Trump Plan for Takeover of Canada?

[Dick Green]

Trump should be required to provide details of his plan to takover Canada.  Would each provice become a state?  Ten  more provinces would upset the poitical balance in the US.  Our Prime Minister should ask him for details, which might not be that popular with the American political establishment.  Also this might show how little thought ahs been given to this proposal by Trump.

[Gaétan]

It is looking to increase its assets to reduce the proportion of its debt, but Canada is also indebted. We should abolish the borders between countries, starting with North America. What are they used for? And at the same time, abolish money so that debts would no longer exist. The best recipes are always the simplest.

[herbie]

You gotta be pretty dim not to see the obvious. Trudeau told you one -resources.

We're bigger than the USA and have more resources.

Lock up the Arctic.
They've brainwashed many of us over decades by repeating over and over that our Artic is merely a "claim". Tie that in with a Greenland grab and they tie up everything. Keep us shitting bricks about Russians on snowmobiles and Chinese ice breaking landing craft while they grab a shortcut for oil tankers.

[Gaétan]

Money was invented by kings to take advantage of the people, the rich took their place

[NAME REMOVED]

"When US president-oligarch Trump says he's going to invade or annex Canada, he is not joking, teasing, or trolling. He is making a threat. Take him seriously.

 

The sooner Canadians, Mexicans, and allies come to an understanding that the United States, under Trump could flip from ally to enemy, the sooner they can prepare, and protect their sovereignty and democracy. The United States does not have a monopoly on democracy, freedom, America, or the ability to fight for these ideals.

 

The 18th-century French writer Voltaire famously said that no adversary would want a “few acres of snow” in Canada. But Canada is more than a few acres of snow. There are population centres, citizens, infrastructure, and resources, including the water and oil Trump is eyeing. And amongst all this some strategic targets an aggressor might covet.

 

Today Canada faces many threats from different fronts, including Russia, China, India, and now under Trump the United States. Each one of these countries is waging war against Canada through disinformation, bot armies, and coercion. Openly trying to dismantle the nation and the principles that glue it together.

 

So far, Canadian politicians and state media have reacted in a manner unbefitting to a nation facing invasion and subjugation from a much larger and more powerful adversary. The current response by Canada's state media has been to minimize the threat or conduct polls normalizing the idea of annexation and invasion, instilling the delusion that these acts of war could be done peacefully.

 

Other Canadian delusions include articles and commentary playing down the threat and recommending Canadians ignore Trump as if collectively wishing the danger to go away. Such actions only benefit the enemy which relies on silent consent and inaction to accomplish his goals of territorial expansion.

 

Even more disconcerting, is the reaction by the so-called "Team Canada" government managed under Justin Trudeau which has decided that the appropriate response to Trump's threats is to propose new unnecessary border project serving as a token of appeasement, redirecting $1.6 billion of Canadian tax payer's money, to Trump and his cabal of oligarchs.

 

These projects proposed by Trudeau will not only fail as appeasement they will be capitulation, as they propose the notion of joint policing to tackle nearly non-existent issues claimed by enemy disinformation networks and collaborators. This will grant the US further control over Canada, no different than a colonizing force. This is often seen as the first step towards annexation.

 

To make matters worse, many disgruntled Canadians seem unable to distinguish real information from enemy propaganda and are floating the idea that they'd be better off being annexed or invaded, many promising to welcome the invaders with open arms. Such sentiments are being met with levity rather than the severity deserved by open treason.

 

When Russian president-oligarch Vladimir Putin was threatening to invade and annex Ukraine few in the government and media took him seriously. Many pretended he was 'joking' and up until the point that Russian troops took Crimea in 2014, they ridiculed the notion of their neighbour invading and annexing them as ridiculous and alarmist.

 

Before Russia's invasion, many Ukrainian politicians, personalities, and media also tried to appease Putin and proposed joint projects, preached 'brotherly' unity, pretended that 'no way Russia would harm its economy like that', and laughed at the notion of an invasion. World governments and media further reinforced these ideas providing a false sense of security.

 

Before the invasion, Russia created a separatist idea in Ukraine. Angry at amplified or invented problems, disgruntled Ukrainians upset about the economy, culture wars, and whatever flavour of the month grievances they were fed through media became separatists welcoming the invaders with open arms. They joined Russian ranks only to discover they are less than second hand citizens used as cannon fodder by their new oligarch masters.

