Trump Plan for Takeover of Canada?

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

none of these things are realistically going to happen in Canada

So maybe it’s worth entering into discussions about what we could keep that we value if we entered into a form of statehood.  I don’t see it as a dire option because I see big gains along with some sacrifices.  I don’t think the Canadian public is ready for that.  I also think if it was seriously entertained, the Yanks would take issue.

Even economic union seems unrealistic right now given the current antagonism.  So basically we need to restore what we had under Harper, but the Yanks are throwing down obstacles to gain concessions.  

Edited February 15 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

When I see this, I want Canada to become the 51st state:

 

Canada to Compel Banks, Insurers to Disclose Diversity Membership for Boards

The decision is in contrast to what has been unfolding in the U.S., as some of America’s biggest companies are retreating from DEI

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Feb. 14, 2025 at 3:40 pm ET

Officials said formal rules are required about the disclosure of minority representation at the executive ranks of Canadian banks because such an initiative would “promote greater diversity” over time. PHOTO: CARLOS OSORIO/REUTERS

OTTAWA–Canada said it would compel banks, insurers and other financial institutions to disclose minority representation on their boards of directors and within their senior management ranks. The decision, disclosed in the official Canadian government newspaper on Friday, is in contrast to what has been unfolding in the U.S.

 

 

[taxme]

On 2/8/2025 at 7:59 AM, Dick Green said:

Trump should be required to provide details of his plan to takover Canada.  Would each provice become a state?  Ten  more provinces would upset the poitical balance in the US.  Our Prime Minister should ask him for details, which might not be that popular with the American political establishment.  Also this might show how little thought ahs been given to this proposal by Trump.

A Trump takeover of Canada? Not going to happen. Ha-ha-ha-ha. 

But what Canada should try to do is to try and have an economic union like they have in Europe. In the EU there are no borders and all the European countries use the same currency, the EURO. Americans and Canadians would be able to cross freely into each others country, and have and use a common currency. I think that would be a great deal for both countries. Just saying. 😇

 

[taxme]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

When I see this, I want Canada to become the 51st state:

 

 

Canada to Compel Banks, Insurers to Disclose Diversity Membership for Boards

The decision is in contrast to what has been unfolding in the U.S., as some of America’s biggest companies are retreating from DEI

By 

Paul Vieira

Follow

 

Feb. 14, 2025 at 3:40 pm ET

 

 

 

Officials said formal rules are required about the disclosure of minority representation at the executive ranks of Canadian banks because such an initiative would “promote greater diversity” over time. PHOTO: CARLOS OSORIO/REUTERS

OTTAWA–Canada said it would compel banks, insurers and other financial institutions to disclose minority representation on their boards of directors and within their senior management ranks. The decision, disclosed in the official Canadian government newspaper on Friday, is in contrast to what has been unfolding in the U.S.

 

 

Is that what multiculturalism and diversity and wokism is all about. Flood Canada with millions of non-whites and the make sure that they end up taking many jobs from white people applying for those jobs? 

It's things like you posted above wants me to see the day when Canada become the 51st state of America. Enough of this anti-white racism going on in Canada. Everything today in Canada is all about the promotion of non-white's in Canada. It's bloody sickening indeed. Just my opinion.  

[500channelsurfer]

fghj

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

why the hell are we importing oil as we export almost all the oil we produce?  Why are we having our oil refined in Texas?  Why is our aluminum being turned into cans in Ohio?  We should be creating the finished products based on our raw materials and shipping what we don’t consume to multiple markets.  If we made the mistake of relying too much on exporting to the U.S., we have also clearly relied too much on imports, especially from the U.S.  We can’t even buy Canadian in a meaningful way when we simply don’t produce certain products domestically.  What we don’t produce domestically we should be able to acquire from multiple countries, not just the U.S.   We need to diversify both our export markets and the source countries for our imports, so that we’re never economically beholden to one foreign country.  We can’t even pump our oil across the country without going through US states.

Thank you for making this point. Canada should have better invested and managed our domestic production, ownership and value-added to our economy.

When Trump and people like him look at Canada, they can easily see a banana republic, just like some of the Caribbean and Central American countries that the US used to exhort control and influence over. In my view, this is what Trump is thinking when he is calling Canada a 51st state.

Trump is not interested in any talk about adding Canadians or our Premiers to Congress or any formal arrangement like that. He is simply exhorting control, at least for now.

[Zeitgeist]

I just don’t see our current federal government advancing the interests of Canadians or Canada.  It seems like they are selling out our country, making it weaker and less respected.  We pay a lot of taxes to a federal government that doesn’t seem to get the basics right but has plenty to say about how we should think.  

