Trump and Vance Loudly Rebuke Zelensky in Oval Office | The New York Times

I am Groot · March 1

15 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

and now the electorate has decided to abandon the war in Ukraine

democracy in action

Weakness in action. Dictators know they just have to hold on a few years and the Americans will tire of the fighting and give in. What did they accomplish in Vietnam? Nothing. They surrendered and the Communists took full control. Same thing in Afghanistan. They also gave up on Iraq. And now they've given up on Ukraine. Where will Putin push next with the 100 brigades he's currently got fighting the Ukrainians? Western Europe can maybe muster three or four. Add Poland and it's maybe a dozen. Ukraine has fifty. And if Russia takes Ukraine then those fifty eventually wind up adding to Russian power while the West goes to sleep again and the Americans tear themselves apart over pronouns and gender arguments (in no small part incited by Russian and Chinese propaganda and paid bots).

I am Groot · March 1

13 hours ago, West said:

Sure. Take out putin. I don't care. Just end the war. Too many innocent people, including children, are being caught in a crossfire PROBABLY over Ukraine's natural resources that China and the Democrat handlers wanted.

No. The war in Ukraine is because Putin does not want democracies on his border. Phony ones he can control are okay, but not real ones looking Westward. And because he believes Ukraine is a part of Russia and they should be together again as they were in the Soviet Union. Putin doesn't give a shit about NATO. He knows NATO is toothless and couldn't agree to invade him in a million years. And it's not like I'm inferring this. He's said so.

BeaverFever · March 1

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That seems to be par for the course in NA lately.

When Trudeau's not embroiled in scandals, or denigrating Canadians for fake hijab hoaxes, paying off terrorists, bringing terrorists to state dinners in foreign countries, calling Canadians "racists and misogynists" just for not vaxing, calling the Japanese PM Chinese, forcing young people to take a jab that they don't need and then ignoring the side-effects, offering Canadians death instead of caring, or getting shuffled off to the kiddie table, Biden is talking to drapes, falling up stairs, falling off bikes, making up words like "nexelsrent" and forgetting how to speak English, smooching little kids on the mouth, etc.

From the inside I think we still feel pretty cool, but the world has been laughing at us a lot over the past 5 years.

By your own argument, he's still "running the country".

His cabal is officially in charge of running the country but they’re incompetent, unqualified and disorganized. Already there’s infighting and contradictory messages coming from different areas. There’s no coherent policy or doctrine, just random half-baked pronouncements popping up by surprise as all the hacks, grifters and know-nothings in his administration jockey for power and try to push their own agendas and self-interest. And it’s barely been a month.

Aristides · March 1

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Afghanistan just called. I couldn't hear what they were saying, they've been laughing so hard since the "really successful withdrawal".

You mean the withdrawal that Trump negotiated?

Aristides · March 1

Aristides · March 1

Zelensky gave a very adult interview on FOX. No matter how hard the interviewer tried he couldn't goad him into jumping into the gutter with Trump and Vance

Aristides · March 1

WestCanMan · March 1

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I'm recalling the image of a cowed Trump in the White House meeting the Taliban in all their majesty. I assure you he didn't dare critique their choice of clothing before surrendering to them.

It's bizarre how addicted leftists and TDS victims are to finding imaginary faults with Trump.

He actually has serious flaws that you could point to, but for some reason they're not good enough, so you make sh1t up.

FYI Trump came out of negotiations with the Taliban achieving the one thing he wanted: an end to the loss of American lives in Afghanistan. But here you are trying to act as if his negotiations with the Taliban were bad.

Would you have liked it more if he peed on the guy's leg, then pounded his chest like a silverback, and threw him out the window, only to have 50 more Americans die in Afghanistan?

What kind of goals do you think Trump should set when he walks into a meeting? Look bad-ass or end a war?

Do Trump's meetings with Zelensky and Putin offend you too?

Here's something to take with you: Biden and Trudeau didn't look badass even once in the past 5 years. In fact, they've constantly embarrassed their countries with their body language and their gaffes (Trudeau even more than Biden, surprisingly), but at the end of the day, their terrible policies always hurt us worse than their unfortunate demeanour did.

