Why is Canada such a mess in so many ways?

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

One day they'll allow humans to do absolutely nothing and live like royalty.

 

Again, we've been hearing that forever when it comes to technology. But the fact is mankind exists to push the limits. Whatever we get them doing, we will want to do more.

For the vast majority of mankind's history about 90% of the people on the planet were involved with agriculture because it took that much effort just to produce enough food to survive. Eventually we started to develop machines that made that much easier and in this day and age it's something like only 20% of people that are involved in agriculture and even that is falling. Machines have replaced the vast majority of our most important task for most of our existence

Yet somehow we're not doing absolutely nothing and living like royalty  

No matter what, technology only allows people to have the time to push the limits and do more. 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Apparently, despite mouthing off about it for years, you don't know anything about how our political system works.

Well...I do know who won the election the last 4 times and I do know who lost :)

I do know that Canadians vote for their leaders and the conservatives lost the last 4 times.
I do know the conservatives begin this session of parliament exactly like they left the last time...whining.

So, I guess I do know "how our political system works."  LOL

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

 

op·po·si·tion

/ˌäpəˈziSH(ə)n/

noun

 

1. resistance or dissent, expressed in action or argument.

   "there was considerable opposition to the proposal"

"Hey, we're better than that shithole over there! So don't complain just because we keep sliding in the same direction! Be grateful we're not there yet!"

"The opposition's right and duty, if it believes the public interest is at stake, is to oppose the government's policies and actions by every legitimate parliamentary means. In so doing, oppositions try to convince the electorate that they should change places with the government."  

Well, they failed at that the last 4 elections LOL

Edited Wednesday at 05:20 PM by ExFlyer

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

He's just trolling.

And sucking you all in....

How much fun should one guy be allowed to have?? 

Some of you are far to easy to hook. LOL

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Well...I do know who won the election the last 4 times and I do know who lost :)

I do know that Canadians vote for their leaders and the conservatives lost the last 4 times.
I do know the conservatives begin this session of parliament exactly like they left the last time...whining.

So, I guess I do know "how our political system works."  LOL

 

No, the best you could argue is THEY know how it works. YOU didn't win. You just sat by with your thumb in your mouth. 

YOU don't know how it works,  which is why so many think you're a teen living in your mom's basement. 

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

 

How much fun should one guy be allowed to have?? 

 

ONE guy? We're ALL laughing at you kid   at this point you should be a comedy club  

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, the best you could argue is THEY know how it works. YOU didn't win. You just sat by with your thumb in your mouth. 

YOU don't know how it works,  which is why so many think you're a teen living in your mom's basement. 

....

HA HA HA   Hey dimwit...last I checked the conservatoires lost...and I made my vote count and ...I WON!!!!

How about you?? Oh yeah, you voted for the LOSERS LOL.  ...and YOU LOST  LOL

 

So yeah, I know how it works...the most votes win and your votes lost LOL

LOSER!!!!

Edited Wednesday at 05:24 PM by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

HA HA HA   Hey dimwit...last I checked the conservatoires lost..

... and for some reason you cried like a baby about that for a month    Which pretty much proves that you have NO idea how ANY of this works  LOLOLOL 

[ExFlyer]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

... and for some reason you cried like a baby about that for a month    Which pretty much proves that you have NO idea how ANY of this works  LOLOLOL 

Ohhh, there I am again...free rent in your head making your reality get skewed. LOL

Oh, why cry? I won...you LOST ...LOSER!!!

And the liberals will be there to taunt you for the next 4+ years LOL

[herbie]

For Christ sake can you understand the term "Loyal" Opposition? Or the difference between opposing and sheer obstructionism?

For over a year under PP they offered no constructive criticism, no alternative solutions, just spent the entire time trying to force no confidence motions and dream up slogans. If you can't see that, it's obvious you can't see the overall picture of why they LOST the election.

[Army Guy]

19 hours ago, Barquentine said:

In theory, yes... I agree with most of your post, but I also agree with Eyeball about the 'Haves and Have-nots'.