[Dougie93]

12 hours ago, taxme said:

 Americans and Canadians would be able to cross freely into each others country,

it's not going to be long before Americans will be declining to come to Canada at all

in fear that they would be attacked in the streets without their guns to defend themselves

Mark Norman: Canada's relationship with the U.S. can't be saved

We are under attack and must act accordingly

Mark Norman, Special to National Post

Published Feb 14, 2025

 

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/mark-norman-canadas-relationship-with-the-u-s-cant-be-saved

[herbie]

18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I just don’t see our current federal government advancing the interests of Canadians or Canada.  It seems like they are selling out our country, making it weaker and less respected.

Unless you're like me and see the weakness of trying to negotiate with an untrustworthy arsehole and not just telling Trump to f*ck off to his face, you're blind as a bat with those accusations.

[herbie]

[Dougie93]

18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I just don’t see our current federal government advancing the interests of Canadians or Canada.  It seems like they are selling out our country, making it weaker and less respected.  We pay a lot of taxes to a federal government that doesn’t seem to get the basics right but has plenty to say about how we should think.  

The Right Honorable Stephen Harper has invoked ; we will dig our graves behind these ramparts

politically agnostic Soldiers of the Crown ; profession of arms ; mercenaries for the Sovereign

EIIR heirs & successors

God, Queen, Country

[Dougie93]

51 minutes ago, herbie said:

 

if Wayne was Prime Minister, Donald Trump would be sucking up to Canada right now

but because you Liberal NDP Commies are in charge ; it's a trade war

save us, Wayne Gretzky, even from ourselves in the end

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

 

the White House has come to avenge the Truckers

Justin Trudeau called the MAGA Republicans out for their support of the Truckers

now the MAGA Republicans are going to teach the Government of Canada what it is like to get bullied

"we'll seize your bank accounts, Canada, get a taste of your own medicine"

Edited February 15 by Dougie93

[PIK]

Start of the end of the US of A.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, PIK said:

Start of the end of the US of A.

if America is going down, Canada is going down with us

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

if America is going down, Canada is going down with us

Probably not. If you look at the historical trends actually that's when countries tend to do their best.

We've gotten complacent. But there's a lot of ways we can become a rich wealthy and powerful country in and of our own right

Turns out you really don't know much about Canadians do you

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Turns out you really don't know much about Canadians do you

if America is going down, that will drag China, Europe & The Asia Pacific down as well

global deflationary spiral

bad as the Great Depression was in America, it was actually worse in Canada

tho I am aware of Canada's priggish sense of sneering self superiority

wherein they dream that America gets its comeuppance while somehow Canada gets away unscathed

it's all part of the Canadian Disease ; a pathology

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Unless you're like me and see the weakness of trying to negotiate with an untrustworthy arsehole and not just telling Trump to f*ck off to his face, you're blind as a bat with those accusations.

Ha ha, see where telling Trump to F off gets you.  You don’t understand where power resides or how it is wielded to greatest effect.  Who has the power in this contest?  Who is getting more of what they want?  Who is making concessions?

Trump has made gains, at least in the short run. I do think that if Trump persists in this direction he may find the U.S. more isolated and less supported, including its businesses and products.  Most of what Canada can do is stop buying American, but that has nothing to do with our government, which hasn’t done much policy-wise except promise counter-tariffs.  How does that tariff-proof us?  It’s something, but we don’t yet know the impact.  

Edited February 15 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Ha ha, see where telling Trump to F off gets you.  You don’t understand where power resides or how it is wielded to greatest effect.  Who has the power in this contest?  Who is getting more of what they want?  Who is making concessions?

Trump has made gains, at least in the short run. I do think that if Trump persists in this direction he may find the U.S. more isolated and less supported, including its businesses and products.  Most of what Canada can do is stop buying American, but that has nothing to do with our government so far.  

Trump is only the first wave of this tsunami

bear in mind how the Neoliberal Globalist trading system works

America buys up all the surplus exports

from China, Asia, Europe, Canada & Mexico

except this means that America buys more than it sells, ultimately resulting in a $35 trillion USD debt

so in the face of this hollowing out, America has begun to refuse to buy up all the surplus

America is going to tax that surplus, one way or the other, to pay for its debt

it's going to persist beyond Trump, the Democrats will inevitably jump on the bandwagon

in fact, the more refined post Trump versions of this are far more threatening to the likes of Canada

 

[Army Guy]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Probably not. If you look at the historical trends actually that's when countries tend to do their best.

