eyeball Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 2 hours ago, carepov said: I have been to Israel, the West Bank and Egypt. I have spoken to many Arabs and heard their views clearly. It is not fiction that Arabic society kills dissidents, kills homosexuals, and performs FGM. Their desire to kill all Jews is not a fiction either. It would be fiction to say this is true of every Arab. It would be illrgal to use this as a justification for invading, dispossessing, subjugating and oppressing Palestine for that last hundred years. 2 hours ago, carepov said: Well he was as wrong about the Arabs as he was quantum mechanics. I'll go with Martin Luther King Einstein eventually accepted the validity of quantum mechanics but not the fascism he witnessed Jewish terrorists inflicting on Palestinians. MLK missed the mark AFAIC. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 23 hours ago, eyeball said: I don't support that I support the Palestinian cause that resists Israel's subjugation, dispossession and oppression of Palestine. What a load of crap, every person on this forum that supports Palestinians say the say thing....and yet during the Oct incursion palestinians were dancing in the streets singing praise for what was done...none of them condemned the attacks they rejoiced in them....Attacks mostly on unarmed civilians....the killing of unarmed women, children, old men and babies...that what they rejoiced about...Thats whom you support.....And somehow we are suppose to feel empathy towards a people that kill innocent unarmed civilians....they are all terrorist their fate has already been decided, god wills it...to use a muslim phrase....Israelis job is not done yet, to kill and wipe out Hamas to the man , and all the rest of their supporters , they are doing the globe a huge favor.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: What a load of crap, every person on this forum that supports Palestinians say the say thing....and yet during the Oct incursion palestinians were dancing in the streets singing praise for what was done... Yup I guess that's what a hundred years of constant oppression resulting in the deaths of thousands of unarmed civilians, women, children, old men and babies will do to people. I'm sure you saw stories about Israelis having BBQs and backyard parties to watch shells landing in Gaza. Good times! And yes Israelis even kidnap and rape Palestinians. But of course you already knew that. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: ...none of us condemned the attacks we rejoiced in them.. Fixed that for you. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
carepov Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 2 hours ago, eyeball said: It would be fiction to say this is true of every Arab. It would be illrgal to use this as a justification for invading, dispossessing, subjugating and oppressing Palestine for that last hundred years. Einstein eventually accepted the validity of quantum mechanics but not the fascism he witnessed Jewish terrorists inflicting on Palestinians. MLK missed the mark AFAIC. Einstein was critical of fascist elements of Israeli society on 1948, as I'm sure he would oppose thise same elements today. Luckily most israelis also opposed and still oppose those facist elements that are kept on the fringes. Einstein was a Zionist that supported the state of Israel: [Einstein] speaks about the dangers facing Israel and says “It is anomalous that world opinion should only criticize Israel’s response to hostility and should not actively seek to bring an end to the Arab hostility which is the root cause of the tension. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Albert_Einstein#:~:text=Einstein was a prominent supporter,Jews the sense of community. After reading this , I think that both Einstein and MLK would agree about their support for Israel. Quote
eyeball Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 12 minutes ago, carepov said: Einstein was critical of fascist elements of Israeli society on 1948, as I'm sure he would oppose thise same elements today. Luckily most israelis also opposed and still oppose those facist elements that are kept on the fringes. I guess that explains the hard-right government running Israel. People in Israel who oppose this btw are often referred to as anti-Semites and of course communists and radicals, they're probably even considered woke, by other Jews. Just like here Israeli lefties laugh at the accusations. 20 minutes ago, carepov said: After reading this , I think that both Einstein and MLK would agree about their support for Israel. I doubt that would be the case if they could still see what was going on today. Especially now with the Shiniest Beacon for golf courses and hotels weighing in on things. They'd likely puke. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
herbie Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 Einstein is long dead and ethnic cleansing is still a Crime Against Humanity. Quote
taxme Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 On 2/5/2025 at 11:29 AM, blackbird said: This would not have to be a forced removal of people from the Gaza. The west would in effect be purchasing the Gaza. This would go a long way to ending the conflict in that area. I don't see any other way to stop the fighting originating in the Gaza strip. 1. It could be done by offering financial incentives. Every Palestinian who moves could be paid a certain amount of money. The money could come from the U.S., Canada, other countries, and the U.N. 2. The money could also involve spending billions of dollars to build apartments, and create jobs in the countries they settle in. 3. It seems Hamas cannot be eliminated in the present situation. However, moving them by offering financial incentive may provide a solution. This would mean it would not be compulsory but would be in effect purchasing the Gaza strip. So far nobody in the news media has mentioned the idea of paying billions of dollars to the Palestinians to make it feasible. Part of the payments would have to be used to build apartments and create jobs. All of the money would not be given to the Palestinians directly. Some money could be paid directly to the ones who actually move. Part of the money would have to be retained and only used for the purpose of building new apartments, infrastructure, creating jobs, and communities in the destination countries. At present Jordan and Egypt oppose moving them to their countries. But the financial benefits have not been negotiated. That is the missing key to this. Perhaps if there was billions of dollars on the table, they would be willing to take in the Palestinians. But there would need to be a way to ensure the money was used only for the relocation and building of the homes, infrastructure, and jobs for the Palestinians. Also, the payments to the ones who relocated would have to be ensured somehow. The money could not be just handed over to the countries they moved into. Will some money come from Israel who bombed the hell out of the Palestinians? Israel should be the biggest distributor of money and help for what they did to the Pals. But what ever money Israel will donate will be coming from the Americans taxpayer's anyway. Americans are financing Israel all the time with billions of their tax dollars every year. As far as Canada goes, no freaking way. We did not start the war and we should not be sending a nickel to anyone period. We are pfkn broke already thanks to that buffoon in Ottawa who borrows hundreds of millions of dollars from the globalist banksters and then gives it pretty much all away to other countries. That is why we have high inflation here in Canada. Borrow and spend is the what the liberals are great at. 