Carney wins with 86% of vote

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

If you truly believe that being PM is not much different than being MP then you know nothing about politics. 

 

LOL you're a complete !diot some days  

It's a hell of a lot closer than being a banker   It's not going to win this one and you're looking like a complete retarded fool trying to pretend otherwise

 

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Well denigrating public sector employees as not having “real jobs” is a conservative standard.

 

Looks like it's your standard now

 

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But  being a political crony your whole life is even worse than that.  Earning a 6-figure salary and full pension at age 31 after only a few years on the job while claiming to be an Ottawa outsider and spokesman of the working class etc is pretty rich. 

But it hasn't been a few years. He's been a dedicated person for well over two decades.

And I'm afraid the picture you're painting there is Carney, other than the 31 part. Poilievre is not claiming to be any kind of outsider and he absolutely is a spokesman of the working class. He's not rich, he was not born to a rich family, his wife was not born to a rich family, they both earned everything that they have.
 

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I am not saying PP isnt qualified to be PM

Yeah you are, and you're looking very stupid doing it. It's the most childish argument you could make. Being an MP, sitting in the Committees, doing the work absolutely prime's you for being prime minister. Absolutely does, there's no debate or argument.

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Carney will have the technocratic side of government down pretty well.  He’s demonstrated that he has the subject matter knowledge and experience especially on finance and economics which is something JT, Trump and PP don’t have  

Nope. He doesn't have the technocratic side of the government down at all. He absolutely doesn't have any knowledge of the finance and economics, he's a banker and not even a banker for banks that can go out of business. About the best you could say is he has a limited understanding of fiscal policy but even then he largely did what he was told and where he didn't he didn't have a great success record. And remember, people said exactly the same thing about trump. You're trying to make the same argument for Carney that people made for trump, he knows about business so therefore he must know about government. They are not the same thing

And sorry but Poilievre Has long since proven his credentials with regards to finance and maybe liberals highly embarrassed as a result. He served on finance committees he was the shadow finance minister he has education on the subject and he's been working with the government finances for 20 years now.

 

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He will need to learn the political side: baby-kissing, fundraising, internal party politics, and so on  But if JT could learn it so can he  

The political side is a lot more than that, and JT never did learn it. Do I have to remind you that JT was just thrown out of his own party a couple months ago? After he was repetitively voted the worst prime minister in the history of Canada again and again?

Conservatives told your type then that being prime minister is not an entry-level job. You didn't believe us and look what happened, our country has been trashed

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also needs to work on having a personality that appeals to voters as he seems like he’s naturally an introvert and kind of uninspiring.   But then again so was Harper.

Sure, you can substitute character and Charisma and Flash with a solid plan that gets people excited. A good story goes a long way. As I said of harper back in the day if you don't have a charismatic man you better have a charismatic plan, and he did.

The carney doesn't. He's basically regurgitating poilievre talking points and he's already been caught lying

 

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Hopefully Canadians can still get behind a boring-but-competent leader  Then again PP has a divisive love-him-or-hate-him personality with all his constant insults and snakiness so maybe a boring and level Carney will be attractive in comparison  

Carney would be a horrible choice. Everything bad that Justin has done would happen again except worse. This was Justin's advisor since 2020 on finance matters. He believes in the same policy and he has the same track record of corruption and grift. This guy doesn't give a crap about Canada, or you, or anybody else. He's going to line his pockets with taxpayers money or funnel it into friendly organizations who will give him sweet do nothing positions for massive cash after he quits being pm. And if Canada is burning at the end of it he will not care.

if Joly or some of the others had been chosen (didn't run of course because of carney's coronation = but had they) i wouldn't vote for them but at least you could make the argument that they'd be responsible choices who had canada's best interests at heart ,

But you need to wake up - Carney is no friend of Canada. 

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, Army Guy said:

please explain how PP is vulnerable to trump, more than say carney ?

It's not just Trump that's making Canadians back away from PP, the whole right-wing brand is wearing thin.

Vote woke go broke? It seems voting for the angry hard-boiled MAGA vision for the future is making people even more broke if plunging stock markets and fear of a Trump induced recession grows.

[PIK]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's not just Trump that's making Canadians back away from PP, the whole right-wing brand is wearing thin.

Vote woke go broke? It seems voting for the angry hard-boiled MAGA vision for the future is making people even more broke if plunging stock markets and fear of a Trump induced recession grows.

He explained his version of woke. But he is like him or not the leader we need. Get this country making money again. Not tying up our resources with CC rules and regs. Carney is a CC fanatic, plain and simple. And he is not going to get rid of the carbon taxes. Just repackage them. Again Carneys resume and his book says it all.

[TreeBeard]

29 minutes ago, PIK said:

Carney is a CC fanatic

I sure hope so.  But I don’t think he is. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Carney is a CC fanatic, plain and simple.

PP is a climate change denier plain and simple. Carbon tax election? LMAO!

He clearly doesn't have the balls, honesty or integrity to call it a climate change is bullshit election.

