CBC is Revolting Garbage and Needs to GO

[WestCanMan]

Conservatives say Carney is lying about his role moving investment firm's office to U.S. 

Ok, so they're writing a story about Brookfield moving their head office to NY. Cool.

Link.

The first line:

• Liberal leadership contender Mark Carney helped steer two G7 economies through turbulent times and his track record as a central banker earned him praise and offers to serve on the board of directors of some prominent businesses, non-profits and philanthropic organizations, 

Since when does a legitimate news source start off a story about a politician with an unrelated rimjob? 

Do they start of stories about Trump with similar fanfare? 🤣

And if they want to talk about "steering G7 economies through turbulent times", let's not get carried away here... Carney was The Bank of Canada's governor UNDER CONSERVATIVE FINANCE MINISTER JIM FLAHERTY AND CONSERVATIVE PM STEPHEN HARPER. Did they mention that?

Let's not pretend that the governor of the Bank of Canada gets all the credit when a country makes it through a recession with their head above water.  

[WestCanMan]

And for the record, Carney actually was lying.

His lie was so blatant and easily proven that even the CBC had to admit it, although they did manage to let that slide until the 4th paragraph:

• Carney downplayed his role in that decision at a news conference on Tuesday night after the Liberal leadership debate, saying it was a decision formally made by the board after he left the company in January.

• [Paragrah 4] But company documents show the board approved the move in October 2024, and the decision was affirmed by shareholders at a meeting late last month.

  The wording of the investor relations document announcing the office move in October makes it clear the company wasn't waiting for shareholder approval.

  "BAM has now changed its head office to New York," the document reads.

  The Conservatives said Wednesday that Carney "lied" in describing his role, blasting him for helping move a division of a Canadian company south of the border to "Donald Trump's hometown."

  "We know that we can't trust what Mark Carney says and we now know that he will put profits for himself and well-connected insiders on Bay Street and Wall Street ahead of Canadians," said Conservative MP Michael Barrett, the party's ethics critic.

[herbie]

The sheer desperation of Polliwog supporters matched their southern MAGAtt heroes.

[Moonlight Graham]

I'm no Carney cheerleader (i barely know the man like everyone else), but even if its true why does it matter?  If I could move all my assets to the US to save on taxes or whatnot I do it too, same if I had a business.  Does that make me "not Canadian"?  Who cares, its my money i'll do whatever I want with it.

Its much easier and cheaper for tax purposes to buy US stocks when in the US, and i'm sure this is the same for corporations that buy stocks, so why is this bad?  All this shows is that the US is a better business environment than Canada for many different reasons.

[CouchPotato]

35 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm no Carney cheerleader (i barely know the man like everyone else), but even if its true why does it matter?

Because he lied about it, so obviously Carney thinks it matters. And the topic of the thread is not Carney himself but the way CBC chose to cover the story.

If Pierre was caught in a lie like that the CBC would not begin with a puff piece about him and then say he "downplayed his role" or use some other euphemism to sugarcoat the fact that he lied.

Edited February 27 by CouchPotato

[Legato]

 

[Aristides]

 I watched a CBC segment on that and they went into it extensively. They asked all those questions, it wasn't a puff piece at all and it didn't reflect well on Carney. Did you actually watch it or are you just parroting what your RW sources tell you. 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Conservatives say Carney is lying about his role moving investment firm's office to U.S. 

Ok, so they're writing a story about Brookfield moving their head office to NY. Cool.

Link.

The first line:

• Liberal leadership contender Mark Carney helped steer two G7 economies through turbulent times and his track record as a central banker earned him praise and offers to serve on the board of directors of some prominent businesses, non-profits and philanthropic organizations, 

Since when does a legitimate news source start off a story about a politician with an unrelated rimjob? 

Do they start of stories about Trump with similar fanfare? 🤣

And if they want to talk about "steering G7 economies through turbulent times", let's not get carried away here... Carney was The Bank of Canada's governor UNDER CONSERVATIVE FINANCE MINISTER JIM FLAHERTY AND CONSERVATIVE PM STEPHEN HARPER. Did they mention that?