 

In Ukraine, like in Canada, the invading force is not looking to make life better for its conquered people but to remove them from their lands and to claim ownership of its rich and abundant resources worth billions of dollars.

 

The friendship between Canada and the United States is a fairly recent development shaped in the trenches of the end of World War 1 and throughout World War 2, where Canadian troops proved their tenacity and ability to wage modern warfare in their battles against Germany.

 

Before this new friendship, the United States conspired against Canada sizing it up for its expansionist goals. Thomas Jefferson, a US founding father, remarked that the capture of Canada was “a mere matter of marching”. The Americans quickly learned that a coalition of first-nations and Canadian troops under the British flag had no desire to be part of their failed experiment.

 

In the event of a modern invasion of Canada, the population can expect mass casualties from cuts to supplies and superior US air dominance, any Canadian troops hosted in joint Canada - US bases would be quickly captured and US troops would likely take the capital in Ottawa within hours.

 

However... in the event of a US invasion of Canada, there will be resistance and not the type that carries a sign. Canadian troops would switch to an active insurgency and head North, where they would regroup in the wilderness and mountains of the second biggest country in the world. There they would organize an insurgency aided by allies, who will provide intelligence, and supplies, and act as unofficial intermediaries.

 

Civilians would also join the fray to combat US troops. Many being hunters and former reservists, not only from Canada but other countries too. The insurgency in rural and urban areas will likely target the US with hit-and-run tactics, assassinations, IEDs, and suicide drones. Others would aid the insurgency through localized intelligence networks and crowdfunding. While Americans will be very divided about the prospect of a war with Canada, Canadians are raised to expected aggression from their neighbour and will be far more unified in their response.

 

Most importantly, given the proximity to the United States, the Canadian insurgency will spill over to US streets and probably target police departments, US bases, airports, power plants, water supplies, crops, state legislatures, propagandists, collaborators, and ultimately those close to the Trump administration in both government and industry.

 

Unfortunately given the nature of a conflict between Canada and the US, any resulting insurgency carrying out operations within the United States would not be able to distinguish between Democrats and Republicans. Meaning, that the US would likely undergo significant disruption from a collapsed economy, sabotaged logistics, and random bombings that affect everyone.

 

The goal would be to make the United States bleed to the point that the occupation of Canada becomes far more costly than beneficial, creating a rift within the population, forcing either the removal of Trump by the US Congress/ Senate or the birth of a rebellion. Given enough of a push, the US would schism into a kinetic war between pro-democracy forces allied with Canadian insurgents and those loyal to Donald Trump and his oligarch cabal.

 

Ultimately nobody writing history will distinguish between which side Americans voted for, they will all have to pay war reparations and carry the same guilt. The best defence is still a good offence for Canada and the United States. Anyone that wants to prevent conflict, needs to act now. You need to meet the threat with defence not conciliation. And not wait to find out what Trump is going to do when he’s already told us what he’s going to do.

 

 

[Army Guy]

22 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

"When US president-oligarch Trump says he's going to invade or annex Canada, he is not joking, teasing, or trolling. He is making a threat. Take him seriously.

 

The sooner Canadians, Mexicans, and allies come to an understanding that the United States, under Trump could flip from ally to enemy, the sooner they can prepare, and protect their sovereignty and democracy. The United States does not have a monopoly on democracy, freedom, America, or the ability to fight for these ideals.

 

The 18th-century French writer Voltaire famously said that no adversary would want a “few acres of snow” in Canada. But Canada is more than a few acres of snow. There are population centres, citizens, infrastructure, and resources, including the water and oil Trump is eyeing. And amongst all this some strategic targets an aggressor might covet.

 

Today Canada faces many threats from different fronts, including Russia, China, India, and now under Trump the United States. Each one of these countries is waging war against Canada through disinformation, bot armies, and coercion. Openly trying to dismantle the nation and the principles that glue it together.

 

So far, Canadian politicians and state media have reacted in a manner unbefitting to a nation facing invasion and subjugation from a much larger and more powerful adversary. The current response by Canada's state media has been to minimize the threat or conduct polls normalizing the idea of annexation and invasion, instilling the delusion that these acts of war could be done peacefully.

 

Other Canadian delusions include articles and commentary playing down the threat and recommending Canadians ignore Trump as if collectively wishing the danger to go away. Such actions only benefit the enemy which relies on silent consent and inaction to accomplish his goals of territorial expansion.

