Radiorum Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 In the last month, the Liberal Party has enjoyed an 8-point gain, while the Conservative Party has seen a 5-point drop. https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/liberals-narrow-gap-conservatives The prospect of a new leader has no doubt turned some back to the Liberals. The Conservatives still lead, and remain well-positioned for a win if the election were held tomorrow. But what does the future hold? Which party do Canadians think will better handle Trump and his threats? Some might think Poilievre is too philosophically aligned with Trumpism to launch a proper fight. It’s to the Liberals’ advantage to make the threat of Trump more real. I think that’s why we have Trudeau saying Trumps’ threat to annex Canada “is a real thing.” 1 Quote
Legato Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 12 minutes ago, Radiorum said: In the last month, the Liberal Party has enjoyed an 8-point gain, while the Conservative Party has seen a 5-point drop. https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/liberals-narrow-gap-conservatives The prospect of a new leader has no doubt turned some back to the Liberals. The Conservatives still lead, and remain well-positioned for a win if the election were held tomorrow. But what does the future hold? Which party do Canadians think will better handle Trump and his threats? Some might think Poilievre is too philosophically aligned with Trumpism to launch a proper fight. It’s to the Liberals’ advantage to make the threat of Trump more real. I think that’s why we have Trudeau saying Trumps’ threat to annex Canada “is a real thing.” The gap is still akin to trying to find the exact diameter of a 1/4" steel bar with a 1" to 2"micrometer. Quote
Aristides Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 I think this will be the most interesting election in a long time. A lot will depend on who the Liberals pick and how the leaders perform during the campaign. Looks to be a lot closer than anyone would have thought a couple of months ago. Trump handed the Liberals a real lifeline with his tariff threats and 51st state BS. 4 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Radiorum said: In the last month, the Liberal Party has enjoyed an 8-point gain, while the Conservative Party has seen a 5-point drop. https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/liberals-narrow-gap-conservatives The prospect of a new leader has no doubt turned some back to the Liberals. The Conservatives still lead, and remain well-positioned for a win if the election were held tomorrow. But what does the future hold? Which party do Canadians think will better handle Trump and his threats? Some might think Poilievre is too philosophically aligned with Trumpism to launch a proper fight. It’s to the Liberals’ advantage to make the threat of Trump more real. I think that’s why we have Trudeau saying Trumps’ threat to annex Canada “is a real thing.” Always get the new leader bump. But as I've said a million times that rarely translates to the polls. The more interesting thing which you completely missed and is worth talking about is that their support appears to be coming primarily from what's left of the NDP. So the real question is does this open a door for the new liberal leader to negotiate not having an election until say 2026? Our constitution absolutely allows for that. That might give a new liberal leader time to show that he's different than Trudeau to Canadians by running the country for a year and a half. Is the real question here. If they go to an election as planned at the end of March beginning of April Carney will get slaughtered and really it's a question of whether it's a disaster or a complete disaster for the liberals. But if the NDP thinks that they'll get slaughtered if they go now and they would be better off waiting then they might have a chance of convincing them. Some of the recent polls have the NDP down to 12% Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 PP has done nothing to distance himself with MAGA, and has been quiet, while nearly every MAGA political figure has endorsed him. Not only that, the Conservatives just announced their new campaign slogan : "Canada First" a carbon copy of MAGA's "Canada First." It's almost like he has no self-awareness. When Trump is universally despised, it defies logic that PP is aligning himself with Trump. I would not be surprised if the Liberal Party is leading in the polls, come April. 5 hours ago, Aristides said: I think this will be the most interesting election in a long time. A lot will depend on who the Liberals pick and how the leaders perform during the campaign. Looks to be a lot closer than anyone would have thought a couple of months ago. Trump handed the Liberals a real lifeline with his tariff threats and 51st state BS. It's obviously going to be Carney. 1 1 Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: Is the real question here. If they go to an election as planned at the end of March beginning of April Carney will get slaughtered and really it's a question of whether it's a disaster or a complete disaster for the liberals. But if the NDP thinks that they'll get slaughtered if they go now and they would be better off waiting then they might have a chance of convincing them. Some of the recent polls have the NDP down to 12% End of March??? This is the first time I have heard an election planned for this date. Can you substantiate this with any source? Quote