Correct me if i'm wrong but eyeball is suggesting taking from the haves, or those that have worked hard to get where they are now, and give that to the have not's which have made a choice not to work hard or not at all..

I come from a family that was in that "have not" category, a huge combined family of 10 kids....each one of those kids worked hard and brought themselves out of the "have not" category....it takes sacrifice and like i said hard work....today we live a comfortable life, as do my kids, we are not rich by any means but we are not living in a trailer court, and eating kraft dinner, and peanut butter sandwiches everyday either... Here in NB i see families that have been on welfare for generations....due only to the fact they don't want to get that education or job to bring them up to the next level....I know there are plenty of people that say being on welfare is no joking matter, but these people are getting along just fine, gaming the system, and doing other things to make do.

Sorry but i don't support sharing, i will show you how to get to a better place, even give you short term material support, but i do not have any patience for lazy people.  

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure but now try to imagine this ethos in a world where most human labour just isn't required - where we'd just be in the way of the robots.

You better hope AI is left wing is all I can say.

And while we are pretending things that have not happened yet, we could be invaded by aliens and forced into slave labor...where conservative values are forced onto you lefties, in huge re education camps....

Sorry , what were you saying again...

 

[ExFlyer]

20 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Correct me if i'm wrong but eyeball is suggesting taking from the haves, or those that have worked hard to get where they are now, and give that to the have not's which have made a choice not to work hard or not at all..

I come from a family that was in that "have not" category, a huge combined family of 10 kids....each one of those kids worked hard and brought themselves out of the "have not" category....it takes sacrifice and like i said hard work....today we live a comfortable life, as do my kids, we are not rich by any means but we are not living in a trailer court, and eating kraft dinner, and peanut butter sandwiches everyday either... Here in NB i see families that have been on welfare for generations....due only to the fact they don't want to get that education or job to bring them up to the next level....I know there are plenty of people that say being on welfare is no joking matter, but these people are getting along just fine, gaming the system, and doing other things to make do.

Sorry but i don't support sharing, i will show you how to get to a better place, even give you short term material support, but i do not have any patience for lazy people.  

Oh, you are talking about our entire indigenous population??? 

[taxme]

On 5/25/2025 at 7:52 AM, blackbird said:

I have a Canadian acquaintance who works in China.  He reports:

"No homeless, no druggies, nobody trying to sell you things on the streets, no beggars, no pot smells, no ladies offering their love for money in sight, no drugs in schools, no loved ones overdosed. I got blood pressure medication at the pharmacy in minutes without prescription (modern medicine individually sealed). If only people realized how bad they have it in Canada."

So why are the things he mentioned so bad in Canada and not in China?  Is the problem the kind of governments Canadians elect and what is taught in schools?  Should we be doing things different.  It would seem that if we wanted to eliminate all the problems he listed, it would take a massive change in thinking and type of government.

It is a fact that many of our liberal of left-leaning politicians believe that freedom must include the freedom to be homeless, be druggies, prostitutes, drugs in schools, support sexual orientation/gender change ideology,  LGBTQ+2s rights (whatever that is), take drugs on streets or anywhere, and freedom to live in a country with a failing health care system.

Liberalism, socialism, communism and even environmentalism are the many reasons why Canada is in a bloody mess. And this is what we all got for the past ten years thanks to the lieberals and their who gives a shit bloody crap and woke nonsense about Canada or Canadians. It was very hard for me to have to accept the fact that there were so many stunned Canadian imbeciles out there who would once again put the lieberal party back in power.

We had a opportunity to hopefully eliminate all those destructive things you mentioned above, but for now, we are once again back to normal. More lieberalism bullshit and woke nonsense for the next five years. This is why i have no love for Canada anymore. It died a long long time ago. Hopefully, Alberta or all of the west separates and this country will be finally laid to rest. It does not deserve to exist any longer. We can thank lieberal Marxism for this destruction of a once great freedom loving country. RIP Canada. It's been a slice knowing you. 😒

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh, you are talking about our entire indigenous population??? 

No i was talking about those on federal welfare for years at a time....

