blackbird Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 (edited) "There is no polite way to say this. Government spending is enemy number one. In Winnipeg. In Manitoba. In Canada. If we want to save this country from fiscal collapse, we need to stop pretending we can have it all. We can’t. We need hard decisions, and we need them now." "Here are just a few examples of federal government spending that have sparked outrage — even among those who aren’t typically concerned with budgets. · $1.7 million went to fund a musical called Lesbian Pirates. Yes, you read that right. It was part of Global Affairs Canada’s diversity programming in 2022-2023. You can find that in their reports, and it’s been widely discussed on social media. While people line up at food banks in Winnipeg, your federal government spent millions to fund niche entertainment projects overseas. · $50 million was pledged in 2024 to train midwives in South Sudan. Again, it fits the Feminist International Assistance Policy (FIAP), but it’s a questionable priority when Canadians can’t access their own family doctors. What’s the message here? Canadians can wait, but South Sudan gets fast-tracked?" KLEIN: Government spending is enemy number one I don't support or agree with Trump, but this kind of spending by Trudeau and the Liberals, if Trump ever got wind of it, would just add gas to the fire of his anger. This would be especially true when he knows Canada does not contribute its share to NATO or the defence of Canada and expects America to protect Canada. Unfortunately Liberal ideology is to spend, spend and spend more. They seem to have lost all reason and are willing to let the debt build up. As more money must go to service the debt, there will be less money available for services. At some point the government will not be able to provide the services that the people demand because they won't have the money and the prices of everything will be so high that the people won't be able to pay more taxes. So what happens when the government declares bankruptcy or inability to provide the services that people have grown to depend on? Maybe that is what it will take for people to learn there is no free lunch kind of government. Edited March 19 by blackbird Quote
eyeball Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 39 minutes ago, blackbird said: In Canada. If we want to save this country from fiscal collapse, we need to stop pretending we can have it all. What a lucky break, just when we happen to have a banker and economist who wants to run the country. You've been busy praying haven't you? Good job! 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
TreeBeard Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 What expertise does this Klein character have in economics and why should I believe his crazy speculation? Quote
CdnFox Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 2 hours ago, eyeball said: What a lucky break, just when we happen to have a banker and economist who wants to run the country. You've been busy praying haven't you? Good job! Banker yes, economist no. And unfortunately he's more of a carpet bagger than anything. When was the last time a global elite investor and banker ever saved a country? You might as well hire a high school drama teacher. Quote
Barquentine Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: You might as well hire a high school drama teacher. Or someone who's only ever been a rabid partisan attack dog... "Politics should not be a lifelong career, and elected officials should not be allowed to fix themselves in the halls of power of a nation." Pierre Poilevre Poilievre entered politics at an early age and stayed there. It’s safe to say he’s the textbook definition of a career politician. 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 10 hours ago, eyeball said: What a lucky break, just when we happen to have a banker and economist who wants to run the country. You've been busy praying haven't you? Good job! The populists hate bankers and anything representing order and stability. They're revolutionaries. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Legato Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Or someone who's only ever been a rabid partisan attack dog... "Politics should not be a lifelong career, and elected officials should not be allowed to fix themselves in the halls of power of a nation." Pierre Poilevre Poilievre entered politics at an early age and stayed there. It’s safe to say he’s the textbook definition of a career politician. That would be unique....a politician involved in politics. We have had Drama teachers, Bankers, the odd convicted felon who thinks climate needs to be climbed, a columnist and uncle Tom Cobley and all. What could go wrong. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 (edited) 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: Or someone who's only ever been a rabid partisan attack dog... However if you're referring to Poilievre he's been a lot more than that. But it's telling that you think someone who has done the job for all of their career is somehow less qualified than someone who has never done the job in their entire life Quote "Politics should not be a lifelong career, and elected officials should not be allowed to fix themselves in the halls of power of a nation." Pierre Poilevre Right..... can you point to where he said that? I know lefties often quote it but have you EVER seen ANY source for that? No? hmmmm. Ya think maybe someone made that up? Quote Poilievre entered politics at an early age and stayed there. It’s safe to say he’s the textbook definition of a career politician. He is. Just like you want a career doctor to be your surgeon and you want a career lawyer to defend you in court. we tried it your way last time and went with someone with zero experience. How'd that turn out? Worst prime minister in history. Edited March 19 by CdnFox 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 3 hours ago, Legato said: That would be unique....a politician involved in politics. 10 years ago, Conservatives hated “career politicians”. Now you all think they’re essential? Why the change? Quote
