bit as much of participant as the king was at the time. Neither side had a lot of experience with this kind of thing, both sides wanted the best for everybody, and as always the Devil was in the details and things went off the rail.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It's my understanding that the Indians wanted nothing to do with the colonies and got what they asked for by their own actions. It was short sighted and self destructive.

They didn't cave and now they're getting what they need and want through negotiation and our justice system - we gave them access to it and the means to use it. That's on us not them.

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They didn't cave and now they're getting what they need and want through negotiation and our justice system - we gave them access to it and the means to use it. That's on us not them.

so  you're saying we should deny them access to the justice system? I mean not that I necessarily disagree but....

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

so  you're saying we should deny them access to the justice system?

Nope.

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope.

Okay, so you've changed your opinion then? What you said before was inaccurate it's not on us at all. 

Sometimes it's pretty hard to follow your twists and turns as you try and Text lower rewrite what you just said 5 minutes ago left right and center

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

They didn't cave and now they're getting what they need and want through negotiation and our justice system - we gave them access to it and the means to use it. That's on us not them.

Marvie. So now we babysit a bunch of Indians? Sorry...this graveytrain needs to come to a stop.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Okay, so you've changed your opinion then?

Nope.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Nope.

Ok, so you HAVEN'T changed your opinion and you ARE still saying we should deny them access to the legal system 

man, if someone doesn't like your  opinion on something they just have to wait 5 minutes and see if they like the new one  

[eyeball]

46 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ok, so you HAVEN'T changed your opinion and you ARE still saying we should deny them access to the legal system 

Nope.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Nope.

LOL - like i said, wait five minutes and your opinion changes    It must be nice, having no brain or thoughts of your own  

[cougar]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Sorry...this graveytrain needs to come to a stop.

Now Carney pledged $2 billion to Ukraine.  Looks like no matter what , the taxpayer money will be wasted in the most irrational ways no matter what.

[Nationalist]

52 minutes ago, cougar said:

Now Carney pledged $2 billion to Ukraine.  Looks like no matter what , the taxpayer money will be wasted in the most irrational ways no matter what.

Yup. Gotta keep that war going...

[Zeitgeist]

Voters should be demanding that land acknowledgments are banned from publicly funded institutions due to their highly political nature.  The public education system is rife with such ideological capture.  Here’s the latest example:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry-newman-she-objected-to-land-acknowledgments-now-shes-paying-the-price-for-her-heresy

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Voters should be demanding that land acknowledgments are banned from publicly funded institutions due to their highly political nature.  The public education system is rife with such ideological capture.  Here’s the latest example:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry-newman-she-objected-to-land-acknowledgments-now-shes-paying-the-price-for-her-heresy

Appalling really.... if you truly believe the land was stolen then these acknowledgements are like being taunted by the burglar who robbed your house.

He has absolutely no intention of giving anything back or making amends, he isn't even sorry he did it but, BUT... he publicly acknowledges doing the deed as if that makes it all OK.

"Thank's so much for the moment of silence buddy, how's my stolen ATV working for ya?"

Edited June 24, 2025 by Venandi

[I am Groot]

On 6/11/2025 at 3:41 PM, herbie said:

So what? The majority is often wrong. More so when they're prompted with lies and hatred by people like you.

The Left loves that word 'hate'. It was never heard a few years back. Now it's everywhere. The slightest disagreement on identity/social justice issues has to be labeled 'hate'. You can't simply disagree with policy. You must 'hate' someone. 

I would say the Left's hatred of anyone and everyone who disagrees with their brainless ideological positions is vastly more common than people hating identity groups.

[I am Groot]

On 6/12/2025 at 3:09 PM, herbie said:

Oh FFS did the settlers BUY the land from tribes? Did they they negotiate or compensate for more than a little of what they took?

Well if you didn't BUY IT and it wasn't GIVEN then you STOLE it. Buy a f*cking dictionary.

You are trying to impose Western Capitalist ways of possession and ownership on people who hadn't even invented the wheel yet. They did not 'own' the land. They had their shacks or tents on some section of it at one time or other before moving on, hunted over broad areas near the river since they had no way of moving any distance on the land, and their only idea of territorial possession was when they came up against another tribe they couldn't easily defeat.

Land in North America just as in the rest of the world, changed hands back and forth down through history, everywhere depending on which tribe/clan/nation was stronger at any given point in time.The natives did it the same way. When Europeans moved in they spread out and either bought - because that was how they thought - huge tracts of land from the natives, or simply pushed them off (far more gently than the natives did to each other). 

To say at this point in time, centuries later, that the land was 'stolen' is to suggest every inch of land in the world was stolen at one point or another. It is just another example of lefties with their paternalistic view of 'the white man's burden', as if we, being uniquely wise, cultured and civilized, should not have acted like every other civilization that came before us (none of which are ever criticized). 