Our indigenous population are not on welfare, but rather on other federal programs....but while we are here, do you think we are doing our indigenous population any good by paying them to stay home and do nothing...we have created a system where they are totally dependent on the feds for their very existence...Money, shelter, water, sewage, and in most cases we can't even do that...I'm sure the indigenous people are more than capable of doing all of that on their own,if not way better, considering the feds could not organize a gang bang in a whore house. 

[ExFlyer]

22 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

No i was talking about those on federal welfare for years at a time....

Our indigenous population are not on welfare, but rather on other federal programs....but while we are here, do you think we are doing our indigenous population any good by paying them to stay home and do nothing...we have created a system where they are totally dependent on the feds for their very existence...Money, shelter, water, sewage, and in most cases we can't even do that...I'm sure the indigenous people are more than capable of doing all of that on their own,if not way better, considering the feds could not organize a gang bang in a whore house. 

I believe welfare is a provincial jurisdiction.

So, getting free money from a government is welfare if you don't agree and a program if you do agree?

No, I certainly do not think we are doing the indigenous any good yet, here are are, all governments, liberal, conservatives, NDP etc all give everything to keep 5% of the population from whining about their self inflicted state.

Yes, they are capable but, they do not seem to be willing...just like your welfare folks in NB. 

As for the "the feds could not organize a gang bang in a whore house. "  all parties in the government are to blame, even when they are in opposition. You will never hear any MP or politician say what they really think of our "welfare" to the indigenous.

Edited Wednesday at 07:40 PM by ExFlyer

[Army Guy]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I believe welfare is a provincial jurisdiction.

So, getting free money from a government is welfare if you don't agree and a program if you do agree?

No, I certainly do not think we are dong the indigenous any good yet, here are are, all governments, liberal, conservatives, NDP etc all give everything to keep 5% of the population from whining about their self inflicted state.

Yes, they are capable but, they do not seem to be willing...just like your welfare folks in NB. 

As for the "the feds could not organize a gang bang in a whore house. "  all parties in the government are to blame, even when they are in opposition. You will never hear any MP or politician say what they really think of our "welfare" to the indigenous.

It is , But there are plenty of federal programs that come under welfare category..

https://maytree.com/changing-systems/data-measuring/welfare-in-canada/all-canada/

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/june-2024/welfare-state-provinces/

Thats not what i implied, there are many welfare programs that are needed,but like a good portion of our indigenous or other Canadians population have become dependent on some form of welfare for decades... and these type of programs need to be changed or stopped...

They would be willing if we limited their choices...

I did not point the fingers at one party or another, all government are responsible for the current state of our nation...more importantly Canadians are responsible for not standing up...

[ExFlyer]

21 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

It is , But there are plenty of federal programs that come under welfare category..

https://maytree.com/changing-systems/data-measuring/welfare-in-canada/all-canada/

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/june-2024/welfare-state-provinces/

Thats not what i implied, there are many welfare programs that are needed,but like a good portion of our indigenous or other Canadians population have become dependent on some form of welfare for decades... and these type of programs need to be changed or stopped...

They would be willing if we limited their choices...

I did not point the fingers at one party or another, all government are responsible for the current state of our nation...more importantly Canadians are responsible for not standing up...

I believe welfare, or pogey or even WSIB (in some circumstances like the ex mailman across form me that has a great life and has been on WSIB for a couple decades) or any other form of financial assistance should have limitations. 

You and I and most of our friends and colleagues didn't get to where we are by sitting back and just collecting.

My Wife worked fro Ontario social assitance and it got so bad, she was not allowed to talk to me about her work and she finally quit her job. Too easy to get it and too much given out, without question because it was not politically correct or accuse.

Edited Wednesday at 08:17 PM by ExFlyer

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Correct me if i'm wrong but eyeball is suggesting taking from the haves, or those that have worked hard to get where they are now, and give that to the have not's which have made a choice not to work hard or not at all..

That's wrong. I'm taking about when millions of labourers have been laid off by AI and automation in the near future, near enough we should be planning for it now.