We've gotten complacent. But there's a lot of ways we can become a rich wealthy and powerful country in and of our own right

Turns out you really don't know much about Canadians do you

Looking at the state of our country, and all this wealth we are supposed to have and we really have squandered most of it on stupid stuff...and while i'm not a big fan of the Saudi's look at what they are managing to do with their wealth it is impressive....I think the last great thing we did was build the railroad, or twin the trans canada highway...wooo lets not forget the CN tower...I think most Canadians are happy right where we are now...we are either to lazy to do the work, or not smart enough....there is no vision here in Canada, we lack leadership to make that happen...we are to divided to work together and create something that will stand time....

How right we are about complacency....It think it is a dream until we find a leader with vision...

Edited February 15 by Army Guy

[Dougie93]

28 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Ha ha, see where telling Trump to F off gets you. 

U.S. controls key equipment on new warships, putting Canada in a potential 'hostage' situation over military procurement

Originally the command management system of each new warship was supposed to be Canadian-made and under the full control of the Canadian government.

David Pugliese  •  Ottawa Citizen

Published Feb 14, 2025

 

The United States controls many of the key systems onboard Canada’s new warships, allowing the Americans to hold this country hostage over future upgrades or even the provision of spare parts, defence industry officials warn.

Taxpayers are spending as much as $80 billion on a new fleet of Canadian Surface Combatants to be constructed at Irving Shipbuilding.

The heart of each of the warships is the command management system, which controls weapons, radars and other intelligence-gathering equipment.

Originally that high-tech system was supposed to be Canadian-made and under the full control of the Canadian government.

But that was switched out for made-in-the-U.S. technology called Aegis, allowing the Americans full control and oversight over the supply of parts, modifications or future upgrades, industry officials confirm.

“This is what happens when you exclude Canadian companies: You find yourself potentially being held hostage,” explained Alan Williams, the former procurement chief at the Department of National Defence. “We don’t control the (combat management) system; the Americans do. Who knows what they are going to demand from us?”

Other Canadian defence industry officials acknowledged the same concerns. They asked not to be named as they did not want to jeopardize ongoing contracts with the federal government.

The U.S. government already controls much of the technology used by the Canadian military, but previously that was not seen as an issue as the Americans were viewed as close allies.

DND has previously been concerned about U.S. control over key defence technology. In 2010, when the Halifax-class frigates were being modernized, the department insisted on installing the newly developed Command Management System (CMS) 330. The development of CMS-330, costing millions of dollars, was financed by Canada, giving it total control over the technology, Williams said. In addition, the government stipulated that other key systems on the Halifax-class ships come from companies from Canada, Sweden, Israel, Germany and the Netherlands.

When the Canadian Surface Combatant team was unveiled in November 2017, Lockheed Martin Canada, a subsidiary of the U.S. defence giant, highlighted that its proposal included the CMS-330. The firm pointed out that the maximum focus was to get Canadian content on the new warships.

But, once Lockheed Martin won the contract, it dumped the CMS 330 and substituted Aegis.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/u-s-controls-key-equipment-on-new-warships-putting-canada-in-a-potential-hostage-situation-over-military-procurement

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Unless you're like me and see the weakness of trying to negotiate with an untrustworthy arsehole and not just telling Trump to f*ck off to his face, you're blind as a bat with those accusations.

OOHH ya tough guy, but all this tough talk is not going to get you or this nation anything but more dislike from Trump....We has a nation have already seen trump 1.0 and his tariffs and we did nothing , let me say that again we did nothing to diversify our economy, diversify our trading partners, so we are not dependent on the US...and to top it all off we went through the same thing with China we are either to slow to learn anything or maybe third time is the charm...

I bet my next paycheck we won't learn anything now will we diversify anything...We have not looked after any of our security departments they all lack manpower and resources to guard against any threat....and they and the media have been scream that for years now, and you as a liberal voter have chosen to ignore that message...we have disregarded our NATO pledges and NORAD promises, in fact we basically told them to f%ck off...our international reputation as a allied is tanked far below what is required...just to maintain a somewhat poor relationship...Other world leaders cringe at the sight of Justin or his creepy staff....All of that is our making, not trumps...so instead of beating your chest, and talking a good game or so you think we should have been listening and coming up with a plan that would fix things, and save us tariffs.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

...so instead of beating your chest, and talking a good game or so you think we should have been listening and coming up with a plan that would fix things, and save us tariffs.

the Laurentian Elites secretly welcome the tariffs

as it gives them license to do what they want to do anyways

which is to subsidize and by those means centrally plan the Canadian economy from Ottawa

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

U.S. controls key equipment on new warships, putting Canada in a potential 'hostage' situation over military procurement

Originally the command management system of each new warship was supposed to be Canadian-made and under the full control of the Canadian government.