 

Even more disconcerting, is the reaction by the so-called "Team Canada" government managed under Justin Trudeau which has decided that the appropriate response to Trump's threats is to propose new unnecessary border project serving as a token of appeasement, redirecting $1.6 billion of Canadian tax payer's money, to Trump and his cabal of oligarchs.

 

These projects proposed by Trudeau will not only fail as appeasement they will be capitulation, as they propose the notion of joint policing to tackle nearly non-existent issues claimed by enemy disinformation networks and collaborators. This will grant the US further control over Canada, no different than a colonizing force. This is often seen as the first step towards annexation.

 

To make matters worse, many disgruntled Canadians seem unable to distinguish real information from enemy propaganda and are floating the idea that they'd be better off being annexed or invaded, many promising to welcome the invaders with open arms. Such sentiments are being met with levity rather than the severity deserved by open treason.

 

When Russian president-oligarch Vladimir Putin was threatening to invade and annex Ukraine few in the government and media took him seriously. Many pretended he was 'joking' and up until the point that Russian troops took Crimea in 2014, they ridiculed the notion of their neighbour invading and annexing them as ridiculous and alarmist.

 

Before Russia's invasion, many Ukrainian politicians, personalities, and media also tried to appease Putin and proposed joint projects, preached 'brotherly' unity, pretended that 'no way Russia would harm its economy like that', and laughed at the notion of an invasion. World governments and media further reinforced these ideas providing a false sense of security.

 

Before the invasion, Russia created a separatist idea in Ukraine. Angry at amplified or invented problems, disgruntled Ukrainians upset about the economy, culture wars, and whatever flavour of the month grievances they were fed through media became separatists welcoming the invaders with open arms. They joined Russian ranks only to discover they are less than second hand citizens used as cannon fodder by their new oligarch masters.

 

In Ukraine, like in Canada, the invading force is not looking to make life better for its conquered people but to remove them from their lands and to claim ownership of its rich and abundant resources worth billions of dollars.

 

The friendship between Canada and the United States is a fairly recent development shaped in the trenches of the end of World War 1 and throughout World War 2, where Canadian troops proved their tenacity and ability to wage modern warfare in their battles against Germany.

 

Before this new friendship, the United States conspired against Canada sizing it up for its expansionist goals. Thomas Jefferson, a US founding father, remarked that the capture of Canada was “a mere matter of marching”. The Americans quickly learned that a coalition of first-nations and Canadian troops under the British flag had no desire to be part of their failed experiment.

 

In the event of a modern invasion of Canada, the population can expect mass casualties from cuts to supplies and superior US air dominance, any Canadian troops hosted in joint Canada - US bases would be quickly captured and US troops would likely take the capital in Ottawa within hours.

 

However... in the event of a US invasion of Canada, there will be resistance and not the type that carries a sign. Canadian troops would switch to an active insurgency and head North, where they would regroup in the wilderness and mountains of the second biggest country in the world. There they would organize an insurgency aided by allies, who will provide intelligence, and supplies, and act as unofficial intermediaries.

 

Civilians would also join the fray to combat US troops. Many being hunters and former reservists, not only from Canada but other countries too. The insurgency in rural and urban areas will likely target the US with hit-and-run tactics, assassinations, IEDs, and suicide drones. Others would aid the insurgency through localized intelligence networks and crowdfunding. While Americans will be very divided about the prospect of a war with Canada, Canadians are raised to expected aggression from their neighbour and will be far more unified in their response.

 

Most importantly, given the proximity to the United States, the Canadian insurgency will spill over to US streets and probably target police departments, US bases, airports, power plants, water supplies, crops, state legislatures, propagandists, collaborators, and ultimately those close to the Trump administration in both government and industry.

 

Unfortunately given the nature of a conflict between Canada and the US, any resulting insurgency carrying out operations within the United States would not be able to distinguish between Democrats and Republicans. Meaning, that the US would likely undergo significant disruption from a collapsed economy, sabotaged logistics, and random bombings that affect everyone.

 

The goal would be to make the United States bleed to the point that the occupation of Canada becomes far more costly than beneficial, creating a rift within the population, forcing either the removal of Trump by the US Congress/ Senate or the birth of a rebellion. Given enough of a push, the US would schism into a kinetic war between pro-democracy forces allied with Canadian insurgents and those loyal to Donald Trump and his oligarch cabal.

