ExFlyer Posted March 14 Report Posted March 14 (edited) Quote .Carney just cancelled the Carbon Tax. The Liberal government is immediately ending the consumer carbon price and made the change official during Prime Minister Mark Carney’s first cabinet meeting this afternoon. https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2025/03/14/prime-minister-mark-carneys-cabinet-terminates-consumer-carbon-price/? Edited March 14 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted March 14 Report Posted March 14 26 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: .Carney just cancelled the Carbon Tax. The Liberal government is immediately ending the consumer carbon price and made the change official during Prime Minister Mark Carney’s first cabinet meeting this afternoon. https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2025/03/14/prime-minister-mark-carneys-cabinet-terminates-consumer-carbon-price/? He canceled A Carbon tax, but he still intends to keep some carbon tax. He just is going to end the rebate as well. So it's still a cash cow for him. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 14 Author Report Posted March 14 14 minutes ago, CdnFox said: He canceled A Carbon tax, but he still intends to keep some carbon tax. He just is going to end the rebate as well. So it's still a cash cow for him. Yeah, details are missing. I am wondering if gas prices will be down tonite? My natural gas bill down as of today? it all in the details and those are missing There will still be one last rebate cheque in April. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ironstone Posted March 14 Report Posted March 14 From April 1 of 2024: Gasoline: Going from $65 per tonne to $80, means the carbon price on a litre of gasoline will now be 17.6 cents per litre, up 3.3 cents per litre from before. That means filling a 50 litre tank from empty will cost about $8.80 in carbon price, about $1.65 more than before. https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oil-gas/carbon-tax-increases-april-1-2024 On the example cited above, it would be nice to save that much on a fill up. I check the GasBuddy app every time I go out so it will be interesting to see how much the price drops, if any. 1 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
CdnFox Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Yeah, details are missing. I am wondering if gas prices will be down tonite? My natural gas bill down as of today? it all in the details and those are missing There will still be one last rebate cheque in April. Well it still doesn't take effect until April 1st though right? You can't just take the tax off you have to give companies a time to adjust their automatic billing systems and such. At least a few days. You're not sure gas bill should automatically, Weren't the carbon taxes noted separately on that? You should be at a fixed rate for your gas, I don't have natural gas where I live but all my buildings that have natural gas and any taxes are on top of that. Fuel..... hard to say a little because it's fluxing a bit right now as is. But i think it'll trend down Quote
Gaétan Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 The carbon tax was the object of so much Conservative negativity that it was toxic to the Liberals Quote
herbie Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I am wondering if gas prices will be down tonite? Do post if they go down more than a nickel. People seem to be surprised he did what he said he would. PP's gonna have to make up another slogan. 1 Quote
August1991 Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: .Carney just cancelled the Carbon Tax. The Liberal government is immediately ending the consumer carbon price and made the change official during Prime Minister Mark Carney’s first cabinet meeting this afternoon. https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2025/03/14/prime-minister-mark-carneys-cabinet-terminates-consumer-carbon-price/? We have a federal excise tax of 10 cents per litre. (Next time you buy gas, check the pump.) Let me know when it is lower. Quote
slady61 Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 The upcoming changes present an intriguing question about their economic impact on daily spending along with their effect on the nationwide financial structure. Consumers see this measure as a positive development even though no significant progress is anticipated towards achieving long-term climate objectives. Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 15 Author Report Posted March 15 (edited) 10 hours ago, August1991 said: We have a federal excise tax of 10 cents per litre. (Next time you buy gas, check the pump.) Let me know when it is lower. The topic is Carney eliminating carbon tax. Excise tax on gasoline has been around since 1987. Edited March 15 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted March 15 Author Report Posted March 15 (edited) 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: Well it still doesn't take effect until April 1st though right? You can't just take the tax off you have to give companies a time to adjust their automatic billing systems and such. At least a few days. You're not sure gas bill should automatically, Weren't the carbon taxes noted separately on that? You should be at a fixed rate for your gas, I don't have natural gas where I live but all my buildings that have natural gas and any taxes are on top of that. Fuel..... hard to say a little because it's fluxing a bit right now as is. But i think it'll trend down I think the story says right away. I think the tax elimination in BC is April 1 https://www.biv.com/news/economy-law-politics/april-1-carbon-tax-hike-to-be-cancelled-10377827 I thought the carbon tax was a legislated law and, I am not sure, but does that not require parliamentary action to repeal a law?? Anyway, as I said, details are missing. 11 hours ago, Gaétan said: The carbon tax was the object of so much Conservative negativity that it was toxic to the Liberals And....? They are doing away with it. Edited March 15 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
