Time for Western separation

[cougar]

40 minutes ago, taxme said:

Some Canadians are just to stupid to learn or know anything.

It is also possible that the exact opposite is true.  Maybe it is the conservatives who are too stupid to learn that jobs do not equate with oil and gas, mining and logging jobs only.

Their anti-environment position has become widely known to the Canadian public and with that they have become the dinosaurs of the past.   

It may be time to just scrap the party, change its name, send its supporters to another planet and such.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Biden was not Canada or Liberals or Trudeau.

Northern Gateway was stopped when there were no tankers allowed on the West coast. Your link does say that Trudeau did approve the Kinder Morgan expansion for natural gas.

Trudeau and Canada was never in the businesses of building refineries at any time...it is and was private enterprise and , as you say, business did not want to build them as they saw no money in it.

I do hope you read your very own links and find out that it was not the Libs that cancelled. The indigenous halted most of the projects.

 

 

 

 

You mean like Alberta???

Ha Ha Ha Ha..good one LOL

No biden is neither of those things, but it goes against what you had said, Biden refused to approve the permits, so no pipelines....even if TC energy want to build it...

Northern gateway was canceled by justin tredeau....it is right in the headline of my source....

https://globalnews.ca/news/3094856/northern-gateway-pipeline-line-3-approval-announcement/

Business did not want to becasue of c-69 , that and how hard liberals made it to get oil and gas to market....Germany and the rest of Europe could be burning Natural gas right now if it had not been for the liberals....there is lots of money in it....why would the carney liberals say they would build pipelines....if there was no money in it...

Ya sure indigenous s canceled all of them.

 

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Project: Frontier Oilsands Mine
Cost: $20.6 billion
Company: Teck Resources Ltd.

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The proposed oilsands mine in northern Alberta was expected to produce 260,000 barrels of oil per day. It was cancelled by the proponent over the weekend amid a major fight between Ottawa and Alberta over climate change issues, a lack of pipeline capacity and low oil prices. The project was expected to push up Canadian carbon emissions and was opposed by environmental groups, but enjoyed the support of many First Nations in the region.

 

Project: Northern Gateway
Cost: $7.9 billion
Company: Enbridge Inc.
The proposed pipeline to bring oil from northern Alberta to a port in Kitimat B.C. was approved by Stephen Harper’s government in 2014, but was quashed by a Federal Court of Appeal two years later. It was rejected by the Liberal government in 2016.

the rest were canceled becasue the federal government policies made it to hard to continue...hence why Bill c-69 is the anti pipeline bill...who wants to do business with a country that does not want it to...it cost to much...One on the list was canceled because of indigenous concern and they don't have the power to cancel anything that comes from the province or feds...

Re read those links 

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

 

Keystone was canceled by Biden....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/09/energy/keystone-pipeline-canceled/index.html

Northern gate way was canceled by the Liberals see source below...

https://globalnews.ca/news/3094856/northern-gateway-pipeline-line-3-approval-announcement/

Lets not even mention Justin canceling Natural gas refineries and pipelines as there is no business case for them...when Germany came hat in hand begging for gas...how many more do you want....because there is more...

 

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/scrapped-nearly-150-billion-worth-of-energy-projects-shelved-in-canada

https://energynow.ca/2025/02/canada-badly-misjudged-the-future-of-lng/

https://www.canadaaction.ca/northern-gateway-pipeline-cancellation-facts

 

 

Good points but I think they are falling on deaf ears.  He doesn't care.  Only on here to troll.  That's his way of entertaining himself.

[TreeBeard]

53 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Only on here to troll.

Is everyone here with whom you disagree a troll?

Edited 15 hours ago by TreeBeard

[West]

15 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Is everyone here whom you do not agree with a troll?

Like don't you care about team Canada?

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, cougar said:

Maybe it is the conservatives who are too stupid to learn that jobs do not equate with oil and gas, mining and logging jobs only

I asked you what jobs you think would replace our resource industries and you didn't answer.

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I asked you what jobs you think would replace our resource industries and you didn't answer.

What resources?

 

Way back in the day when we were protesting barge load after barge load of raw logs being shipped overseas for processing we were told the service economy was the future.

I remember this short little cartoon/meme making the rounds that showed two people standing in front of one another taking turns polishing one another's shoes.

Is it any wonder how or what really started hollowing out our economy? Our resources simply followed the factories we were busily shipping overseas.

[cougar]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I asked you what jobs you think would replace our resource industries and you didn't answer.

The answer would be obvious - manufacturing jobs and services.

[blackbird]

31 minutes ago, cougar said:

The answer would be obvious - manufacturing jobs and services.