 

Ultimately nobody writing history will distinguish between which side Americans voted for, they will all have to pay war reparations and carry the same guilt. The best defence is still a good offence for Canada and the United States. Anyone that wants to prevent conflict, needs to act now. You need to meet the threat with defence not conciliation. And not wait to find out what Trump is going to do when he’s already told us what he’s going to do.

 

 

DUI just exactly will Canada do if that all this fear mongering happened....if it did you'd and the rest of the country would wake up in the morning and it would be over, they would be eating lunch in our parliament.......The left is not going to take up arms and fight they are all talk no balls...You do know the US marines have more female under arms than our entire military has people ....there is 3 other elements of there military...we'd go down in history as the only nation to get beaten up by a bunch of female marines...

Edited February 9 by Army Guy

[Gaétan]

Borders are inventions of kings that have endured and are of no real use. There is no morally valid reason for their usefulness.

[NAME REMOVED]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

DUI just exactly will Canada do if that all this fear mongering happened....if it did you'd and the rest of the country would wake up in the morning and it would be over, they would be eating lunch in our parliament.......The left is not going to take up arms and fight they are all talk no balls...You do know the US marines have more female under arms than our entire military has people ....there is 3 other elements of there military...we'd go down in history as the only nation to get beaten up by a bunch of female marines...

You are, by far, the biggest coward and traitor that the Canadian military has ever come across. I would love to talk with people in your regiment, to see just how much of a clown you were. I feel sorry for them. I am willing to bet money that when they hold any type of veterans event, the most stressful part of it, is to decide if they should invite you, or "forget" your address, so that nobody has to watch you make a fool out of himself, while hitting on the cadets.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

DUI just exactly will Canada do if that all this fear mongering happened....if it did you'd and the rest of the country would wake up in the morning and it would be over, they would be eating lunch in our parliament.......The left is not going to take up arms and fight they are all talk no balls...You do know the US marines have more female under arms than our entire military has people ....there is 3 other elements of there military...we'd go down in history as the only nation to get beaten up by a bunch of female marines...

You're just projecting.

I imagine it'll only take you about 5 minutes to dismiss news stories about Canadian resistance fighters as left wing communist propaganda biased towards terrorism.

[Zeitgeist]

The day the U.S. invaded a country simply to take its stuff under false pretences of national security or open theft is the day that the U.S. loses any moral authority that it has left.  Not only would it be internationally condemned but it would be domestically condemned by millions of Americans as an unamerican act, in violation of its own constitution and supposed values.  The rules based order of the West and the pacts that support it, from NATO to the WTO to other economic treaties, would be abrogated and dissolved in one fell swoop, returning the world to medieval power grabs and atrocities, without regard to the Geneva Convention, international law, or any moral codes.

Could the U.S. do it?  Sure, but Russia could also nuke the world.  Just because one can do something doesn’t mean one should do it.  Occupying a country is a much bigger challenge than invading it, which is why we all had to leave Afghanistan eventually.  It’s why Napoleon and Hitler retreated from Russia.

Conventional warfare is neither advisable nor necessary for the U.S. to have control of Canada.  Trump was stating a fact when he pointed out that without access to the U.S. market Canada struggles to an extent that Canadians would not want to endure.  Nevertheless, the U.S. would struggle too without our purchasing of their exports and without affordable access to our goods, especially energy and minerals.  That doesn’t change if the U.S. invaded Canada, because those mines require minors and companies and local businesses.  Local people do the extraction.  If they tried to bring in Americans to do it, they would become locals and have to occupy the lands against hostile Canadians who are indistinguishable in appearance from Americans.  It would weaken export markets for America and turn the world against America. It’s really that simple.

The US already has access to our resources through USMCA, so what’s the upside of subjugating a population?  The only way Canada could become part of the U.S. in a way that benefits the U.S. is if the Canadian citizens choose it because they perceive it as beneficial to Canadians, so if Trump is serious about Canada joining America, make the case to Canadians and Americans.

As of right now Canadians are not feeling the love.  They perceive Trump as coercive and threatening, so the reaction is Canadian nationalism, unity, and greater independence from the U.S., despite the costs of pursuing it.