Aristides Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: PP has done nothing to distance himself with MAGA, and has been quiet, while nearly every MAGA political figure has endorsed him. Not only that, the Conservatives just announced their new campaign slogan : "Canada First" a carbon copy of MAGA's "Canada First." It's almost like he has no self-awareness. When Trump is universally despised, it defies logic that PP is aligning himself with Trump. I would not be surprised if the Liberal Party is leading in the polls, come April. It's obviously going to be Carney. I think it will be Carney as well. Quote
betsy Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: PP has done nothing to distance himself with MAGA, and has been quiet, while nearly every MAGA political figure has endorsed him. Not only that, the Conservatives just announced their new campaign slogan : "Canada First" a carbon copy of MAGA's "Canada First." It's almost like he has no self-awareness. When Trump is universally despised, it defies logic that PP is aligning himself with Trump. I would not be surprised if the Liberal Party is leading in the polls, come April. It's obviously going to be Carney. You think there'll ever be a real negotiation between Trump and a PM from the Liberal Party - a leader that's been hand-picked by Trudeau as successor, to boot? That CANADA has become far-left-leaning over the years, is the real reason why Trump wants Canada to become the 51st State. The thought of Canada, with all its resources, eventually falling into the hands of a SOCIALIST regime - a SOCIALIST regime sitting right next door to the USA - must be keeping Trump awake most nights. If Carney becomes the Prime Minister...................we're going to become the 51st State, that's for sure. Edited February 8 by betsy 1 Quote
Radiorum Posted February 8 Author Report Posted February 8 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: their support appears to be coming primarily from what's left of the NDP. I don't know if it is "primarily" - but yes support for the federal NDP has steadily decreased over the last year, not just in the last month. Maybe it had something to do with Singh pulling the plug on NDP support for the Liberals 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: the new liberal leader to negotiate not having an election until say 2026? Our constitution absolutely allows for that. I'm not sure about this. Can you point us to where it says this? Under the fixed-date provisions of the Canada Elections Act, the election would be held on October 20, 2025 It could be earlier, but not later. 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: Some of the recent polls have the NDP down to 12% I've read 9% https://www.orilliamatters.com/local-news/poll-federal-ndp-green-readers-shifting-to-liberals-10162957 Quote
Radiorum Posted February 8 Author Report Posted February 8 2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: PP has done nothing to distance himself with MAGA, and has been quiet, while nearly every MAGA political figure has endorsed him. Not only that, the Conservatives just announced their new campaign slogan : "Canada First" a carbon copy of MAGA's "Canada First." It's almost like he has no self-awareness. When Trump is universally despised, it defies logic that PP is aligning himself with Trump. I would not be surprised if the Liberal Party is leading in the polls, come April. I agree this can really work against him and the Conservatives, especially with the groundswell of Canadian nationalism we've seen in the wake of Trump's threats. 2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: "Canada First." Interesting. They have a website: https://canadafirstm.ca/ They list as their leaders Trudeau, Poilievre, and Danielle Smith, so they must be out of Alberta Apparently they are a relaunch of a movement started in 1868 in the wake of the Red River Rebellion and the execution of Thomas Scott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_First But, yeah, I think the next federal leader needs to distance us from the US, not copy them 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 1 hour ago, betsy said: The thought of Canada, with all its resources, eventually falling into the hands of a SOCIALIST regime - a SOCIALIST regime sitting right next door to the USA - must be keeping Trump awake most nights. What socialist regime? because we have health care, old age security, etc...? The U.S. has medicaid, social security, food stamps, etc... What keeps Trump up at night is probably his bowels. Mcdonald's every day'll do that. 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: PP has done nothing to distance himself with MAGA, Other than publicly disagreeing with Trump about taking over Canada and about tariffs, and endorsing policies that go completely against what MAGA would want? 2 Quote