On 6/12/2025 at 5:21 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

I wasn't a respondent but am in the majority....  I don't live on stolen indigineous land.  

What happened in the 1600's through the 1800's is history, and that can't be changed.  If the younger generation has more liberal views, then so be it.  I personally think the voting age should 16 years old.  If you can drive a car at 16 and have that responsibility, why can't you vote?  Because you don't agree with their views is NOT a reason why the voting age should be lowered. 

So if there's a draft should we draft 16 year olds to go and fight?

[I am Groot]

On 6/12/2025 at 7:01 PM, herbie said:

When you're simply unable to admit you f*cked up, it's even harder to admit your Great Grampa might have. And your Grampa didn't adress the f*ck up, and your Dad didn't and now you won't. Pass the same attitude on to your kids?

Or DO something about it. They are offering the chance to solve it, you're the one refusing to try.

The idea that people today should make apologies and reparations for something they didn't do to people who were never around at the time is uniquely moronic. And again stems from white liberal guilt and nothing remotely resembling logic or common sense.

Every empire in the world is ignored. Only the white people who came to North America are to be held liable for being more successful than those here at the time, and made to feel ashamed of their guilt.

[I am Groot]

On 6/13/2025 at 5:16 PM, Army Guy said:

Settle what ? exactly....

Do we settle up with other races, what about the Chinese, or African Americans, or any other race we have upset or destroyed in our history...Do indigenous people pay for those that they have conquered or destroyed...how far back do we go....

Only white people need to make reparations for their ancestors. Because, as whites, we're better people, more civilized, more intelligent, wiser in all ways than the brown people. Therefore, we must be held responsible for behaviour which is ignored or excused when brown people do it.

[I am Groot]

On 6/15/2025 at 6:52 PM, Political Smash said:

By First Nations own submission in 2012, there were 18 000 000 of them scattered across North America when settlers arrived. 

The natives have no idea how many of them there were, as they had no written language and no way to travel aside from on rivers. 

[eyeball]

Canadians reject the claim they live on "stolen indigenous land".

What really gets under people's skin is declaring you're an indigenous human from Earth.

Please get your stupid countries and nations off my planet.

Thanks.

[Army Guy]

31 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Only white people need to make reparations for their ancestors. Because, as whites, we're better people, more civilized, more intelligent, wiser in all ways than the brown people. Therefore, we must be held responsible for behaviour which is ignored or excused when brown people do it.

better...or just gullible to believe all this crap that goes on today. all it takes  is a lobby group and poof, you can change how the world is run, we can change science, we can change almost everything...including history....had white people should have just said stop, thats nonsense, we would not be where we are today...everyone wants to be treated the same, but all we can do is pigeon hole everyone into little holes...

 

[Gaétan]

It is not right to ask the majority to decide the rights of the minority

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You are trying to impose Western Capitalist ways of possession and ownership on people who hadn't even invented the wheel yet. They did not 'own' the land. They had their shacks or tents on some section of it at one time or other before moving on, hunted over broad areas near the river since they had no way of moving any distance on the land, and their only idea of territorial possession was when they came up against another tribe they couldn't easily defeat.

Land in North America just as in the rest of the world, changed hands back and forth down through history, everywhere depending on which tribe/clan/nation was stronger at any given point in time.The natives did it the same way. When Europeans moved in they spread out and either bought - because that was how they thought - huge tracts of land from the natives, or simply pushed them off (far more gently than the natives did to each other). 

To say at this point in time, centuries later, that the land was 'stolen' is to suggest every inch of land in the world was stolen at one point or another. It is just another example of lefties with their paternalistic view of 'the white man's burden', as if we, being uniquely wise, cultured and civilized, should not have acted like every other civilization that came before us (none of which are ever criticized). 

So if there's a draft should we draft 16 year olds to go and fight?

This is true.  By the rules recognized around the world at the time the first nations would not have been the owners of the land and the people who did work the land and develop it first would have been, and that was the europeans 

The king did the first nations a solid and recognized them and acknowledged that the land should be shared, it wasn't theirs to begin with , Any more than it was the deer's or the beavers's or the bears. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

To say at this point in time, centuries later, that the land was 'stolen' is to suggest every inch of land in the world was stolen at one point or another. It is just another example of lefties with their paternalistic view of 'the white man's burden', as if we, being uniquely wise, cultured and civilized, should not have acted like every other civilization that came before us (none of which are ever criticized). 

Or it's the first time a uniquely wise cultured civilization brought a system of jurisprudence with them on their conquest - one that indigenous people eventually learned to use.

You can't put toothpaste back in the tube.