herbie Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 Oh start the battle cry! Carbon Tax Carney made you wait two weeks! 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 1 minute ago, herbie said: Oh start the battle cry! Carbon Tax Carney made you wait two weeks! What are you even talking about now? I realize that it's the weekend and you're probably drinking but for god's sake makes sense..... Quote
herbie Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 Oh gee, the man who can't understand allegory can't follow a conversation either. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 9 minutes ago, herbie said: Oh gee, the man who can't understand allegory can't follow a conversation either. Oh gee the man who never met a bottle of Nyquil he didn't like Can't explain what he meant in our furious that other people don't know what he meant either. Sober up you lush Quote
Army Guy Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 3 hours ago, herbie said: Oh start the battle cry! Carbon Tax Carney made you wait two weeks! Yes Carney did cancel the carbon tax, Kudos for him following what the people wanted all along....but why the 180, because it was popular to do so ? kind of puts climate change in a bad light...the LIBERALS carbon tax was supposed to bring us to our agreed goals on climate change ....and yet were are not even close to on target....what is on the horizon is what scares me.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 10 hours ago, ExFlyer said: The topic is Carney eliminating carbon tax. Excise tax on gasoline has been around since 1987. The primary objective of an excise tax is to raise revenue for the government while supporting public policy objectives such as reducing smoking or promoting environmentally friendly products. Which is just as woke as the carbon tax. Except people don't get a tax credit or rebate for quitting smoking. That would be really woke. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Yes Carney did cancel the carbon tax, Kudos for him following what the people wanted all along....but why the 180, because it was popular to do so ? What other possible reason could there be? 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: kind of puts climate change in a bad light... No. What it really puts in a bad light is action to mitigate AGW. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: ...the LIBERALS carbon tax was supposed to bring us to our agreed goals on climate change ...and yet were are not even close to on target... The carbon tax, pricing, whatever you want to call it, would still have gone a long way towards that. What's being eliminated remains the most cost effective way of getting there. Anyway it was Ralph Klein's Conservatives who were the first to put price on carbon in Canada in 2003. How come that didn't make everything right as rain before Trudeau? You guys had even longer to fix things than the Liberals and yet here we are. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: ....what is on the horizon is what scares me.... If you mean Carney's tax or PP's you should be, they'll both cost more do less and make the rich richer. Good job. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 1 hour ago, eyeball said: The primary objective of an excise tax is to raise revenue for the government while supporting public policy objectives such as reducing smoking or promoting environmentally friendly products. Which is just as woke as the carbon tax. Except people don't get a tax credit or rebate for quitting smoking. That would be really woke. The problem is you're so under educated you don't even realize how ridiculous what you're saying is. The reason that the conservatives originally supported the idea of a carbon tax is that it is very similar to things like a smoking tax or other sin taxes which are designed To help reduce Behavior that's been identified as being significantly harmful and negative for the people at large. Nobody wants to pay for someone else's cancer because they wanted to smoke. And sin tax like that can work. Because people can choose not to smoke. As long as the government offers lots of opportunity to move away from smoking such as free tools for quitting or the like it can be very effective and can help stop people from starting in the first place. The problem is while you can choose to stop smoking, you really can't choose to stop not freezing in the dark when it's cold out. And that's why the conservatives dropped the tax idea very early on when the initial studies showed that people's choice about power was not elastic enough for this to possibly work. Too many people were too poor to go out and buy a more fuel efficient vehicle, they eat or had the most fuel efficient vehicle they could get at the time or they were broke and couldn't buy one. They still had to heat their homes and no amount of caring about global warming was going to stop winter from freezing. They still had to get to work, they still had to get the kids to hockey, etc etc So even though they knew it wouldn't work the liberals