Let's not pretend that the governor of the Bank of Canada gets all the credit when a country makes it through a recession with their head above water.  

Dude, pointing out the CBC is extremely biased in favor of the liberals is like pointing out that Hitler was not a friend to Jews. Do not expect anyone to be shocked at your revelation   

[Barquentine]

Yeah he should have answered this better, but he was chairman of the company and had a duty to increase profits for them. Conservatives are supposed to like that, not cherry-pick for political purposes.

And Legato's pic of PP isn't helping the cause. Parents would look at that pic and say" Stay away, kids".

 

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

 I watched a CBC segment on that and they went into it extensively. They asked all those questions, it wasn't a puff piece at all and it didn't reflect well on Carney. Did you actually watch it or are you just parroting what your RW sources tell you. 

That opening paragraph is a doozy, though.

But CBC is going to pull out all the stops because the CPC is an existential threat.  

If this whole process was being done above board, I might be somewhat upset.  But as it is, they're amping up the culture war from their end.  

Not much point in commenting, even.

[Moonbox]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

But CBC is going to pull out all the stops because the CPC is an existential threat.  

an existential threat they created for themselves, I'd argue.  

Nothing will get your taxpayer subsidies challenged like a decades-long political bias, and the more they struggle and rail against it, the worse the reckoning will be.  

Edited February 27 by Moonbox

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

The sheer desperation of Polliwog supporters matched their southern MAGAtt heroes.

Look at yourself, herbie, just completely unable to engage in an adult conversation. 

FACT: Carney was caught moving jobs away from Canada, down into the US, then he just lied to Canadians about it instead of owning up. 

The CBC's way of covering this story is to just randomly give Carney all of the credit for Canada's strong performance during the 2008 recession when we had a conservative PM and a conservative finance minister. How's that a thing?

When the CBC was busy screaming about Duffygate did they lead with "Harper successfully led Canada through the 2008 recession..."?

Of course not.

CBC framed the 2015 election as "a referendum on Duffygate", and completely ignored Harper's successful handling of our economy during a recession, but here we are ten years later and the CBC wants to cover a story about Carney's lies and Canada-last policies by pumping his tires about the 2008 recession, which was 17 years ago. 

This isn't a story about your feelings, herbie. It's a story about undisputed facts which you are apparently unwilling to acknowledge, as usual.

[Aristides]

33 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That opening paragraph is a doozy, though.

But CBC is going to pull out all the stops because the CPC is an existential threat.  

If this whole process was being done above board, I might be somewhat upset.  But as it is, they're amping up the culture war from their end.  

Not much point in commenting, even.

I'm really disappointed in you. Did you bother to read the rest of the article? It goes into some depth about Carney's holdings and what his position was when the company moved. It would be hard to conclude anything other than he was not being honest about being involved in the move.

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

 I watched a CBC segment on that and they went into it extensively. They asked all those questions, it wasn't a puff piece at all and it didn't reflect well on Carney. Did you actually watch it or are you just parroting what your RW sources tell you. 

Who are you taking to when you say you?

You never quoted anyone or directed it to anyone...

 

Do you understand that this has thread nothing at all to do with "RW sources", or what they may or may not have said? 

This is entirely about the CBC and how they choose to cover stories with political implications. It has nothing to do with what other people said about Carney. Maybe "RW sources" accused him of helping the Germans find Jews during the holocaust. Maybe they accused Carney of dumping gasoline on whales. It doesn't matter, because this story isn't about what other people said. We're not talking about Carney's alleged role in helping the Nazis before he was born, if that's a story.

FYI the CBC made the 2015 all about Duffygate, a $90k near-scandal from 3 years earlier, and ignored Harper's role in guiding Canada through the recession of 2008, which was only 4 years before that.

Now when the CBC does a story about Carney's lie to Canadians, it's full of unrelated/exaggerated tire-pumping and disinformation. They're making this story about Carney's role in guiding Canada through the recession of 2008, from 17 years ago, and lying about what he did 4 months ago. 