🤮 As far as I am concerned, nobody really gives a crap about Palestinians anyway. It's all just a show. My opinion. 😇 Quote
carepov Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 2 hours ago, eyeball said: I guess that explains the hard-right government running Israel. People in Israel who oppose this btw are often referred to as anti-Semites and of course communists and radicals, they're probably even considered woke, by other Jews. Just like here Israeli lefties laugh at the accusations. I doubt that would be the case if they could still see what was going on today. Especially now with the Shiniest Beacon for golf courses and hotels weighing in on things. They'd likely puke. I find that Israeli critics like you are very good at pointing out flaws about Israel, past and present. Consider however the fact that there are 2 million Arabs in Israel, living very peacefully and well overall. Meanwhile there are hundreds of millions of Arabs in surrounding countries that have ethically cleansed the jews from their countries and are aiming to destry israel to rid the ME of jews. Quote
eyeball Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 45 minutes ago, carepov said: I find that Israeli critics like you are very good at pointing out flaws about Israel, past and present. It really doesn't take much effort. All anyone needs to do is imagine themselves in a Palestinian's shoes. Would you have submitted? I imagine Palestinians a 100 years ago probably felt much like Ukrainians feel today about big powererful arseholes deciding their fate. 53 minutes ago, carepov said: Consider however the fact that there are 2 million Arabs in Israel, living very peacefully and well overall. Good for them. 55 minutes ago, carepov said: Meanwhile there are hundreds of millions of Arabs in surrounding countries that have ethically cleansed the jews from their countries and are aiming to destry israel to rid the ME of jews. Meanwhile there are millions of Israelis and Americans happily planning for the day when millions of Palestinians are ethnically cleansed, again, from their homes to make room for a bunch of golf-courses and hotels. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 3 hours ago, carepov said: Consider however the fact that there are 2 million Arabs in Israel, living very peacefully and well overall. Those Arabs have the rights of Israelis, by and large. The Arabs in the Occupied Territories don’t enjoy those rights, or many rights we would consider normal. Just driving to work can be a nightmare in the West Bank, for example. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Those Arabs have the rights of Israelis, by and large. The Arabs in the Occupied Territories don’t enjoy those rights, or many rights we would consider normal. Just driving to work can be a nightmare in the West Bank, for example. maybe we should move them out of the occupied territories then. Sounds like they'd be better off if it was all just Israel Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
carepov Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 7 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Those Arabs have the rights of Israelis, by and large. The Arabs in the Occupied Territories don’t enjoy those rights, or many rights we would consider normal. Just driving to work can be a nightmare in the West Bank, for example. Agreed. They should have accepted one of the many peace deals instead of continually trying to drive jews into the sea. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 53 minutes ago, carepov said: Agreed. They should have accepted one of the many peace deals instead of continually trying to drive jews into the sea. Some tried but Israeli settlers kept driving them out and killing them anyway, usually for resisting. Men, women, old and young, kids, babies. Some were kidnapped some were raped and some are still being held hostage. And you would just submit to this if it was you? Seriously? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
carepov Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 2 hours ago, eyeball said: It really doesn't take much effort. All anyone needs to do is imagine themselves in a Palestinian's shoes. Would you have submitted? I imagine Palestinians a 100 years ago probably felt much like Ukrainians feel today about big powererful arseholes deciding their fate. Firstly, Palestinians 100 years ago included jews and others as part of the British empire. Secondly, no one living in that area for centuries ever had the privilege of ruling themselves. Finally, it was a choice to fight and try to rule the whole area, or accept peace and divide the land. 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: Some tried but Israeli settlers kept driving them out and killing them anyway, usually for resisting. Men, women, old and young, kids, babies. Some were kidnapped some were raped and some are still being held hostage. And you would just submit to this if it was you? Seriously? Fake news. Quote