"Canada's resource industries are key to economic growth12. They contribute 14.9% of Canada's GDP, with the energy industry alone accounting for half of resource output1. Nearly one in ten jobs are related to resources, employing 1.3 million Canadians1. Canada's comparative advantage in trade depends heavily on its resource sector, which accounted for 58% of all merchandise exports in 20231. Natural resources support 3 million jobs across Canada, or 1 in 7 jobs, or 15% of all jobs nationwide2. They generated $464 billion in real gross domestic product in 2023, accounting for approximately 21% of the national economy2. The natural resource industries offer annual wages that pay $25,000 more than the national average2."

Natural Resource Classification: The Backbone of Canada's Economic Growth - Business & Industry Canada

DeepDive: How mining became Canada’s surprising new engine of economic growth - The Hub

Untapped Potential: Driving Canadian Prosperity Through Natural Resources - Business Council of Alberta

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[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, taxme said:

 

That will be the day when the Feds had to bail out Alberta.

Ha, that day has come and gone at least 3 times now. I lived in Alberta one of those oil boom crashes when Alberta was broke and the Feds bailed them out. Ha

12 hours ago, taxme said:

WEF globalist Corney is a s

We get it, you don't like Carney but, PP lost and there ain't $hit you can do to change that.

12 hours ago, taxme said:

I am glad

No, you will not be glad for th enext 4+ years. You will keep whining like the proponents of the trucker debacle.

Suck it up buttercup...you backed a LOSER LOL

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, Army Guy said:

No biden is neither of those things,......

Northern gateway was canceled by justin tredeau....it is right in the headline of my source....

https://globalnews.ca/news/3094856/northern-gateway-pipeline-line-3-approval-announcement/

...

Ya sure indigenous s canceled all of them.

 

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Re read those links 

So, you are saying "Biden was Canada or Liberals or Trudeau"???

From your link. "Prime Minister Justin Trudeau approved two major oil pipeline expansions Tuesday, including the deeply controversial Trans Mountain line through suburban Vancouver,"

"Between the Trans Mountain and Line 3 expansions, the Liberals have cleared the way for exports of more than 1.1 million additional barrels of oil per day – and the production of between 23 and 28 million tonnes of additional greenhouse gases annually."

" the prime minister also left the door open to more pipeline approvals, saying each project would be examined on its merits."

"Alberta’s NDP premier Rachel Notley, who met Trudeau following the announcement, lauded the prime minister for his “extraordinary leadership” – crediting the Liberals for building the economy and moving forward aggressively on the environment while “understanding that you can do both at the same time.”"

and on and on and on.

Seems you have reading comprehension problems???

[ExFlyer]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

"Canada's resource industries are key to economic growth12. They contribute 14.9% of Canada's GDP, with the energy industry alone accounting for half of resource output1. Nearly one in ten jobs are related to resources, employing 1.3 million Canadians1. Canada's comparative advantage in trade depends heavily on its resource sector, which accounted for 58% of all merchandise exports in 20231. Natural resources support 3 million jobs across Canada, or 1 in 7 jobs, or 15% of all jobs nationwide2. They generated $464 billion in real gross domestic product in 2023, accounting for approximately 21% of the national economy2. The natural resource industries offer annual wages that pay $25,000 more than the national average2."

Natural Resource Classification: The Backbone of Canada's Economic Growth - Business & Industry Canada

DeepDive: How mining became Canada’s surprising new engine of economic growth - The Hub

Untapped Potential: Driving Canadian Prosperity Through Natural Resources - Business Council of Alberta

Yes, and the exact reasons the libs bought the failing pipeline projects and finished them so we could export the oil and gas.

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, West said:

Like don't you care about team Canada?

And what exactly is Team Canada by your standards???

[blackbird]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

What resources?

 

Way back in the day when we were protesting barge load after barge load of raw logs being shipped overseas for processing we were told the service economy was the future.

I remember this short little cartoon/meme making the rounds that showed two people standing in front of one another taking turns polishing one another's shoes.

Is it any wonder how or what really started hollowing out our economy? Our resources simply followed the factories we were busily shipping overseas.

huh????  What are you trying to say?

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

huh????  What are you trying to say?

That we only harvest a fraction of what we used to with only a fraction of the workers.

I'm just wondering why you think there's some big new resource renaissance on the horizon.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

"Alberta’s NDP premier Rachel Notley, who met Trudeau following the announcement, lauded the prime minister for his “extraordinary leadership” – crediting the Liberals for building the economy and moving forward aggressively on the environment while “understanding that you can do both at the same time.”"

"

How Canada’s Energy Sector Has Struggled Under Liberal Environmental Policies and Missed Opportunities for Global Leadership

Since the Liberal Party, led by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, took power in 2015, Canada’s energy sector has faced significant challenges due to the government's focus on environmental protection and regulatory reform. While the government argues these measures are necessary to combat climate change, critics contend that these policies have slowed or halted major energy projects, preventing Canada from reaching its full potential as a global energy leader. The influence of key advisors, such as former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney, has further reinforced a policy direction that prioritizes climate action over resource development. As a result, Canada has struggled to capitalize on its vast energy resources at a time when global demand remains high.