CdnFox Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 8 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: 10 years ago, Conservatives hated “career politicians”. Now you all think they’re essential? Why the change? What the hell are you even talking about? 10 years ago the conservatives were begging Canadians to accept a career politician because being prime minister isn't an entry-level job! The entire campaign was about experienced people should be doing the job instead of some drama teacher who's never had any experience And we were absolutely right then. And we are absolutely right now I love how you feel the need to lie about what conservative said to try and justify your position. Beginning to think that the concept of an honest liberal is the same as a negatively charged proton. 1 Quote
ironstone Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 14 hours ago, eyeball said: What a lucky break, just when we happen to have a banker and economist who wants to run the country. You've been busy praying haven't you? Good job! Is funding things like 'Lesbian Pirates' money well spent in your estimation? Do bankers typically give out loans for this kind of stuff? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Legato Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 38 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: 10 years ago, Conservatives hated “career politicians”. Now you all think they’re essential? Why the change? Noise only. All pi ss and wind. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: The populists hate bankers and anything representing order and stability. They're revolutionaries. Hate is such a strong word, the right does not hate bankers, just this one, who's resume is not all that impressive , he took credit for things he did not do during the 2008 financial crisis , the Brits did not seem to have much good to say about him, except he loves printing money and spending it on his own lavish tastes....Lets not forget he has stolen a good chunk of PP campaign ideas. He's not really come up with anything that is new to handle trump and diversifying our trade....His cabinet is the same as justins, only with a different wrapper that have thrown away liberal values, adopting a more right wing approach because it was working at least in the polls so ya we don't like the liberals new front man he is a poser...And we will see more of his colors in the next election... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 5 hours ago, Barquentine said: Or someone who's only ever been a rabid partisan attack dog... "Politics should not be a lifelong career, and elected officials should not be allowed to fix themselves in the halls of power of a nation." Pierre Poilevre Poilievre entered politics at an early age and stayed there. It’s safe to say he’s the textbook definition of a career politician. Yes, he has been elected over and over again...he has proven he can do the job, he knows all the in's and outs of politics and diplomacy why would that be a negative point....Your free to use your vote in any manner you want, want to vote liberal that's your choice, maybe after a 4th term they might actually do something worthwhile for the country, and not just themselves...but after 3 try's do you really think they are up to the task for the 4th time.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Hate is such a strong word, the right does not hate bankers, just this one, who's resume is not all that impressive , he took credit for things he did not do during the 2008 financial crisis , the Brits did not seem to have much good to say about him, except he loves printing money and spending it on his own lavish tastes....Lets not forget he has stolen a good chunk of PP campaign ideas. He's not really come up with anything that is new to handle trump and diversifying our trade....His cabinet is the same as justins, only with a different wrapper that have thrown away liberal values, adopting a more right wing approach because it was working at least in the polls so ya we don't like the liberals new front man he is a poser...And we will see more of his colors in the next election... Imagine a world where suddenly the left claims that they're the ones who love and support multi-billionaires and bankers and that it's the conservatives that hate big business Quote
ironstone Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: The populists hate bankers and anything representing order and stability. They're revolutionaries. Since when did you guys on the left start loving Goldman Sachs type bankers such as Mark Carney? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
eyeball Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 1 hour ago, ironstone said: Is funding things like 'Lesbian Pirates' money well spent in your estimation? Compared to a fentanyl czar? I have no idea. 1 hour ago, ironstone said: Do bankers typically give out loans for this kind of stuff? I assume you're talking about a musical production here. If the producers expect a ROI thru ticket sales and have a history of success and if all the other terms are met why not? If its a grant I haven't got a clue. Its the governments money not mine and I've been given to understand what it does with it is none of our business. Do you believe that? I don't but it is what it is. You probably need to ask different more fundamental questions about general accountability and transparency. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