And all conservatives want to talk about is their past grievances with the left while insisting AI and automation is no excuse for welfare.

Oh well, I guess there'll be lots of opportunities related to protecting the owners of AI and shaking down unemployed people.

 

[Army Guy]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's wrong. I'm taking about when millions of labourers have been laid off by AI and automation in the near future, near enough we should be planning for it now.

And all conservatives want to talk about is their past grievances with the left while insisting AI and automation is no excuse for welfare.

Oh well, I guess there'll be lots of opportunities related to protecting the owners of AI and shaking down unemployed people.

 

Thats the thing about working or providing a service you get paid for it, and if millions get laid off then they will have to find something else to do, adapt or perish. People can't expect to sit at home and do nothing then get paid for it.... 

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's wrong. I'm taking about when millions of labourers have been laid off by AI and automation in the near future, near enough we should be planning for it now.

And all conservatives want to talk about is their past grievances with the left while insisting AI and automation is no excuse for welfare.

Oh well, I guess there'll be lots of opportunities related to protecting the owners of AI and shaking down unemployed people.

 

It's always about narratives, which means stories.  There's a story that if you work hard you'll do well.

 

Ok.

 

Looking at impacts of the industrial revolution and the mechanization of agriculture, you can find out about HISTory

 

AI may well bring a wave of labour change bigger than Globalization ever did.

 

So, what needs to happen in response?

 

The same thing that follows any technology change: social change.

 

We're going through one of those now, with global communication, networks, technology enriching the investment class to the point that they have to scapegoat immigrants and transgender people to keep their hands on power.

I liked the previous setup better:: where they pretended to love browns and LGBTQ to keep power.

It's just nasty out there now.  

When the AI hits, or some other downturn happens, as they do, it's going to get even meaner.

[Legato]

31 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's wrong. I'm taking about when millions of labourers have been laid off by AI and automation in the near future, near enough we should be planning for it now.

And all conservatives want to talk about is their past grievances with the left while insisting AI and automation is no excuse for welfare.

Oh well, I guess there'll be lots of opportunities related to protecting the owners of AI and shaking down unemployed people.

 

You need to stop watching the Jetsons.

[cougar]

27 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

People can't expect to sit at home and do nothing then get paid for it.... 

So we will have a society with a few masterminds who design the AI, the machines will do everything for them and the rest of us, all billions of people will perish?

[Army Guy]

46 minutes ago, cougar said:

So we will have a society with a few masterminds who design the AI, the machines will do everything for them and the rest of us, all billions of people will perish?

Did the horse perish once cars were invented ? people adapt and overcome, AI will still need people in the loop, some where....It is people who will control what AI does or does not do....even in the terminator, and skynet war humans still where in the story some place...

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Ohhh, there I am again...

 

... having weird fantasies about being in my head   LOL yes we know  

Funny, you seem to spend all your time daydreaming about me and what you'd say if i could hear you, and i never think of you at all   

37 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Did the horse perish once cars were invented ? people adapt and overcome, AI will still need people in the loop, some where....It is people who will control what AI does or does not do....even in the terminator, and skynet war humans still where in the story some place...

This. 

Technology has wiped out almost all the jobs that humans have needed to do to stay alive... yet humans still have work and still thrive. 

AI is not going to leave humans out of work and dying. 

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

And sucking you all in....

How much fun should one guy be allowed to have?? 

Some of you are far to easy to hook. LOL

Just because I know you're trolling doesn't mean I don't want to answer your nonsense.

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

For Christ sake can you understand the term "Loyal" Opposition? Or the difference between opposing and sheer obstructionism?

For over a year under PP they offered no constructive criticism, no alternative solutions, just spent the entire time trying to force no confidence motions and dream up slogans. If you can't see that, it's obvious you can't see the overall picture of why they LOST the election.

Oh, quit your snivelling. You act like they never mentioned getting rid of various taxes until the day before the election or something. They never insisted that regulations hampering industry had to be cut back. Never demanded bail rules and laws that were causing havoc be removed. The only 'constructive criticism' you lot can see is whatever agrees with you.