Did I say "CBC is lying"?

Yes I did. 

Because this isn't just "Conservatives accusing Carney of lying to Canadians", it's about the fact that "Conservatives just proved that Carney was lying to Canadians".

 

Here's how CBC references alleged lies by Trump: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6612433

• Trump used 'lies as a weapon' to try to retain power: special counsel report

See the difference?

The headline is framed as a declarative statement, not a mere "accusation by opposition party members", even though the Special Counsel Report was effectively nothing more than that. 

The headline about Carney lying could have been framed as a declarative statement, should have been framed as a declarative statement, because he absolutely lied, and he was caught, and CBC knows that. The board that Carney sat on voted to move those jobs south in October and CBC knows that, 100%. So his statement actually was 100% false.

Effectively CBC downplayed the authenticity of the story, in their headline, by presenting it like it was merely an allegation when it is an established fact. 

Now look at the first line of the two articles. CBC randomly pumped Carney's tires in the first line of that article over something that happened 17 years ago, and moved his lie from a week ago down to paragraph 4. 

When CBC did an article about Trump allegedly lying, did they preface it with tire-pumping? Any at all? He basically turned islamic state and Suleimani into blood pudding, ended al qaeda, his economy was gangbusters, etc, etc... There are a lot of things that they could have said to randomly shine his shoes, but here's how they started:

• Donald Trump engaged in an 'unprecedented criminal effort' to 'unlawfully retain power' after losing the 2020 election, special counsel Jack Smith said in a report published by the U.S. Justice Department.

Do you see the massive double-standard? 

CBC downplayed Carney's lie and exaggerated his successes, and with Trump they exaggerated the veracity of the claim against him and neglected to say anything nice about him. 

Their bias is not minor. It completely alters perceptions in every story they touch. 

[WestCanMan]

@Aristides By watching the CBC, and by considering them a valid news source, you are effectively allowing your mind to be controlled by liars and pimps. 

[Aristides]

41 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

@Aristides By watching the CBC, and by considering them a valid news source, you are effectively allowing your mind to be controlled by liars and pimps. 

The only thing you have convinced me of is that you haven't read the article. I do agree about the headline.

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm no Carney cheerleader (i barely know the man like everyone else), but even if its true why does it matter? 

It matters that he blatantly lied to Canadians about Canadian jobs being sent down to NY. 

Canadians make a big deal of the fact that Trump said "It didn't rain during during my inauguration speech", but then a forensic audit of the 17-minute speech determined that, during a brief drizzle at the 13-minute mark, 11 droplets of rain hit him. That was considered a "lie", and a very big deal. WashPo's list of lies by Trump has that incident in the first paragraph. 

So how big of a deal is it if the leader of the LPOC is lying to Canadians about jobs that he sent south, while we're apparently at the start of a trade war with the US?

 

The leaders of the two major parties are trying to convince Canadians that they're the one who should handle the trade war with the US, and now we know that Carney just sent Canadian jobs to the US and then lied to Canadians about it.

Is that a big deal? Is the final score at the end of the game a big deal?

[eyeball]

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Conservatives say Carney is lying

Please, you people say EVERYONE is lying.

You people apply the word lie to everything the way the word woke is applied. It's become a sad joke.

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The only thing you have convinced me of is that you haven't read the article. I do agree about the headline.

What is the point of an article:

1. to create an impression
2. to pass along information?

From your POV, you're sticking to "it's only #2", but what I'm telling you is that the CBC used that story as an opportunity to "create an impression", and a very false one at that.

The title is disingenuous, to the point of being misleading, which means "it's a lie", and the opening line heaped false praise on Carney for something that happened 17 years ago, and got around to the part about his lie in paragraph 4. 