Edited March 1 by WestCanMan

BeaverFever · March 1

11 hours ago, West said:

Then why did Biden feel the need to pardon his son for everything Ukraine going back a decade?

Because Trump appointed a number of conspiracy extremists like Kash Patel who publicly said they would abuse their office to politically prosecute and impose unprecedented and unjustified prison sentences on him.

BeaverFever · March 1

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Would you have liked it more if he peed on the guy's leg, then pounded his chest like a silverback, and threw him out the window, only to have 50 more Americans die in Afghanistan?

Isn’t that what you want Sharon to do to Palestinians even if thousands more Israelis die? Why the hypocrisy?

gatomontes99 · March 1

You know the left has lost when they can only reply with memes.

Anyone want to do a hypothetical? Let's say you were getting a divorce and you walk into the courtroom to find the judge is your spouse's best friend. Are you going to expect a fair outcome?

Why would Russia expect the USA to be a fair negotiator if we are expressing that we want Ukraine to win? Trump wants to negotiate a deal. He can't do that if he's on one side of the fence.

WestCanMan · March 1

39 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

His cabal is officially in charge of running the country but they’re incompetent, unqualified and disorganized.

See, there you go already, belching out senseless garbage just to keep your gums flapping. What was the point of that?

Everyone on earth knows that Elon Musk is anything but incompetent, unqualified or disorganized. You just made the least sensible attack on him that you could possibly make.

Look at Rubio, Patel, Gabbard and Vance dismantling leftist reporters left and right. It's like watching wolverines fighting rabbits.

Your sad little tears are raindrops hitting a locomotive, Beave.

Pro tip: if you want to score some points, just find a legitimate target and drill down on it. Eg, the fact that Trump's pissing on everything he sees and saying it's his. He makes Putin look really boring.

Putin: "Komrades, let's take a little bit of Ukraine, heheheeee. We will make the Donbas ours! OURS!!!!!!"

Trump: "Yeah, I'll take all of Canada, all of Greenland (by force if we have to), the Panama Canal, Gaza, and all the mineral rights in Ukraine for starters. Then I'll see what's still around."

Putin: "Wait, what? Can I have what he's having? Is there a waiter or something that we can talk to?"

Nope. You wanna act like the biggest problem in the WH is that Elon is a nincompoop. I don't even get it. It's like you're slyly pumping Trump's tires.

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Isn’t that what you want Sharon to do to Palestinians even if thousands more Israelis die? Why the hypocrisy?

Talking to Hamas doesn't work. We've seen 80 years of that now.

Talk, death, talk, death, talk, death, talk, death. It's like a metronome of murder. Maybe you just need to smash the f'ing thing.

Dougie93 · March 1

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Weakness in action. Dictators know they just have to hold on a few years and the Americans will tire of the fighting and give in. What did they accomplish in Vietnam? Nothing. They surrendered and the Communists took full control. Same thing in Afghanistan. They also gave up on Iraq. And now they've given up on Ukraine. Where will Putin push next with the 100 brigades he's currently got fighting the Ukrainians? Western Europe can maybe muster three or four. Add Poland and it's maybe a dozen. Ukraine has fifty. And if Russia takes Ukraine then those fifty eventually wind up adding to Russian power while the West goes to sleep again and the Americans tear themselves apart over pronouns and gender arguments (in no small part incited by Russian and Chinese propaganda and paid bots).

the war is a stalemate, a quagmire

America no longer has the military production capacity to supply the US military build up

never mind feed hardware into a bottomless pit in Ukraine

there is no public support for direct US military intervention

it is what it is

WestCanMan · March 1

47 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You mean the withdrawal that Trump negotiated?

Trump can negotiate whatever he wants, just like he did with Ukraine/Russia in 2019.

When a ret4rd like Biden starts monkeying with the levers of power in the WH, and changes all of America's plans and attitudes, along with everyone else's perception of America's strength, everything falls apart like a deck of cards.

And that's not Trump's fault.

There are a lot of working parts in a successful negotiation, and just pulling one or two parts out disrupts any working mechanism, biological or mechanical. Your car can't run without a _______ (name almost anything there). Your body can't survive without a _______ (name almost anything there).