TreeBeard Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, ironstone said: Since when did you guys on the left start loving Goldman Sachs type bankers such as Mark Carney? We don’t. Calling Libs left is your first mistake. They were left of the Cons, but now are probably just as rightwing economically. Certainly they’ll be left socially, which makes them a less worse choice than PP. Edited March 19 by TreeBeard 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 37 minutes ago, eyeball said: Its the governments money not mine Where do you think the government gets its money? That sentence right there is everything that's wrong with the left today 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: Right..... can you point to where he said that? I know lefties often quote it but have you EVER seen ANY source for that? No? hmmmm. Ya think maybe someone made that up? https://carillonregina.com/conservative-party-leadership-race-overview/ In his university years, Poilievre penned a 2,500 word essay titled Building Canada through Freedom for an “As Prime Minister” An excerpt from Poilevre’s essay reads “Politics should not be a lifelong career, and elected officials should not be allowed to fix themselves in the halls of power of a nation.” https://archive.org/details/building-canada-through-freedom-essay-pierre-poilievre_202407 Essay submitted to to Magna International's "As Prime Minister, I Would...", essay contest by Pierre Poilievre. His essay, titled "Building Canada Through Freedom", focused on the subject of individual freedom and among other things, argued for a two-term limit for all members of Parliament. https://www.ipolitics.ca/news/pierre-poilievre-evokes-strong-reactions“Politics should not be a lifelong career,” a 20-year-old Pierre Poilievre once wrote, “and elected officials should not be allowed to fix themselves in the halls of power of a nation.” 1 Quote
eyeball Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 16 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Where do you think the government gets its money? The same places you do. 17 minutes ago, CdnFox said: That sentence right there is everything that's wrong with the left today. What sentence? That's a snippet you copy/pasted and ignored the rest - that's what's wrong with you everyday. Address the rest of it and especially in the context of the sentence that followed it or get lost. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 4 hours ago, Barquentine said: https://carillonregina.com/conservative-party-leadership-race-overview/ In his university years, Poilievre penned a 2,500 word essay titled Building Canada through Freedom for an “As Prime Minister” An excerpt from Poilevre’s essay reads “Politics should not be a lifelong career, and elected officials should not be allowed to fix themselves in the halls of power of a nation.” https://archive.org/details/building-canada-through-freedom-essay-pierre-poilievre_202407 Essay submitted to to Magna International's "As Prime Minister, I Would...", essay contest by Pierre Poilievre. His essay, titled "Building Canada Through Freedom", focused on the subject of individual freedom and among other things, argued for a two-term limit for all members of Parliament. https://www.ipolitics.ca/news/pierre-poilievre-evokes-strong-reactions“Politics should not be a lifelong career,” a 20-year-old Pierre Poilievre once wrote, “and elected officials should not be allowed to fix themselves in the halls of power of a nation.” Are you kidding me. So NOT ONLY CAN YOU NOT ACTUALLY CITE IT, BUT THE ALLEDGED COMMENT IS FROM A SCHOOL PAPER HE WROTE OVER 30 YEARS AGO!! Before he ever even got into politics! While he was still a student! You should be thoroughly embarrassed. No wonder you didn't even try to cite it. Pathetic. Quote
Barquentine Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: You should be thoroughly embarrassed. No wonder you didn't even try to cite it. Pathetic. You're embarrassing yourself now. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: You're embarrassing yourself now. How by Talking to the likes of you? As long as nobody sees me doing it in public I should be fine. 30 plus year old quote in a school paper. SNICKER! Quote
ironstone Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 How do we compare to our American friends in per capita GDP? https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ontario-would-be-fifth-poorest-quebec-second-poorest-u-s-state/ Trevor Tombe, an economics professor at the University of Calgary, has written a piece for the Hub about the gap in economic performance between the U.S. and Canada. America’s much-discussed growth slowdown is very real, but the picture north of the border is even worse. “Compared to the same period last year, per capita GDP is now down 2.2 percent. Compared to 2022, it’s down 3.6 percent,” Tombe writes. “As RBC analysts correctly noted, this is a ‘recession-like’ performance.” “A longer historical perspective reveals a striking reality: the gap between the Canadian and American economies has now reached its widest point in nearly a century,” he continues. “The U.S. is on track to produce nearly 50 percent more per person than Canada will.” In a post on X promoting the story, Tombe included a map of U.S. states and Canadian provinces by GDP per capita. The data are measured in U.S. dollars, at purchasing-power parity. It shows that Ontario, home of Canada’s business capital of Toronto, would be the fifth-poorest U.S. state if it joined the union today. Ontario’s GDP per capita is $59,700. Only four states — Alabama ($58,800), Arkansas ($57,400), West Virginia ($56,200), and Mississippi ($49,800) — have lower GDPs per capita. Wow, not so encouraging! 1 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
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