[PIK]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

PP is a climate change denier plain and simple. Carbon tax election? LMAO!

He clearly doesn't have the balls, honesty or integrity to call it a climate change is bullshit election.

No he's not. Natural CC is real. it's these very expensive leftwing scams,that's the issue. You think carney can stop the ice melting? Can he force mother nature to hold the temp?  What bang have we got from the trillion dollars that has changed hands? How many people got stinking rich over it?

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, PIK said:

No he's not. Natural CC is real.

Excuse me, I should have said, he clearly doesn't have the balls, honesty or integrity to call it an AGW is bullshit election.  Kicking PP's ass on the climate file will be as simple as asking him if he even thinks AGW is real. You can bet PP won't be answering Natural CC is real even if that's what the most solid base of his supporters want to see and hear.

Instead he'll be politically correct and signal his virtue and probably without the apple.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's not just Trump that's making Canadians back away from PP, the whole right-wing brand is wearing thin.

Vote woke go broke? It seems voting for the angry hard-boiled MAGA vision for the future is making people even more broke if plunging stock markets and fear of a Trump induced recession grows.

See you at the election  

58 minutes ago, eyeball said:

PP is a climate change denier plain and simple. Carbon tax election? LMAO!

He clearly doesn't have the balls, honesty or integrity to call it a climate change is bullshit election.

Of course that's not true but as always you have to lie about it because the truth doesn't serve you

He believes in climate change he just doesn't believe that tax and Canadians is going to make a difference. And he's right

[PIK]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

Excuse me, I should have said, he clearly doesn't have the balls, honesty or integrity to call it an AGW is bullshit election.  Kicking PP's ass on the climate file will be as simple as asking him if he even thinks AGW is real. You can bet PP won't be answering Natural CC is real even if that's what the most solid base of his supporters want to see and hear.

Instead he'll be politically correct and signal his virtue and probably without the apple.

It's called a ice age. Which is coming to a end. And no man will ever change it. Think about it? They are saying,give us your money and we will end it. Come on man, taxes don't do poop, just makes the coffers and certain people richer. 

Edited March 11 by PIK

[Shady]

The Liberal leadership race was rigged from the beginning.  Carney was getting briefing from the government a few weeks ago.  It was all for show.

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

Excuse me, I should have said, he clearly doesn't have the balls, honesty or integrity to call it an AGW is bullshit election.  Kicking PP's ass on the climate file will be as simple as asking him if he even thinks AGW is real. 

Is this election all about the bogeyman for you, eyeball?

Is climate change really your hill to die on?

If you completely eliminate CC from your election wants and needs, what else is important to you?

I honestly feel like you're just going to read the answer from a CBC article... I've never seen anyone as devoted to a single news source as you are. 

[PIK]

46 minutes ago, Shady said:

The Liberal leadership race was rigged from the beginning.  Carney was getting briefing from the government a few weeks ago.  It was all for show.

It was certainly obvious, lol  I doubt Trudeau was making big promises on his last few days without briefing carney. 

[WestCanMan]

43 minutes ago, Shady said:

The Liberal leadership race was rigged from the beginning.  Carney was getting briefing from the government a few weeks ago.  It was all for show.

The Libs had to choose a leader who wasn't goose-stepping along with Trudeau for the last 4 years.

Canadians clearly needed a change and everyone in the LPOC had their noses so far up Trudeau's arse that they could taste his breakfast before he did. Chrystia Freeland is just a menopausal version of Trudeau.

So CBC pimped the Carney out as "the reason we got through the 2008 recession" and that was enough to anoint him. 

I find it hilarious that 5 years after Harper the CBC and Trudeau could still blame Harper for everything that went wrong, but they also managed to take all the credit away from him for dodging the recession while he was PM  😂

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, PIK said:

It's called a ice age. Which is coming to a end. And no man will ever change it. Think about it?

Have you presented this conclusion to the IPCC? If you actually have evidence of this and it checks out you'll be I'm line for a Nobel prize, millions in cash and prizes and of course you'll be buried under a pile of underwear that would make Steven Tyler blush.

You could single handedly save the global economy and bring peace to Earth.

Have you thought about that?

4 hours ago, PIK said:

They are saying,give us your money and we will end it. Come on man, taxes don't do poop, just makes the coffers and certain people richer. 

No one is getting rich off Canada's carbon tax. 90% of it is returned to lower income people 10% goes to AGW initiatives and the cost is born by those people who produce the most emissions, which is to say wealthier Canadians who can afford the tax. Of course these are who can also afford to make the sort of investment in the emmission free technology it takes to avoid the tax and they get subsidies for doing so which is what the other 10% collected goes towards.

It's called revenue neutral for a reason and that neutrality is why so many economists support it.

It also leaves fossil fuel companies out of it and all they'll see is demand for their products decline. Something they're already planning for.

Everything Poilievre is proposing that you're voting for will do less, cost more and make the people who own fossil fuel companies rich off subsidies. This will only incentivize them to stay in business as long as possible thereby making AGW worse - and no rebates for low-income people.