David Pugliese  •  Ottawa Citizen

Published Feb 14, 2025

 

The United States controls many of the key systems onboard Canada’s new warships, allowing the Americans to hold this country hostage over future upgrades or even the provision of spare parts, defence industry officials warn.

Taxpayers are spending as much as $80 billion on a new fleet of Canadian Surface Combatants to be constructed at Irving Shipbuilding.

The heart of each of the warships is the command management system, which controls weapons, radars and other intelligence-gathering equipment.

Originally that high-tech system was supposed to be Canadian-made and under the full control of the Canadian government.

But that was switched out for made-in-the-U.S. technology called Aegis, allowing the Americans full control and oversight over the supply of parts, modifications or future upgrades, industry officials confirm.

“This is what happens when you exclude Canadian companies: You find yourself potentially being held hostage,” explained Alan Williams, the former procurement chief at the Department of National Defence. “We don’t control the (combat management) system; the Americans do. Who knows what they are going to demand from us?”

Other Canadian defence industry officials acknowledged the same concerns. They asked not to be named as they did not want to jeopardize ongoing contracts with the federal government.

The U.S. government already controls much of the technology used by the Canadian military, but previously that was not seen as an issue as the Americans were viewed as close allies.

DND has previously been concerned about U.S. control over key defence technology. In 2010, when the Halifax-class frigates were being modernized, the department insisted on installing the newly developed Command Management System (CMS) 330. The development of CMS-330, costing millions of dollars, was financed by Canada, giving it total control over the technology, Williams said. In addition, the government stipulated that other key systems on the Halifax-class ships come from companies from Canada, Sweden, Israel, Germany and the Netherlands.

When the Canadian Surface Combatant team was unveiled in November 2017, Lockheed Martin Canada, a subsidiary of the U.S. defence giant, highlighted that its proposal included the CMS-330. The firm pointed out that the maximum focus was to get Canadian content on the new warships.

But, once Lockheed Martin won the contract, it dumped the CMS 330 and substituted Aegis.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/u-s-controls-key-equipment-on-new-warships-putting-canada-in-a-potential-hostage-situation-over-military-procurement

Right, if our government and DND don’t have control over their equipment, it’s not really their (our) equipment. Doesn’t that illustrate the entire problem?  Who you depend on can hurt you, but how much can we actually do on our own with our own made in Canada stuff to prevent the Americans from setting the agenda in Canada to suit US interests?  Is there a way to be independent enough to be sovereign that would be desirable to most Canadians with a U.S. administration willing to apply pressure against countries it calls allies simply because it thinks it can beat us in a zero-sum game?

I guess we’ll find out how effectively we can defend our interests in this David and Goliath act of gunboat diplomacy.  I think the long term costs for the U.S. are high because of the loss of trust.  Effective partnerships, both personal and business-related, last when both parties freely participate in the relationship and see mutual benefits.  Coercion leads the coerced to seek greener pastures.  What happens when multiple countries perceive the same source of coercion?  Reputational damage and realignment of relationships.

Trump’s mistake is thinking that all the countries and the peoples of the world will simply go along with his US first imperial fiat.  They might for a while because he’s fresh off an election win, but a lot of people are feeling alienated already within the U.S. by these sweeping executive orders.  Courts are intervening.  New elections will come.  Boycotts are just getting started.

The costs of disintegrating North American supply chains and imposing tariffs are enormous.  If a Canadian car plant folds up and moves to the U.S. due to these tariffs, in a trade relationship where we sell as many cars to Americans as we buy from America and our cars contain components from both countries, how many of those transplanted cars do you think will be sold in Canada?  I really don’t think Trump sees that side of the equation.

Now multiply that effect by all the countries on which Trump applies the tariffs.  Are the countries that are not close allies of the U.S. going to embrace American goods more or less than before?

Edited February 15 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Right, if our government and DND don’t have control over their equipment, it’s not really their (our) equipment.  Doesn’t that illustrate the entire problem? 

Canada has become totally dependant upon the Neoliberal Globalist order

now that said system is collapsing into disorder

things are moving way faster than Canada is capable of keeping up with

on the bright side ; souls are forged by crucible ; hard times breed better men

every day is a gift therein ; when you walk with the Nazarene

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 2/11/2025 at 8:09 PM, herbie said:

keep him more than 3500m from the border!

6 feet under