Missed Opportunities: Could Canada Have Been an Energy Superpower? "

How Canada’s Energy Sector Has Struggled Under Liberal Environmental Policies and Missed… | by Dr. Ravinder Tulsiani | Medium

PM Carney has supported the Trudeau /Liberal's anti energy industry agenda all along.   Now that he became PM in the face of Trump tariffs, he suddenly sounds like he is going to develop Canada's energy and other natural resource industries.   Is he telling the truth, or is it a half truth or is he really going to make a 180 degree shift in Liberal policies and abandon their anti-energy policies.  Did he say anything about abolishing the anti-pipeline law C69?

Edited 3 hours ago by blackbird

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

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How .....

Deflect all you want...she has been proven to be a Trump loyalist. As so. any conservatives.

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That we only harvest a fraction of what we used to with only a fraction of the workers.

I'm just wondering why you think there's some big new resource renaissance on the horizon.

Not sure what you mean by fraction of what we used to harvest.   What are you talking about?

I never said there is some big new resource renaissance on the horizon. 

Read what I just posted.  PM Carney sounds like he is going to do some things to develop our economy, but I am not sure exactly what he means.   He has a history of supporting Trudeau's anti energy industry policies.  Guess we will see what he does.  So far he has said little or nothing about what he will change.

Edited 3 hours ago by blackbird

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Deflect all you want...she has been proven to be a Trump loyalist. As so. any conservatives.

 You answered right away with a one-liner without even reading and considering the article I posted.

Edited 3 hours ago by blackbird

[ExFlyer]

35 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 You answered right away with a one-liner without even reading and considering the article I posted.

Yup,

Smith is a Trumpy and not Canadian or especially not a Team Canada player. Her ]press conference after PP lost was all about how the rest of Canada should succumb to what Alberta wants.

[West]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

Yup,

Smith is a Trumpy and not Canadian or especially not a Team Canada player. Her ]press conference after PP lost was all about how the rest of Canada should succumb to what Alberta wants.

All the West is asking for is for some fair ice time. If team Canada doesn't want to give that so that the team can reach its full potential, give them a trade or grant their release. 

Don't make them spent their prime years on the bench. 

[ExFlyer]

12 minutes ago, West said:

All the West is asking for is for some fair ice time. If team Canada doesn't want to give that so that the team can reach its full potential, give them a trade or grant their release. 

Don't make them spent their prime years on the bench. 

As if it has not been getting "some fair ice time".

It would not have anyplace to sell its oil and gas had it not been for the feds stepping in and finishing the pipelines.

And they, like every other province is going to get free trade between provinces but, what other than oil does it have to trade??

They have never been 'on the bench" that have always gotten bailed out and put on the ice. Maybe if they decide to play on the same team as the rest of Canada, they would get more.

Edited 2 hours ago by ExFlyer

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, cougar said:

It is also possible that the exact opposite is true.  Maybe it is the conservatives who are too stupid to learn that jobs do not equate with oil and gas, mining and logging jobs only.

Their anti-environment position has become widely known to the Canadian public and with that they have become the dinosaurs of the past.   

It may be time to just scrap the party, change its name, send its supporters to another planet and such.

Sorry but your low-IQ BS only works with your fellow tree-hugging m0r0ns.

If you wanna go back to living in the stone age then that's your choice, but no one else in this country wants to do that. 

FYI the people who say that "Canada should become a world-leader in green energy tech and reduce fossil fuel extraction" are all just Xi's useful id10ts: we can't compete with China for a multitude of reasons including:

• they flout patent laws to sell within their own country, so their companies instantly start off with a billion consumers while our companies have to fight through interprovincial and international tariffs to get to markets of more than a few million people
• they use slaves to produce goods and we pay people $30/hr
• their "non-slaves" still work for a fraction of the wages that Canadians work for
• their companies aren't bound by the same environmental and safety standards that Canadian companies have to abide by, which puts their products at even bigger discounts
• their gov't goes all-out to lower energy costs, which helps their manufacturers produce goods at a lower cost, while our Liberal gov't is constantly at war with energy extraction and production. Energy costs here have soared, as we all know, and then taxes were added on top of that.

Around the globe, countries are producing energy and goods at a furious pace while you're humping trees and screeching at people with actual jobs. They're using that money to increase their political and military clout while you're grandstanding and pouting.

If you're being honest with yourself, you're just the prototypical pathetic underling of the ret4rded hag - E. May. 

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Deflect all you want...she has been proven to be a Trump loyalist. As so. any conservatives.

I never posted anything from Daniel Smith or a Trump loyalist.  You don't even bother to read what people post.  Why waste your time on here?  Go play with your toys.

Edited 26 minutes ago by blackbird