I still don’t think it’s too late to make the case for concrete guarantees against future tariffs in exchange for assurances that are reasonable, and this could include the free movement of goods, services, and people, like in the European Union, but America is more protectionist now, not less, and it is talking about expansion through economic pressure, causing Canada and other governments to take protective measures against American belligerence and unpredictability.  There’s simply no choice for Canada if we wish to protect our interests and bargain from a position of strength.  

Edited February 9 by Zeitgeist

[NAME REMOVED]

30 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The day the U.S. invaded a country simply to take its stuff under false pretences of national security or open theft is the day that the U.S. loses any moral authority that it has left.  Not only would it be internationally condemned but it would be domestically condemned by millions of Americans as an unamerican act, in violation of its own constitution and supposed values.  

You may want to Google the Vietnam War, or the 2003 Iraq War. There are other instances of US intervention, under false pretences. This is nothing new. 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

You may want to Google the Vietnam War, or the 2003 Iraq War. There are other instances of US intervention, under false pretences. This is nothing new. 

I’m well aware of those.  Vietnam had an arguable purpose, as did the first Gulf War, though the first became an entanglement.  The second turned into an unnecessary entanglement after the 2nd invasion of Iraq. Also, Canada is in America, well North America. Culturally and economically it’s so similar to the U.S. that in many respects it acts like the U.S.   Canada is in some ways a better version of the U.S. in terms of safety and social cohesion. It simply needs major restoration.  It needs to straighten out priorities and act more carefully and tactically.  If it does, Canada can be very strong again. Isn’t it funny though that it’s in many ways a Canadian version of MAGA that’s going to rescue Canada. We need to return our institutions to their original purpose and make government leaner.  It’s the Conservative message. America First is reminding us to put Canada first, which means scrapping a lot of foolish Liberal anti-Canadian rhetoric and overbearing, bloated, irresponsible government. Trump may be good overall for Canada by reminding us to get our act together. Any imperial adventure to try to make Canada the 51st state against the will of Canadians isn’t worth the cost to Americans.  We need mutually beneficial partnerships or both partners suffer.

Edited February 9 by Zeitgeist

[Gaétan]

Borders are stories of kings, they said this territory belongs to me and they said to other kings do not come here to steal what belongs to me but it is not moral to say that Canada belongs to anyone. The land is lent to us for the time we live there, we cannot claim to own it. The media tries to raise the patriotic flame for political purposes, they have never defended the interests of the population but only of kings or the elites who succeeded them. 

[Aristides]

13 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Money was invented by kings to take advantage of the people, the rich took their place

Money was invented so you don't have to trade a chicken for a hammer.

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Borders are stories of kings, they said this territory belongs to me and they said to other kings do not come here to steal what belongs to me but it is not moral to say that Canada belongs to anyone. The land is lent to us for the time we live there, we cannot claim to own it. The media tries to raise the patriotic flame for political purposes, they have never defended the interests of the population but only of kings or the elites who succeeded them. 

You live in an imaginary world.  You clearly have no idea where our monarchy and country came from.  Both originated in battle.  Kings raised armies and offered protection to feudal vassals.  It was because they won battles and were able to hold lands that they were recognized as kings.  In a Parliamentary Democracy the monarch’s role is much more symbolic.  However the symbol is powerful because it represents the culture and the country over thousands of years.  Where do you think Canada’s institutions came from?  Do you know about the Plains of Abraham defeat of the French or the Battle of Queenston Heights resistance against the Americans or Vimy Ridge where Canada assembled 4 divisions in WW1? Paintings of the battlefields line the walls of our Senate Chamber.

I hate to have to say this, but I actually don’t think you know much or care much about any of that, which is why you can’t fathom why Canadian sovereignty and identity mean anything.  I don’t know your background but I can see that much.

Also you don’t seem to understand that money has allowed for the highest forms of exchange and trade of goods and services. Without it you cannot build an advanced society with the lifestyles we enjoy today. Without having a currency that represents the value of things, there’s no way to value labour or effort in a diverse large economy.

I will grant you one concession here, which is that as we automate our society and human resources become less necessary for the basic production of our goods, we will need to find ways to make jobs that traditionally paid less pay more.  We will need to find ways for people to feel valued and connected to a system of production that in fact won’t require much from them.  We need to remove the machines from our restaurants and grocery stores and replace them with people.  We may need to de-automate portions of our economy so that we maintain a sense of community and make people feel valued.