went ahead with it because they knew they could tax the people and pretend to give it back while still in reality keeping Very large hunks of it to use for their spending without making people angry. This was nothing but snake oil. It never had any chance of helping. And as long as it kept increasing every year or so it meant significant tax revenues for the federal government because there is a significant lag between when the taxes collected and when it is refunded. Not to mention that they charge GST on top of it and that is never refunded. But I usually stupid people such as yourself think that they're actually somehow getting magical free money that came from nowhere and exceeds what they pay when in reality we now know that that's not the case for about 80% of people. And who suffered the worst? People living in true poverty who don't generally file any taxes but still had to pay the carbon tax on the price of food and for any energy that they did manage to use. Which is why homelessness shot through the roof. That's what makes it woke. It didn't do what they said it would do, and it killed an impoverished people that it was supposed to help and it's only purpose in life was to make people like you feel better about the fact that you were doing nothing. I honestly don't know how you live with yourself other than to lie constantly to mask what a piece of garbage you are Quote
blackbird Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 So carbon tax Carney is eliminating the consumer carbon tax. But he says nothing about the caps on the oil and gas industry and the carbon taxes on industry, which hampers growth of the industries and prevents Canada from producing and selling more oil and gas on the world stage. The development of our natural resources and sale to other countries overseas could help to offset the harm that will come from Trump's tariffs. We have a lot of natural resources in the ground that we need to develop and sell to make Canada a prosperous nation. Carney was a outspoken defender of carbon taxes and a high representative on the U.N. war on climate change. I hope voters don't forget that. He and Trudeau already did a lot of harm to Canada. Quote
eyeball Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The reason that the conservatives originally supported the idea of a carbon tax is that it is very similar to things like a smoking tax or other sin taxes which are designed To help reduce Behavior that's been identified as being significantly harmful and negative for the people at large. Nobody wants to pay for someone else's cancer because they wanted to smoke. Yeah, that's what I just said. Woke like an excise tax. LMAO! You're just like a Liberal - copying everyone else and calling it yours. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yeah, that's what I just said. Woke like an excise tax. LMAO! You said it was like an excise tax and I pointed out why it isn't. But of course there was more than one sentence so it was probably too hard for you to follow along I love when you drink on the weekend Quote
Army Guy Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 2 hours ago, eyeball said: What other possible reason could there be? No. What it really puts in a bad light is action to mitigate AGW. The carbon tax, pricing, whatever you want to call it, would still have gone a long way towards that. What's being eliminated remains the most cost effective way of getting there. Anyway it was Ralph Klein's Conservatives who were the first to put price on carbon in Canada in 2003. How come that didn't make everything right as rain before Trudeau? You guys had even longer to fix things than the Liberals and yet here we are. If you mean Carney's tax or PP's you should be, they'll both cost more do less and make the rich richer. Good job. Well like you have alluded to yourself, meeting our agreements would be a good reason. Canceling the liberals sacred cow, and reversing carbon taxes proves it did not really do anything for climate change, nor did it benefit canada in any meaningful way, and like most liberal programs complete failure....and lastly there is not much of a crises if all we can mange to scrape up was 8 plus percent of our climate change goals... Well achieving 8 % of our goal is not the most effective way...everyone gets that except you... What you seem to forget is the liberals made a clear choice, not to meet any of our agreement goals, that it was all a sham, no crisses, no issues, if there was and our planet was in jeopardy why not up our efforts, why not put more money towards climate change instead of asking the Tax payer to pay some money then give most of it back at the end of the year....But they can do anything they want if the conservatives did not do anything 10 years ago..it is a free ticket to ride...Liberals made the choice, not to do anything productive where is all your anger for them...wait... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
TreeBeard Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: reversing carbon taxes proves it did not really do anything for climate change Could it be a politician making a political calculation and canceling for political reasons? Quote
Army Guy Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 which political reasons....it is not popular....because the Canadian people know best right...it's all about votes...we are after all in almost in an election, and they were 20 points behind...what do you think it was about ? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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