SpankyMcFarland · March 1

One of Trump’s lackey ‘journalists’ even pretended to take umbrage at Zelenskyy’s lack of a suit. He said he would wear a suit when the war was finished. He could have replied that Churchill didn’t wear a suit when he visited the WH in 1942 and didn’t hold an election either.

West · March 1

29 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Because Trump appointed a number of conspiracy extremists like Kash Patel who publicly said they would abuse their office to politically prosecute and impose unprecedented and unjustified prison sentences on him.

Lol.. coming from the collusion delusionists

BeaverFever · March 1

15 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

because Russia was Communist then

while now it is the Western Europeans & Canadians who have gone Communist

No as a point of fact Canada and Europe are not communist.

The Republicans’ extreme right fringe is supporting Putin’s far right fascist regime the same way they supported Hitler’s far right fascism. Except before it was because they were worried about labour unions with socialist sympathies gaining political power in USA. Now they’re doing it just to “pwn the libs” in internet meme wars.

Edited March 1 by BeaverFever

West · March 1

CdnFox · March 1

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Zelinsky is done. Europe can't carry the war alone and the US is out.

What a wild ending.

I think there may be a chapter or two left before the book gets closed.

Hodad · March 1

37 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You know the left has lost when they can only reply with memes.

Anyone want to do a hypothetical? Let's say you were getting a divorce and you walk into the courtroom to find the judge is your spouse's best friend. Are you going to expect a fair outcome?

Why would Russia expect the USA to be a fair negotiator if we are expressing that we want Ukraine to win? Trump wants to negotiate a deal. He can't do that if he's on one side of the fence.

Oh, fark right off. Trump IS visibly and vocally on "one side of the fence." It just happens to be Russia's side, as it always has been.

When the US banks stopped lending to Trump, Eric helpfully told the world that it was okay, because they had all the money they needed from Russia.

Trump will always take Russia's side. He sided with Russia against his own intelligence agencies, FFS. Putin owns him.

gatomontes99 · March 1

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Oh, fark right off. Trump IS visibly and vocally on "one side of the fence." It just happens to be Russia's side, as it always has been.

You are being way to emotional about this. You need to think in terms of net positive and net negative. That needs to be coupled with what is realistic and what isn't realistic. It is a net positive to end the fighting in Ukraine and net negative to escalate or maintain the status quo. It is realistic to expect that the old borders are gone and new borders will be in place.

11 minutes ago, Hodad said:

When the US banks stopped lending to Trump, Eric helpfully told the world that it was okay, because they had all the money they needed from Russia.

You are talking about the rumor, spread by a sports reporter for the time frame before more than three years before Trump announced he was running for office. It was investigated by Mueller and no connections were found.

robosmith · March 1

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

No. The war in Ukraine is because Putin does not want democracies on his border. Phony ones he can control are okay, but not real ones looking Westward. And because he believes Ukraine is a part of Russia and they should be together again as they were in the Soviet Union. Putin doesn't give a shit about NATO. He knows NATO is toothless and couldn't agree to invade him in a million years. And it's not like I'm inferring this. He's said so.

NATO is a defensive alliance, but far from "toothless." They never meant to invade Russia.

Putin wants to end NATO because he wants the Russian empire back.

robosmith · March 1

54 minutes ago, West said:

Lol.. coming from the collusion delusionists

The RepubliCON led US Senate Intel Committee says YOU'RE WRONG. But you keep repeating ^these LIES.

Just because you're IGNORANT of the collusion only means you ONLY GET HALF THE STORY from FOS LIES.

Aristides · March 1

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump can negotiate whatever he wants, just like he did with Ukraine/Russia in 2019.

When a ret4rd like Biden starts monkeying with the levers of power in the WH, and changes all of America's plans and attitudes, along with everyone else's perception of America's strength, everything falls apart like a deck of cards.

And that's not Trump's fault.

There are a lot of working parts in a successful negotiation, and just pulling one or two parts out disrupts any working mechanism, biological or mechanical. Your car can't run without a _______ (name almost anything there). Your body can't survive without a _______ (name almost anything there).

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/