That’s a separate issue from protecting Canada as a culture and country.  Well, not entirely, because Canada has embraced modernity, but some innovations have eroded our sense of community and wellbeing.

Edited February 9 by Zeitgeist

[Venandi]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

just exactly will Canada do if that all this fear mongering happened

I'd love to hear that plan too. Maybe box lunch projectiles launched from low flying helicopters... assuming we can get one started and actually find a pilot who isn't scheduled for diversity training. 

Sheltered life I guess, until joining this forum I didn't realize the extent of our collective malaise... I take some comfort in the fact that I've never actually met creatures like this IRL, maybe forums like this just draw them out. I know lots of liberal voters through various hobbies and activities but none qualify as anywhere close to the level of bat sh%t crazy on display here. 

Maybe you could try using individual sentences as paragraphs and ending each with duh or LMAO...  other than trying to converse with them in their language of choice I got nothing.

It looks to me like the level of cranial extraction required is a surgical procedure. Being as it's a fantasy land resplendent with flying dragons and such, maybe this will prove helpful as a response to absurdity.

Good luck....

 

Edited February 9 by Venandi

[Barquentine]

So realistically the "51st state" ain't gonna happen. UNLESS:  Trump concocts a national emergency, suspends the constitution and has himself named "Leader for Life", Like Xi Jinping did and Putin has more or less done. So Russia gets Ukraine, China gets Taiwan, the U.S. gets Canada, Panama, and Greenland. Wow. Next time I'm in Hollywood I'm gonna pitch this to Oliver Stone.

Could happen. You never know.

[Barquentine]

PS : And Jared Kushner gets Gaza.

Edited February 9 by Barquentine

[Zeitgeist]

23 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

So realistically the "51st state" ain't gonna happen. UNLESS:  Trump concocts a national emergency, suspends the constitution and has himself named "Leader for Life", Like Xi Jinping did and Putin has more or less done. So Russia gets Ukraine, China gets Taiwan, the U.S. gets Canada, Panama, and Greenland. Wow. Next time I'm in Hollywood I'm gonna pitch this to Oliver Stone.

Could happen. You never know.

Yeah and democracy ends so that oligarchs with big egos can play a giant game of Risk against the will of entire populations.  Sounds like a recipe for progress and success.  Sarcasm.

Trump isn’t coming across as wise or strategic in this trade war that he started, because he can quickly lose the middle swing voters for the sake of fairly meaningless concessions from countries with but-hurt populations looking to take their business elsewhere.  Strong relations are built on trust and goodwill.  Bad relations are built on coercion.  Basic human nature.  

Edited February 9 by Zeitgeist

[Gaétan]

You are naive, Trudeau is trying to light the patriotic flame to increase the popularity of his party, this guy is nothing but a corrupt scum, punto final. Borders between countries are barriers invented by kings for their own needs and which have lasted until today but are of no moral use. Is preventing Mexicans from coming to eat in the United States or Canada really morally right. Is it morally right to be afraid that our blood will be mixed with other ethnicities? Is it fair for a rich and resourceful country not to share with an arid and poorer country? It harms trade and the sharing of wealth. Borders between countries must be abolished. Abolishing borders does not abolish local governments and administration for the needs of the population. It is also necessary to abolish money, which in the past was a system that benefited kings, today the rich, but which does not meet the needs of the population and is a source of waste of resources; if there is no consumption, there is famine and misery..

[Army Guy]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

You're just projecting.

I imagine it'll only take you about 5 minutes to dismiss news stories about Canadian resistance fighters as left wing communist propaganda biased towards terrorism.

During my entire career in the military i might have run across a dozen or so military liberals...and they were mostly in the air force SO if your saying the left is going to have a resistance group of  fighters i'm very skeptical, i evisionage more of a climate protester, throwing paint on paintings, glueing one's hand to the road way...Heated arguments over gender issues, LGBTQ discussions and that sort of thing....picking up any type of weapons for the left is going to be a challenge as majority of the left don't have any....

So i would take me less than a split second to dismiss any story about leftist armed resistance.... 

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

You are, by far, the biggest coward and traitor that the Canadian military has ever come across. I would love to talk with people in your regiment, to see just how much of a clown you were. I feel sorry for them. I am willing to bet money that when they hold any type of veterans event, the most stressful part of it, is to decide if they should invite you, or "forget" your address, so that nobody has to watch you make a fool out of himself, while hitting on the cadets.