eyeball Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, carepov said: Firstly, Palestinians 100 years ago included jews and others as part of the British empire. And they were busily and happily building what was arguably one of the most moderate forward thinking multi-cultural economies in the region. 4 minutes ago, carepov said: Secondly, no one living in that area for centuries ever had the privilege of ruling themselves. Barely anyone else on the planet could claim that at the time. The powers that be barely tolerated their own people having much if any 'power'. Nor did they have the moral or ethical background such an obviously delicately fraught undertaking required. 6 minutes ago, carepov said: Finally, it was a choice to fight and try to rule the whole area, or accept peace and divide the land. In either case it's just too bad so many Zionists chose to be arseholes about it from the get go. Ultimately though responsibility should fall on the Great Powers of the day who saw fit to leave behind such a toxic geopolitical mess when they bailed out. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Some tried but Israeli settlers kept driving them out and killing them anyway, usually for resisting. Bullshit. They are 100% to blame for the fact that there's no peace in the west bank. If they wanted peace they could have had it. They're less militant than Gaza but they are not peaceful. And now they're paying for the decisions they've made. They did the whole sympathy routine in both Gaza and the west bank because traditionally people would ride to their defense just as you are crying about what victims they are no matter how many innocents they killed. So they kept doing it for the money and the LOLs. And now Suddenly nobody has sympathy for them and they're shocked and they're dying and it is entirely their fault. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 5 hours ago, carepov said: Agreed. They should have accepted one of the many peace deals instead of continually trying to drive jews into the sea. Well, I don’t think their perception of the ‘many peace deals’ is the same as yours. Also bear in mind the massive influx of European refugees since 1920. They were minding their own business back then. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 Trump and Rubio are entirely driven by domestic US politics here. Pushing a Netanyahu-approved plan for Gaza is good for them in Florida. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 9 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Well, I don’t think their perception of the ‘many peace deals’ is the same as yours. Also bear in mind the massive influx of European refugees since 1920. They were minding their own business back then. Maybe they need a new perception. My family was driven out of Europe about the same time. Many family members dead, horrible hardship. lost all their land. So we and everyone else who suffered had a choice - start a new life and live in peace or throw away our future trying to go back and fight something we can't win and watch all of the family die or suffer all over again. They made the right choice, we've prospered and thrived in Canada and done very well for ourselves. The palestinians seem to want to make another choice, and continue to die and live in misery and poverty. If that was the only choice and they had no other they'd have my sympathy. But they do have other choices. So their current living conditions are their choice, not anyone else's fault. They COULD do things differently. they could have peace if they wanted. They could prosper if they wanted. Within the borders of israel or elsewhere. If this is what they choose then fine, that's their choice. But don't expect me to feel bad about the consequences of their choice. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So we and everyone else who suffered had a choice - start a new life and live in peace or throw away our future trying to go back and fight something we can't win and watch all of the family die or suffer all over again. Meanwhile Canada refused European Jewish refugees. One more Jew was one to many according to the Canadian SC Justice who wrote the Palestinian Partition plan for the UN. 9 minutes ago, CdnFox said: If this is what they choose then fine, that's their choice. But don't expect me to feel bad about the consequences of their choice. Jewish refugees and Palestinians were not given any choices just more consequences of being unwanted and or unacknowledged by the bigoted big powers of the day. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 11 hours ago, CdnFox said: They are 100% to blame for the fact that there's no peace in the west bank. If they wanted peace they could have had it. Sure, they just need to submit to Israeli theft, subjugation and oppression and get out. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Venandi Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: If that was the only choice and they had no other they'd have my sympathy. It's sad because even now it's not too late, they can still have peace any time they want it. I just don't see a path ahead with Hamas at the helm. Israel needs a willing partner to make it work and that partner is conspicuously AWOL. I don't know how you negotiate with an antagonist who has, as their primary objective, your destruction as a nation and the annihilation of your people. Perhaps one of the resident wisemen here can offer a viable method of achieving it between the duh's and LMAO's normally on offer. The murderous neighbour analogy I've often used to simplify the scenario for people who've never been there always seems to draw a blank.... most shrug and say they would move. I also have doubts about a two state solution now even if Hamas is eradicated, I can't help but wonder what kind of monsters would be in line to replace them? I had the same concern while deployed on OUP Libya... Sudan was another disappointment. Some antagonists, seemingly by nature, are willing (anxious even) to fight themselves to a complete standstill, regroup, rearm and pickup right where they left off at the very first opportunity they have to do so. And without the slightest regard for the welfare of the people they pretend to represent. In the absence of blue hats from skiing nations how do you broker a lasting peace deal with folks like that? It seems only people with 3 ex wives who are estranged from their parents have the answer. The people here who previously (and gleefully) parroted "choices have consequences" now need to put some meat in the peace sandwich. Even though there's a Nobel Peace Prize here for the taking, they simply can't move beyond historical events rendered irrelevant by time and circumstance. Personally, while awaiting the profound wisdom of Herb, Doggiedoo and Roboduh, I would continue with the eradication of Hamas as a governing entity. All IMO of course. Edited February 17 by Venandi Quote
carepov Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Sure, they just need to submit to Israeli theft, subjugation and oppression and get out. How did that map look from 1948-1967? I wonder why no Palestinian state was created then? Quote
ironstone Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
eyeball Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 24 minutes ago, carepov said: How did that map look from 1948-1967? I wonder why no Palestinian state was created then? Who cares, isn't what's happening now enough to know its still just as wrong? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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