blackbird Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, Barquentine said: What socialist regime? because we have health care, old age security, etc...? The U.S. has medicaid, social security, food stamps, etc... Canada, under the Liberal left/NDP, is more Socialist, progressive, woke, authoritarian and Marxist. That would bother Trump, but I don't think it would keep him up at night. The border has been wide open under Trudeau all along. Liberal, NDP are very soft on crime. Catch and release the norm and light sentences for murder are often common. Early parole is common. Parole of serious offenders has resulted in more victims and killings by murderers. People are sentenced according to their racial background. FNs get lighter or no jail time. We have carbon taxes which lower the standard of living of all Canadians. The rebates don't make up for it and are paid on a scale according to income. They don't fully rebate the people who paid lots of carbon taxes and people are not rebated according to what they paid in carbon taxes. It is a tax grab. We have higher taxes in Canada to pay for all the programs including giving away billions of dollars to the rest of the world. About one third the price of gas in B.C. is taxes. We have the highest gas prices in north America. Auto insurance is also very high. Our public health care system is a disaster and millions in Canada do not have a family doctor. Waiting times in emergency rooms are outrageous. Thousands of people die on waiting lists. So much for Socialized medicine in Canada. Canada has ignored its military responsibilities for decades, which is also a left wing, pacifist scheme. Canada's resource industry is heavily regulated which discourages investment and jobs and pushes the price of everything up. New pipelines are banned in Canada. Selling natural gas to Europe and much of the world is prohibited under Trudeau. It takes ten or fifteen years for a mining project to get approved. Canada gave FNs billions of dollars and control over much of resource developement which is like shooting one's self in the foot. It is hard to build homes in Canada's cities with all the regulations, extra fees and red tape. Another Socialist/Marxist folly. Edited February 8 by blackbird 1 1 1 Quote
PIK Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 4 hours ago, Aristides said: I think it will be Carney as well. We all knew that a while ago. The others running against him should get their money refunded. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
WestCanMan Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 The whole Trump shit-show really played into CBC's hand. They were able to showcase Trudeau as a defender of Canada, and there's no law saying that they had to admit that Trudeau caved to Trump's demands. When election time comes, can Canadians really vote for an MP that followed Trudeau around like a sick puppy for ten years? I dunno. Seems kinda revolting. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Army Guy Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 4 hours ago, Radiorum said: But, yeah, I think the next federal leader needs to distance us from the US, not copy them We are going to be forced to copy some of trumps' plan just to remain competitive in a lot of markets... Slashing all there green policies, building more pipelines and capacity, is going to free up money and resources to able them to slash prices and just out compete Canada. And that is not going to happen with a liberal government with Capt Carney in charge...at least not in the poil and gas sectors... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: What socialist regime? because we have health care, old age security, etc...? The U.S. has medicaid, social security, food stamps, etc... What keeps Trump up at night is probably his bowels. Mcdonald's every day'll do that. You mean we have a health care system that is on life support , and a CPP and OAS that might not be able to handle all the new flux of retirement.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: End of March??? This is the first time I have heard an election planned for this date. Can you substantiate this with any source? Yes I can and you have heard of it and stop being a weirdo. The house returns at the end of March. Both the NDP and the conservatives have advised it is their plan to immediately vote to bring the government down and start an election. There's about a billion stories about it. Why are you so weird? You're such a broken little person Quote
CdnFox Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 (edited) 5 hours ago, Radiorum said: I don't know if it is "primarily" - but yes support for the federal NDP has steadily decreased over the last year, not just in the last month. Maybe it had something to do with Singh pulling the plug on NDP support for the Liberals The thing is prior to very recently the support that was leaving the NDP strangely enough went to the conservatives. The polling leaves no doubt, for about a year and a change the conservatives have been benefiting from young people leaving the NDP worried that they're going to have no future if things don't change. Currently the bleed from the ndp is going to the liberals. That's new, but it would seem that older ndp supporters are deciding that carney would be a better choice for change and are taking a bit of a "join the libs to fight the cpc" attitude as we have very often seen in the past. The libs will lean into that for the election campaign. Quote I'm not sure about this. Can you