Well i guess you and the military have much different opinions, I have been recognized on more than one occasion for my service, even got a medal with some bars on it, for good conduct, and the Queens jubilee medal for my contributions .I even have piece of paper signed by your hero Justin Trudeau thanking me for my service, not much a big deal everyone that retires gets one if you had a good service record.... So ya i got no problems getting phone calls or invites to regimental functions. But thanks for your concern....And thanks for your support...our nation thanks you as well if not just for the chirping you give out...maybe one day it will be more than just words....

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Well i guess you and the military have much different opinions, I have been recognized on more than one occasion for my service, even got a medal with some bars on it, for good conduct, and the Queens jubilee medal for my contributions .I even have piece of paper signed by your hero Justin Trudeau thanking me for my service, not much a big deal everyone that retires gets one if you had a good service record.... So ya i got no problems getting phone calls or invites to regimental functions. But thanks for your concern....And thanks for your support...our nation thanks you as well if not just for the chirping you give out...maybe one day it will be more than just words....

three combat tours in Afghanistan, with the Battalion, outside the wire

nuff said

Victoria Regina Imperatrix  - Pro Patria

[Dougie93]

57 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

During my entire career in the military i might have run across a dozen or so military liberals...and they were mostly in the air force SO if your saying the left is going to have a resistance group of  fighters i'm very skeptical, i evisionage more of a climate protester, throwing paint on paintings, glueing one's hand to the road way...Heated arguments over gender issues, LGBTQ discussions and that sort of thing....picking up any type of weapons for the left is going to be a challenge as majority of the left don't have any....

So i would take me less than a split second to dismiss any story about leftist armed resistance.... 

the left wing insurgency scenario would not be Canadians v. Americans

it would be Canadian v. Canadian

because the Laurentian Elite ruling class would capitulate to save their own skins

then the Government of Canada would be subordinated to Washington

so the Chinese backed Marxist guerrillas would become Enemies of the Crown therein

the leftists here keep invoking Vietnam & Iraq

but both of those conflicts were in fact vicious internecine civil wars

Vietnamese mass murdering Vietnamese, Iraqis mass murdering Iraqis

neither the Vietnamese nor the Iraqis ever struck the American homeland

as the internal conflicts became all consuming

so if these leftist guerrillas took to the north to plot and execute terrorist attacks against America

it would be Joint Task Force 2 hunting them down ; kill/capture counterleadership operations

Find-Fix-Finish-Exploit-Analyze-Disseminate (F3EAD)

the only American boots on the ground would be CIA ; Directorate of Operations National Clandestine Service

[Dougie93]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m well aware of those.  Vietnam had an arguable purpose, as did the first Gulf War, though the first became an entanglement.  The second turned into an unnecessary entanglement after the 2nd invasion of Iraq. Also, Canada is in America, well North America. Culturally and economically it’s so similar to the U.S. that in many respects it acts like the U.S.   Canada is in some ways a better version of the U.S. in terms of safety and social cohesion. It simply needs major restoration.  It needs to straighten out priorities and act more carefully and tactically.  If it does, Canada can be very strong again. Isn’t it funny though that it’s in many ways a Canadian version of MAGA that’s going to rescue Canada. We need to return our institutions to their original purpose and make government leaner.  It’s the Conservative message. America First is reminding us to put Canada first, which means scrapping a lot of foolish Liberal anti-Canadian rhetoric and overbearing, bloated, irresponsible government. Trump may be good overall for Canada by reminding us to get our act together. Any imperial adventure to try to make Canada the 51st state against the will of Canadians isn’t worth the cost to Americans.  We need mutually beneficial partnerships or both partners suffer.

as I always say; Canada is a giant Ulster

contrary to popular sentiment ; America has gone to war against the British Crown since the Second World War

America backed the Irish Fenians against the Loyalists in Northern Ireland

the actual fault line in Canada is the same

Fenians ( Post National State ) v. Loyalists ( Old Stock Canadians )

it's not the Republicans who have invaded and occupied Canada with their ideology

it is the Democrats who have subjugated the Laurentian Elite ruling class with American Woke Progressivism 

no wonder His Majesty The King is not interceding on Canada's behalf ;

as the ruling class in Canada is not Loyalist, quite the opposite

the Laurentian Elites are the traitors

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