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[-TSS-]

Have you noticed any difference in your lives based on which party is in the government? 

I can say from my Finnish perspective where we always have coalition-governments that I really haven't.

I guess if one lives near the poverty-line then cutting the benefits is something really hits the everyday life of such a person or if somebody is loaded with money whose dividends could be taxed with a different rate based which government taxes makes a huge difference but ordinary people rarely see any difference which government there is. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Libs had to choose a leader who wasn't goose-stepping along with Trudeau for the last 4 years.M  😂

The thing is he was. He was Trudeau's financial advisor and was involved with the liberals a great deal. And that is coming out

This is why he's trying to do that same thing that Kamala Harris did where he pretends that he's exactly the same as the previous government and also entirely different at the same time. I imagine it should work just as well for him as it did for her

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The thing is he was. He was Trudeau's financial advisor and was involved with the liberals a great deal. And that is coming out

If he was going to Carney for advice then I just gained respect for Justin. I honestly thought that he was going to the ayatollah for his marching orders. 

[Aristides]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

 

It's called revenue neutral for a reason and that neutrality is why so many economists support it.

 

 

It's not revenue neutral in BC. The NDP's first order of business when they gained power was to remove the requirement to be revenue neutral. Now it is just another wealth redistribution tax. 

Revenue neutral means an increase in one tax will be offset by decreases in other taxes.

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[Shady]

16 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Have you noticed any difference in your lives based on which party is in the government? 

I can say from my Finnish perspective where we always have coalition-governments that I really haven't.

I guess if one lives near the poverty-line then cutting the benefits is something really hits the everyday life of such a person or if somebody is loaded with money whose dividends could be taxed with a different rate based which government taxes makes a huge difference but ordinary people rarely see any difference which government there is. 

There’s a big difference with the Trudeau government.  They’ve made everything worse with record immigration with no regard to its impact on services and housing.  And the carbon tax has helped make everything more expensive.  Both those things wouldn’t have happened if the Conservatives had been in office.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

It's not revenue neutral in BC. The NDP's first order of business when they gained power was to remove the requirement to be revenue neutral. Now it is just another wealth redistribution tax. 

It's not that different in BC, the Climate Action Tax Credit goes to those with lower income.

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Revenue neutral means an increase in one tax will be offset by decreases in other taxes.

Or thru direct transfers (ie to low income folks) that result in little to no net gain for the government.

But I suppose if trying to do anything at all to mitigate AGW is just so much communism, the battle was always lost before it even got started.

 

[herbie]

So act like a genuine conservative. Collect the GST and Carbon Tax and don't rebate it. Use it to bring down the deficit as that's most important to you.

"Wealth redistribution" is the 8th Deadly Sin in your minds, eh?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It's not that different in BC, the Climate Action Tax Credit goes to those with lower income.

 

It is that different. The NDP admitted it in the last election, they said they couldn't get rid of the carbon tax because of the revenue it generated. Only the rebellion of the people is forcing them to consider it now

And the chief budget officer for the feds made it clear that most families are suffering losses under the Federal GST as well

 

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

So act like a genuine conservative. Collect the GST and Carbon Tax and don't rebate it. Use it to bring down the deficit as that's most important to you.

 

But you mean a genuine left-wing government because it was the left-wing government that did that. And it's a left-wing government federally that's doing that as well

Genuine conservatives wouldn't charge the tax in the first place and would let people keep their money and everything would be cheaper

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It is that different. The NDP admitted it in the last election, they said they couldn't get rid of the carbon tax because of the revenue it generated.

Maybe in your imagination, they also said they'll be scrapping it once Ottawa does so be patient.

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And the chief budget officer for the feds made it clear that most families are suffering losses under the Federal GST as well

Yeah well you know me, I'm with Warren Buffet - we should be taxing the snot out of the rich.

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Maybe in your imagination, they also said they'll be scrapping it once Ottawa does so be patient.

And in the chief budget officers imagination too? My how you do like to ignore the facts and the science when it doesn't work for you  

And yes the liberals have given up even trying to pretend that the tax achieves anything and are scrapping it or at least promising to. Even the NDP agrees with that. People have realized that the carbon tax was a fraud

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yeah well you know me, I'm with Warren Buffet - we should be taxing the snot out of the rich.

We are. They pay for the vast majority of taxes in Canada. Your tax rate would have to double or triple if they weren't already being taxed vastly more than everyone else.

Is your kind of thinking that has made Canada a worse place in the last 10 years. I think we should be letting everybody to prosper and that people that are in their money should be allowed to keep it. But that's why you are a fascist socialist where as I support freedom and capitalism   Different strokes I guess

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

And yes the liberals have given up even trying to pretend that the tax achieves anything and are scrapping it or at least promising to. Even the NDP agrees with that. People have realized that the carbon tax was a fraud

Everyone just went with the flow when the tax turned to kryptonite is all.

Which always begs the question what next given everything else is more expensive, less effective and costs taxpayers more?