point us to where it says this? Under the fixed-date provisions of the Canada Elections Act, the election would be held on October 20, 2025 It could be earlier, but not later. No, the fixed election date law is... how do i put this?... a law Laws can be changed by the sitting gov't no problem. They would need the ndp to agree but that's it, and they would be in till 2026. The 2026 date is constitutional, they can't change that. And in fact they changed the election date law once already. Do you not recall that they added 2 weeks to the date officially a few months back because there's a bunch of libs and dips who wouldn't have qualified for pensions with the first date? Look it up. So there you go, proof. I found a story talking about it, if you research a little you'll see this is accurate, next time though do your own homework. What about a 2026 election instead? - The Hill Times Quote I've read 9% https://www.orilliamatters.com/local-news/poll-federal-ndp-green-readers-shifting-to-liberals-10162957 well that sure as hell doesn't make it better for them That's even more reason to do a deal with the libs to extend the election. "The Trade war is a crisis and we need a solid gov't not an election to get through it. Therefore we have agreed it's best for canada to put off the election and remove the current election law date. We will have an election when this crisis is over with" Then they'll hope like hell that SOMETHING happens to bring up their fortunes. Carney would very likely underperform and the ndp can claim they gave the libs a chance but they're still the same old libs so they're pulling their support, whatever blah blah. Edited February 8 by CdnFox Quote
Aristides Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 The constitution says five years but the law is four as you say. Quote
suds Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 What the hell is wrong with 'Canada first'? It sure beats the crap out of 'party first'. Quote
Radiorum Posted February 8 Author Report Posted February 8 52 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The thing is prior to very recently the support that was leaving the NDP strangely enough went to the conservatives. And the thing is, the NDP gets a lot more support at the provincial level. I wonder why that is. 53 minutes ago, CdnFox said: next time though do your own homework. Lol, proving your point is your homework, not mine Quote
Aristides Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 The last time it went over four years was 1993. Canada first is a nice slogan but what does it mean? Quote
CdnFox Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 15 minutes ago, Radiorum said: And the thing is, the NDP gets a lot more support at the provincial level. I wonder why that is. Well first off the NDP is more of a western party. Or at least it's seen that way. They've never done very well in the east in ontario or quebec even provincially as a rule, and they're seen as a little bit of a fringe there like the greens. And historically you're not winning an election without strong support in quebec or ontario. I don't think they're disliked, they're just not really the 'home team'. And secondly there is a little bit of a trend where provinces prefer to keep their left wing tendencies focused closer to home so that it's specific to their needs and tastes. Federal parties tend to come up with 'one size fits all' social solutions and that often isn't appreciated. Local ndp can be a much better fit for social programs without going TOO overboard. Quote Lol, proving your point is your homework, not mine Not in this day and age kiddo, no matter what your left wing buddies in elementary school tell you These days asking others to provide readily obtainable facts is called sealioning, and it's recognized as a dishonest practice. If i post something that requires extensive research or isn't easily available then fair enough, but if I post something that you can find on your own with 2 minutes of work then i do NOT have to provide that and it ABSOLUTELY is YOUR homework. If i post that a specific but unnamed report says that 53.2 percent of something is this way and the argument hinges on that then requiring i provide the report or at least name it to show it exists is reasonable, you woudn't know which one i was referring to if you tried to look. On the other hand, if i post that the sun rose in the east today you you're like "CITE!!!" then feel free to Eff off The constitution and fixed election dates are entirely commonly available topics and 1) as an educated adult you should ALREADY KNOW this crap and b) you could have found it in under 2 minutes. Do. Your. Homework. If you rely on others to constantly spoon feed you then you're never going to learn to think for yourself. It's no wonder you tend to regurgitate talking points, look stuff up for yourself. Quote
suds Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 28 minutes ago, Aristides said: Canada first is a nice slogan but what does it mean? It means you put the good of the country ahead of everything else. It's why we're in the mess we're in now. The exact opposite of putting one's own self interest first, or Party first, or ideology first. or just plain stuck on stupid. 1 Quote
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