Learn:

1. TITLES CREATE IMPRESSIONS - they're all that some people see, and an accusation by a politician means nothing compared to "Fact:...".
2. The opening sentences create impressions, because most people don't read entire articles, and even if they do, in that instance they're reading the rest of the article with prejudice that was inflicted on them by the author. And the opening sentence is wildly off-track. 
3. Finishing details just absolve the writer for their sins. "Look, if you read far enough, you'll see most of the truth". 

[Aristides]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

What is the point of an article:

1. to create an impression
2. to pass along information?

From your POV, you're sticking to "it's only #2", but what I'm telling you is that the CBC used that story as an opportunity to "create an impression", and a very false one at that.

The title is disingenuous, to the point of being misleading, which means "it's a lie", and the opening line heaped false praise on Carney for something that happened 17 years ago, and got around to the part about his lie in paragraph 4. 

Learn:

1. TITLES CREATE IMPRESSIONS - they're all that some people see, and an accusation by a politician means nothing compared to "Fact:...".
2. The opening sentences create impressions, because most people don't read entire articles, and even if they do, in that instance they're reading the rest of the article with prejudice that was inflicted on them by the author. And the opening sentence is wildly off-track. 
3. Finishing details just absolve the writer for their sins. "Look, if you read far enough, you'll see most of the truth". 

it passes along a lot of information if you bother to read it. Information that allows you to reach your own conclusion. The conclusion I reached is that Carney was not being honest.

I think it is fair to be critical of the headline but the article is very informative.

if you want to learn anything you have to read past the headline. Anyones headline.

[WestCanMan]

22 minutes ago, Aristides said:

it passes along a lot of information if you bother to read it. Information that allows you to reach your own conclusion. The conclusion I reached is that Carney was not being honest.

The point is that you had to read farther than 90% of readers will go in order to glean that information. 

The heading and opening paragraph both sang a completely different tune, and you even acknowledge that. 

Why was CBC engaging in deception? Why is the truth the last thing you see on that page?

You and I both know that if Poilievre got caught lying like that, the CBC would end his career on the spot.  

The article would have a blaring headline, the opening line wouldn't be flattering, and we would hear about it ad nauseam every day until the election, just like we did with Duffygate for 3 years. 

[WestCanMan]

55 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Please, you people say EVERYONE is lying.

You people apply the word lie to everything the way the word woke is applied. It's become a sad joke.

I CORRECTLY say when people are lying. 

If I was wrong you'd prove it instead of just making a snotty accusation 😉

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You people apply the word lie to everything the way the word woke is applied. It's become a sad joke.

The sad joke is how much you lie, eyeball just like you did here. 😘

Prove I was wrong or stfu, churlish brat.

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If I was wrong you'd prove it instead of just making a snotty accusation...

Nope, you've been told repeatedly the burden of evidence is on the positive claimant. 

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Prove I was wrong or stfu, churlish brat.

Prove that you've stopped beating your wife.

[Aristides]

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The point is that you had to read farther than 90% of readers will go in order to glean that information. 

The heading and opening paragraph both sang a completely different tune, and you even acknowledge that. 

Why was CBC engaging in deception? Why is the truth the last thing you see on that page?

You and I both know that if Poilievre got caught lying like that, the CBC would end his career on the spot.  

The article would have a blaring headline, the opening line wouldn't be flattering, and we would hear about it ad nauseam every day until the election, just like we did with Duffygate for 3 years. 

Just because you don't read farther doesn't mean others don't but we seem to have morphed into a short attention span culture. Must be frustrating for people who go to the trouble of digging deep and providing information that people are too lazy to read but that isn't the writer's fault. Might as well just write headlines and not bother with anything else.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Just because you don't read farther doesn't mean others don't but we seem to have morphed into a short attention span culture. Must be frustrating for people who go to the trouble of digging deep and providing information that people are too lazy to read but that isn't the writer's fault. Might as well just write headlines and not bother with anything else.

But it IS the writer's fault if their heading and opening paragraph are designed to be misleading. Period.

Why should the CBC be printing misleading headlines and fluffing/attacking candidates along partisan lines? 

Your IQ isn't 25. You know this is going on.